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[Sporothrix]

How do you know Dorian an Sera are not inportant to the plot. People are just jumping the gun and saying ow cass is inportant no one else play the game first before you start useing the inportant romance card. Will cass be yeah but she not the only one.

 

It originally started with discussion if straigth people having more options only for themselves would be OK. Many current naysayers didn't find any problem in it. I don't know how will it look like in the end, just pointed out how it looks like as for now:

 

"Cassandra was in previous game, holds very important position in game's world, seems to be tied to game's narrative, had her own movie and narrated trailer for DAI. Meanwhile, Sera had funny banter and possibly dropped dead in demo. And I've read people saying that she will be probably like Leliana in DAO - you could miss her entirely, and her absence wouldn't make much difference."

[Milan92]

This is indeed good news. Source pls?

 

I always suck at sources I don't got one nearby, but I believe it was stated by Allan.

[Rane7685]

http://www.gamespot....f/1100-6421060/

 

Just watched that. I love this new Leliana.. I never wanted to romance the DA:O Leliana but wouldve loved to romance the DA:I one She's amazing, so upset

[Xilizhra]

Well yes... If, as some have speculated, my only choices as a straight female are Cullen, Iron Bull, or Blackwall... I will absolutely criticize the sudden move on Bioware's part to only give me three big beefy rugged warrior types to choose from.  Because there are so few games that are willing to even recognize straight women as an important demographic, it's important female players speak out and tell Bioware if we want more variety.  So, I do get it.  But I also think it's just as bad to criticize Gaider for writing Cass as straight as it is to criticize Sera's writer for making her a lesbian.  Also, it's a bit too early to criticize at all, since we don't yet know how integral Josephine will be to the plot, nor do we even know whether Viv will be a romance.

I think it was a bad idea to make Cassandra straight, but I won't actually attack Bioware unless they do a 5/3 split. I will then be utterly enraged.

[Reznore57]

For now I'm way more interested in the gay romances.

Dorian and Sera are really cool .

Cullen and Cassandra are a big no no for me.They left me cold.

Josephine seems nice but I like a bit of crazy.

 

About plot relevance for gay romances , yeah in DAO ...straight romances got the spotlight.

I'll wait and see , I feel like Cassandra is going to be important but Cullen not so much.

Anyway Cassandra and the advisors are among the less interesting for me so far, so if the plot keep shoving them in my face , I'm going to be a sad panda no matter what.

[Maria Caliban]

That's not what I'm arguing. It's the implication that the writers need to justify their choice of orientation for their characters what I find problematic.

David will talk about Cassandra's sexuality sooner or later. He's done so for most of his characters as well as given his general thoughts on sexual orientation, diversity, and how that applies to BioWare games*. David, despite his grumbling, enjoys talking. We know that he made her straight because he has a specific story he wants to tell and this is true for Dorian as well. I feel very comfortable asking him what that is.

It's better to wait until after the game is out to engage the writers in these issues, but that didn't stop me in the Sera thread when it came to Luke (a man) writing Sera (a lesbian.) No, he didn't have to respond to me and perhaps he regrets doing so, but I respect that he did so.

If Xil wants to express her displeasure in the Cassandra thread and say she wants justification, I’m fine with that. David knows as much as anyone else why people are reacting as they do.
 

There are people who don't seem to have any sort of respect or understanding for an author's creative agency…

I have no respect for creative agency. Though I do understand it.

There are ten thousand decisions made in the kitchen, but ultimately, all that matters is what’s on my plate. If I like it, I’ll praise it. If I don’t like it, I’ll criticize it.

I spend a lot of time praising BioWare, or else I wouldn’t be here. The problem with a dedicate fan though is that they’re just as dedicated with the things they’re unhappy about as what pleases them.
 

http://www.gamespot....f/1100-6421060/

Just watched that. I love this new Leliana.. I never wanted to romance the DA:O Leliana but wouldve loved to romance the DA:I one She's amazing, so upset

I love them both, and I agree she's amazing.

*Sheryl has also talked about Leliana, which was interesting. Mary seems tight-lipped, but I think she enjoys watching people attempt to tackle the character on their own.

[The Elder King]

For now I'm way more interested in the gay romances.
Dorian and Sera are really cool .
Cullen and Cassandra are a big no no for me.They left me cold.
Josephine seems nice but I like a bit of crazy.
 
About plot relevance for gay romances , yeah in DAO ...straight romances got the spotlight.
I'll wait and see , I feel like Cassandra is going to be important but Cullen not so much.
Anyway Cassandra and the advisors are among the less interesting for me so far, so if the plot keep shoving them in my face , I'm going to be a sad panda no matter what.

I think they'll have major plots in the game and that they're more revelant then companions in the Inquisition. Plus, at least for a major plot (Empris du Lion) it seems you'll be forced to use the army, so Cullen might have a big role in it.

[Reznore57]

I think they'll have major plots in the game and that they're more revelant then companions in the Inquisition. Plus, at least for a major plot (Empris du Lion) it seems you'll be forced to use the army, so Cullen might have a big role in it.

 

I hope not...I mean I know everyone has different tastes...But the companions : we have a spirit , a ex Ben hassrath , a magister from Tevinter , a elf who liked to spend his days in the fade , a rogue city elf , a dwarf story teller , a very proud and ambitious First Enchanter etc...

 

I feel the advisors are pretty vanilla compared to that.

I don't expect any culture shock from the advisors , ...or even being surprised by some secret agenda.

[The Elder King]

I hope not...I mean I know everyone has different tastes...But the companions : we have a spirit , a ex Ben hassrath , a magister from Tevinter , a elf who liked to spend his days in the fade , a rogue city elf , a dwarf story teller , a very proud and ambitious First Enchanter etc...
 
