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It frequently leads to a better story. Also, it's entirely possible to never have any of the actual wrong-goings you mentioned go wrong, due to your own choices. Also, Morrigan is the only one the Warden can actually stay with in the end.
This is if you assume that the warden would still be with Morrigan now. I think that is unlikely. Otherwise it'd be exactly as "stay with in end" as all the other romances.
You're not getting my point. Why did the writers make Cass straight? I have no idea, but the reason could be as simple as "they felt like it". The same goes for Sera, Dorian, and Cullen. Now you may think that reason is stupid, but I repeat that as a writer myself I'm not able to change my characters' orientation even if I try. And my reason for giving them that orientation in the first place is as simple as "it just seems right".
Now, you may find that reason silly, but a writer's relationship with their characters doesn't have all that much in common with how the fans relate to other people's characters. You can say "But why don't you make him straight? It would be really easy!". But I can't. I mean I literally can't. At that point those characters are very close to being real to me. Wouldn't you say changing a person's orientation is shady? It would just feel wrong.
I think we all could use a reminder that fictional characters are property of the author first, not the fans. No matter how badly we may want to play with them, they're not ours and we don't get to make the call. If you really can't help it, well, there's always fanfiction. Or original fiction, if you feel like going and making your own.
In short, don't tell a writer what to do with their toys, will you?
Oh so much this, I wish everyone could just read and understand this, when you create something, it's yours to do with as you please. If you paint a picture, it would be unthinkable if someone walked into your studio and changed it because they don't like it. I'm a bit tired, but this is something that I've been thinking about and trying to express for a while now, I still don't have it down, but you explained so perfectly here.
This is if you assume that the warden would still be with Morrigan now. I think that is unlikely. Otherwise it'd be exactly as "stay with in end" as all the other romances.
Atleast its been confirmed that Leliana is still in a relationship with the warden in DA:I 
I've never understood the "plot-centric" arguments at all, and I never will.
Bioware made the characters and their orientations first then chose the LI's later. They didn't deliberately choose to make the most "plot-centric" character straight, they just decided that Cassandra should be the one who came up with the idea of forming the Inquisition and she just happened to be straight.
Considering that she's been around for quite awhile I wouldn't be surprised if she's been written as a straight character since the scrapped Dragon Age 2 expansion, Dawn of the Seeker, or even Dragon Age 2 itself.
Indeed i don't choose LI's or my character's usual travelling companions by order of some invisible subjective measure of their plot importance.
Oh so much this, I wish everyone could just read and understand this, when you create something, it's yours to do with as you please. You paint a picture, it would be unthinkable if someone walked into your studio and changed it because they don't like it. I'm a bit tired, but this is something that I've been thinking about and trying to express for a while now, I still don't have it down, but you explained so perfectly here.
It's basically different version of argument that is used to explain for example why overwhelming majority of games don't have female playable characters: "you don't like it, make your own game!"
Oh dear. Does this mean Cassandra is gonna break our hearts?
She is a Gaider's romance. Have people already forgot that this mean?
She is a Gaider's romance. Have people already forgot that this mean?
Lots of rainbows and happiness, right? 
Lots of rainbows and happiness, right?
Yes, for David Gaider as he reaps his harvest of tears.
It's basically different version of argument that is used to explain for example why overwhelming majority of games don't have female playable characters: "you don't like it, make your own game!"
You can't force people to make something they don't want to. You're better off asking someone else to do it, or yes, doing it yourself.
Most video game developers (or rather, the people who call the shots) are straight white males with no investment in diversity, representation, or innovation who are unwilling to take risks, less they end up losing bucks. Sad? Yes, but it's unlikely you'll get those people to change their ways.
Oh so much this, I wish everyone could just read and understand this, when you create something, it's yours to do with as you please. You paint a picture, it would be unthinkable if someone walked into your studio and changed it because they don't like it. I'm a bit tired, but this is something that I've been thinking about and trying to express for a while now, I still don't have it down, but you explained so perfectly here.
Agreed. Yes, I do think these discussions re: sexual orientation/gender roles/inclusiveness are really important to have, but when I see people pointing at the writers and saying they did something wrong because you don't like it comes across as rude and entitled. I mean, I was disappointed when Dorian was gay, because I would have loved to have him as a romance. Same goes for Cass, to a lesser degree... but I don't question the writers for taking them in that direction and I know I will love them regardless. Same goes for Solas - my favorite character based on the info we have so far. I would love for him to be a romance option, but if for whatever reason Patrick Weekes decided it didn't fit his story arc than so be it. I'll be disappointed, sure, but I'm sure I'll still love Solas and look forward to meeting him in the game.
Again, not that we shouldn't have these conversations, as I think it's important to question media representations of real life groups, and how they often cater to the privileged majority. Doesn't mean we should accuse writers of making a mistake when their character doesn't fit with your desire. Especially when Bioware seems to be trying so much harder than most in this respect.
Agreed. Yes, I do think these discussions re: sexual orientation/gender roles/inclusiveness are really important to have, but when I see people pointing at the writers and saying they did something wrong because you don't like it comes across as rude and entitled. I mean, I was disappointed when Dorian was gay, because I would have loved to have him as a romance. Same goes for Cass, to a lesser degree... but I don't question the writers for taking them in that direction and I know I will love them regardless. Same goes for Solas - my favorite character based on the info we have so far. I would love for him to be a romance option, but if for whatever reason Patrick Weeks decided it didn't fit his story arc than so be it. I'll be disappointed, sure, but I'm sure I'll still love Solas and look forward to meeting him in the game.
Again,, not that we shouldn't have these conversations, as I think it's important to question media representations of real life groups, and how they often cater to the privileged majority. Doesn't mean we should accuse writers of making a mistake when their character doesn't fit with your desire. Especially when Bioware seems to be trying so much harder than most in this respect.
Bioware is the only writer some of us bother to criticize because they're the only ones who might possibly listen to it, ever.
You can't force people to make something they don't want to. You're better off asking someone else to do it, or yes, doing it yourself.
Most video game developers (or rather, the people who call the shots) are straight white males with no investment in diversity, representation, or innovation who are unwilling to take risks, less they end up losing bucks. Sad? Yes, but it's unlikely you'll get those people to change their ways.
Hmm, looking at the fact that situation actually improves, your claims seem to be direct opposite of what actually happens. It gets better largely due to the fact that people became more vocal about it, and companies don't want to risk getting bad public image.
And because of more exposure to this kind of issues, people's views change too. Remember that situation with those ridiculous excuses about Assassin's Creed? Lots of white straigth men from gaming industry called it out.
I want a same-sex relationship to be important to the plot because I'm gay and it's something I rarely see. For most of the games I play, books I read, and movies I watch, the important romances are straight.
this.
I like how criticizing, questioning, or even expressing regret about a developer's decision is akin to walking into a painter's studio and tossing a bucket of paint on their latest work.
That's not what I'm arguing. It's the implication that the writers need to justify their choice of orientation for their characters what I find problematic. Or the idea that authors should pander to their audience rather than make their own creative choices.
There are people who don't seem to have any sort of respect or understanding for an author's creative agency, and act like everything in the game should be made to pander to them. Straight white males are the demographic most guilty of this kind of attitude, but they are hardly the only ones.
Hmm, looking at the fact that situation actually improves, your claims seem to be direct opposite of what actually happens. It gets better largely due to the fact that people became more vocal about it, and companies don't want to risk getting bad public image.
And because of more exposure to this kind of issues, people's views change too. Remember that situation with those ridiculous excuses about Assassin's Creed? Lots of white straigth men from gaming industry called it out.