I feel the advisors are pretty vanilla compared to that.
I don't expect any culture shock from the advisors , ...or even being surprised by some secret agenda.

How is interest in characters relevant to their relevance in the game?

[godModeAlpha]

http://www.gamespot....f/1100-6421060/
 
Just watched that. I love this new Leliana.. I never wanted to romance the DA:O Leliana but wouldve loved to romance the DA:I one She's amazing, so upset

Worth playing DAO again just for Leliana romance. She's a gem

[Neesa]

I can't help feeling bothered by the way people seem to have equated plot relevant characters to plot important romances. There are no plot important romances as of now. Just characters who play a significant role in the story who just happen to also be love interests.

[Rane7685]

Worth playing DAO again just for Leliana romance. She's a gem

Oh I never said I didnt I just never really wanted to lol. I played DA:O about 5 times so I tried that romance out but I never really gravitated to her. In DA:O I frankly wanted to meet the Leliana she spoke of in the past as opposed to the upbeat, devout (and a tad naive) Leliana that we got (not that there's anything wrong with that its just not my cup of tea). This DA:I one seems to be a new ground. Its a darker, brutal Leliana but she has still retained a devotion to the Maker. She is far more attractive to me here

[The Elder King]

I can't help feeling bothered by the way people seem to have equated plot relevant characters to plot important romances. There are no plot important romances as of now. Just characters who play a significant role in the story who just happen to also be love interests.

As far as I know people were just saying that plot relevant characters are straight, not that there are plot relevant romances.

[Deviija]

Name that movie reference.

 

Dirty Dancing.  Aw yis.  

 

You touched on something that I was thinking of during the discussion: video games are an interactive medium, but in particular choice-driven RPGs such as BioWare titles are intricately interactive with a variety of choices left to a player.  This isn't like novels or creative writing endeavors that rely solely on one person's vision and a set character, set narrative, set everything based entirely upon a writer's vision.  These games rely on player input and a variety of categories and choices offered for people to pick through.  It's not as simple as "a writer writes what they want/has whatever kind of character and orientation they want" because many decisions about the plot, characters, romances, etc features are decided upon by developers with choices and interactivity in mind.    

[godModeAlpha]

Oh I never said I didnt I just never really wanted to lol. I played DA:O about 5 times so I tried that romance out but I never really gravitated to her. In DA:O I frankly wanted to meet the Leliana she spoke of in the past as opposed to the upbeat, devout (and a tad naive) Leliana that we got (not that there's anything wrong with that its just not my cup of tea). This DA:I one seems to be a new ground. Its a darker, brutal Leliana but she has still retained a devotion to the Maker. She is far more attractive to me here

Fair enough. Seems she would have benefited from some loving in DAI, she could use it. I do hope we get a chance to cheer her up. I mean the way she shut Dorian up after her rescue, was out of character.

[Han Shot First]

I think it was a bad idea to make Cassandra straight, 

 

Why?

 

With Sera gay and Josephine bi, someone had to be the straight female LI. The choices there are between Vivienne and Cassandra, because there are only three female companions and two female advisers, and of those advisers one (Leliana) is not a LI at all.

 

And it is quite possible that Vivienne may not be a LI as well.

[Reznore57]

How is interest in characters relevant to their relevance in the game?

 Mostly because Cassandra/Leliana/Cullen/Josephine all have the same end goal.

They mostly agree with each others , they just disagree about the method and ****** about it behind closed door.

I don't want to play a game with 50 shades of this is how the Andrastian faith and humanity should act when there's lots of different culture and point of view in the party.

 

I don't know just reading the different interview from the writer I got the feeling there's much more potential for drama coming from the party members than the advisors.

[The Elder King]

Mostly because Cassandra/Leliana/Cullen/Josephine all have the same end goal.
They mostly agree with each others , they just disagree about the method and ****** about it behind closed door.
I don't want to play a game with 50 shades of this is how the Andrastian faith and humanity should act when there's lots of different culture and point of view in the party.
 
I don't know just reading the different interview from the writer I got the feeling there's much more potential for drama coming from the party members than the advisors.

I never said advisors have more potential for drama. I said that they're major characters with multi-region plots (according to what Laidlaw tweeted of cullen) and that for the Inquisition (the organization), they're more important then most of the companions, since they have leading positions in it and are advisors of the Inquisitor (with Cass possibly second in command).
My point is that they'll have a big role in the game. If bigger the companions, I don't know,.

[Herr Uhl]

Why?
 
With Sera gay and Josephine bi, someone had to be the straight female LI. The choices there are between Vivienne and Cassandra, because there are only three female companions and two female advisers, and of those advisers one (Leliana) is not a LI at all.
 
And it is quite possible that Vivienne may not be a LI as well.

They could have made Josephine straight though, for example. I doubt that the chronology of announcements had much to do with how they were chosen. It perhaps wasn't surprising, but it can still be disappointing.

And I think people are well within their rights to be disappointed with a decision that the devs make. I think the last batch of comics and books making Alistair even more special were a mistake, I think that trying to work in that a blood mage attacked the grand cathedral with dragons was a mistake and I also think that setting the game in Ferelden is a mistake. For example.

[Clockwork_Wings]

Leliana (although not a LI) and Cullen I daresay will be quite important to the plot.  Josephine, I'm not so sure.  Maybe there's subplot about boycotts and such, and we'll be sent to make allegiances purely for trade.

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

Soon...

[The Elder King]

Leliana (although not a LI) and Cullen I daresay will be quite important to the plot.  Josephine, I'm not so sure.  Maybe there's subplot about boycotts and such, and we'll be sent to make allegiances purely for trade.

She's not just a trade advisor. She's the head ambassador of the Inquisition, and she'll deal with politics as well.

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

Josephine is our campaign manager, Inquisitor for president.