Yes, there are straight white men who want change, but my point is that even if you managed to forced the ones that weren't interested in innovation initially, their job is still going to be subpar and aiming at the lowest common denominator. You shouldn't be trying to make the people who make these calls more progressive. You will probably get better results by having the more progressive people make the calls.
That's not what I'm arguing. It's the implication that the writers need to justify their choice of orientation for their characters what I find problematic. Or the idea that authors should pander to their audience rather than make their own creative choices.
There are people who don't seem to have any sort of respect or understanding for an author's creative agency, and act like everything in the game should be made to pander to them. Straight white males are the demographic most guilty of this kind of attitude, but they are hardly the only ones.
They don't need to justify the orientation, that was never an issue. What was issue since the beginning is unfair treatment. Maria already explained the problem with those romances in DAO. As for DAI, we don't know yet how will it look like, I only shared my concerns that it seems like it could possibly be repeat of DAO treatment.
Yes, there are straight white men who want change, but my point is that even if you managed to forced the ones that weren't interested in innovation initially, their job is still going to be subpar and aiming at the lowest common denominator. You shouldn't be trying to make the people who make these calls more progressive. You will probably get better results by having the more progressive people make the calls.
Yep, so "make your own game!". This kind of argument somehow is always used only in defense of status quo, so I don't see it as anything else than trying to prevent people from asking questions and provoking actual change, but doing it in polite manner. I'm sure we would be in the same place as 15 years ago if we followed your advices.
Bioware is the only writer some of us bother to criticize because they're the only ones who might possibly listen to it, ever.
Well yes... If, as some have speculated, my only choices as a straight female are Cullen, Iron Bull, or Blackwall... I will absolutely criticize the sudden move on Bioware's part to only give me three big beefy rugged warrior types to choose from. Because there are so few games that are willing to even recognize straight women as an important demographic, it's important female players speak out and tell Bioware if we want more variety. So, I do get it. But I also think it's just as bad to criticize Gaider for writing Cass as straight as it is to criticize Sera's writer for making her a lesbian. Also, it's a bit too early to criticize at all, since we don't yet know how integral Josephine will be to the plot, nor do we even know whether Viv will be a romance.
How do you know Dorian an Sera are not inportant to the plot. People are just jumping the gun and saying ow cass is inportant no one else play the game first before you start useing the inportant romance card. Will cass be yeah but she not the only one.
Yep, so "make your own game!". This kind of argument somehow is always used only in defense of status quo, so I don't see it as anything else than trying to prevent people from asking questions and provoking actual change, but doing it in polite manner. I'm sure we would be in the same place as 15 years ago if we followed your advices.
*Facepalm*
You're getting it wrong. I'm not telling you to change your approach, I'm telling you it's not working for the reason you think it is. You're not turning misogynists into progressive innovators, you're making the latter come out of the dark.
The last two Bioware games both had "plot-centric" female leads that were available to female players, so in my opinion it's the most flimsy non-issue I've heard in a while. Even if Cassandra is slightly more prominent plot wise than Sera and Josephine (which I doubt she is) it doesn't impact anything.
How do you know Dorian an Sera are not inportant to the plot. People are just jumping the gun and saying ow cass is inportant no one else play the game first before you start useing the inportant romance card. Will cass be yeah but she not the only one.
She is the first one that you meet, and she pulls the inquisition together. It would be very weird if she wasn't central to the plot.
When it comes to exposure she is also the general postergirl for the game, then it appears to be Vivienne in second and then it is fairly even between Iron Bull, Morrigan and Varric for third.
It'll be interesting how they'll go with the marketing from now that they've released all the companions and advisors.
Atleast its been confirmed that Leliana is still in a relationship with the warden in DA:I
This is indeed good news. Source pls?
Well yes... If, as some have speculated, my only choices as a straight female are Cullen, Iron Bull, or Blackwall... I will absolutely criticize the sudden move on Bioware's part to only give me three big beefy rugged warrior types to choose from.
To be fair, they have very little in common personality-wise.
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