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[HiroVoid]

I think either way it's still stating that the art team failed.  I think that going, "Oops, the Hawkes turned out a little weird after the CC," is different than, "I'm changing this character's face all together."  

 

While I'll admit that one is much worse than the other, and I'm sorry if I implied as such, it largely comes off as the same dismissal to me.

 

Don't get me wrong, I do use mods for the companions.  However, it's all been armor; adding a little pattern to Isabela's corset, giving Aveline some actual armor for the Lothering prologue, ect.  I just feel it's kinda wrong to mod their faces.

I'm a bit iffy with it if they look like something along the lines of their concept art, have long hair because some players are fine with the clipping issues it causes, or from cinematic trailers that look different from the games themselves for some reason.  Though mods for me in general are a case of 'It doesn't affect me, so I generally don't care' unless I personally use them.  Kinda like fanfiction or something.

[Grieving Natashina]

That's cool; to each his/her own ^^

 

I don't feel too bad criticizing (in a not-rude fashion) their appearances since they are being produced for commercial value... as a consumer I think it's totally okay to say "I don't really like this."

 

There are people who give Anders hair that more resembles his DAA hair, and they give him an earring, too. I don't think those people are fanatical jerks for doing that.

 

I'm a bit iffy with it if they look like something along the lines of their concept art, have long hair because some players are fine with the clipping issues it causes, or from cinematic trailers that look different from the games themselves for some reason.  Though mods for me in general are a case of 'It doesn't affect me, so I generally don't care' unless I personally use them.  Kinda like fanfiction or something.

 

 

No arguments there.  However, I've seen folks change everything about Anders' face.  Including one mod that's supposed to turn his face back to where it was in Awakening that looks way too Uncanny Valley for me (the eyes didn't quite synch up with the rest of the face when I checked it out on youtube.)  Even hair and the earring I'd let slide, it's just the face part that bothers me.

 

Agreed, to each their own as long as they are being respectful about it and not bashing the character on the forums.  

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Varric and Aveline were the first ones you pick up in DA2, so I wouldn't say that implies LI status.    

[MACharlie1]

My theory is that while things may skew unevenly for certain race/gender combos, everyone will still have at least two options, with human characters having All The Options since humans are the most common.  This means that there probably will not be two characters of the same gender who are race-gated, since it would probably result in one group getting only one option.  It also means that the remaining LIs are all bisexual.

 

My theory may be completely wrong.  It's just a theory.

 

Right, I'm pretty sure Vivienne is going to be an option so that there will be an even number of LIs for all genders/orientations.  Most likely she'll be bisexual, and she'll probably be race-gated due to her love of power (Cassandra being the first character to appear, she's unlikely to be race-gated).

 

As for the guys, I am thinking Iron Bull and a toss-up between the three others.

 

Varric - In his favor, he's probably the first male character we pick up.  Usually the first two are romances.  Against him, Iron Bull will almost certainly be race-gated, and Varric has expressed that he is not into humans.  He might even go so far as to be dwarf-only.  He's also probably straight, which would reduce options for gay/bisexual male characters.  Also against his favor, Cullen is already a confirmed romance returning from previous games.  Would they do two returning characters as romance, particularly when both are male?  Still, he's an option and there are likely people on the dev team who wanted it.

 

Blackwall - I don't really know much about him.  He seems to be mid- to late-40s, to me, but beards make men look older.  This is not too old for romance, contrary to some opinions, but what may work against him is that he reminds a whole lot of people of their fathers.  Still, that wouldn't stop the devs.  He's got a noble personality.  He might be too interested in doing good, and self-sacrifice, to do a romance.  Otherwise, really I have nothing for him and nothing against him.  No evidence either way besides the devs' "soon," which just as likely meant that players would know one way or another "soon," rather than that he will be a romance "soon."

 

Solas - The only male elf.  Elves have traditionally been romances in Dragon Age games, which may work against him rather than for him if they want to break the mold.  His VA was just announced, though this could easily have been to smooth things over for when he is NOT announced as a romance.  He is said to be "open-minded," which could lead into his being a bisexual romance, but with his focus on the Fade, he may be asexual or too busy to be a romance.  In his favor, his VA is apparently well known for playing a bisexual character on the show Torchwood.   This may or may not have had something to do with David Gaider's preference for that voice actor to play him.  And yet on the other hand, would Patrick Weekes have written two romances, assuming Iron Bull is one?

 

So yeah.  For me it's a tossup between the last three males, with Vivienne being all but a certainty.

Isn't Solas in his early to mid forties as well? 

[HiroVoid]

 

 

 

 

No arguments there.  However, I've seen folks change everything about Anders' face.  Including one mod that's supposed to turn his face back to where it was in Awakening that looks way too Uncanny Valley for me (the eyes didn't quite synch up with the rest of the face when I checked it out on youtube.)  Even hair and the earring I'd let slide, it's just the face part that bothers me.

 

Agreed, to each their own as long as they are being respectful about it and not bashing the character on the forums.  

 

Ironically, I actually don't care at all about Elder Scrolls when it comes to this at all since I always just figured it was a case of the devs giving the people a mod kit and saying 'Go nuts.'

 

And yeah.  Plenty of times when too much is changed it can get pretty 'fake' or uncanny.

[Chernaya]

I see modding is fine, as long as you aren't a meanie jerk about it, and go around yelling about how ugly a character is (because c'mon, you know that's gonna rile people up and it's not cool) ... just don't be a jerk about it. Many people are also happy with the original looks of characters. We all have different taste. 

[HiroVoid]

Isn't Solas in his early to mid forties as well? 

I believe that was confirmed.

[Brass_Buckles]

Isn't Solas in his early to mid forties as well? 

 

Yes, but he strikes me as being a little younger than Blackwall.  Cassandra is also most likely around 40 and she is an option.

 

Blackwall is probably mid-40s to early 50s.  Again, I do not think he's too old to romance, when the Inquisitor is confirmed as being as old as mid-40s as well.

[Phate Phoenix]

Isn't Solas in his early to mid forties as well? 

 

 Varric is forty, too.

[Felya87]

Isn't Solas in his early to mid forties as well? 

just a few years older than Varric and Cassandra, than.

[Brass_Buckles]

 Varric is forty, too.

 

Cassandra is likely nearing 40 if she isn't already at 40+.

 

Again.  Blackwall and Solas are neither too old for romance.

[CuriousArtemis]

Isn't Solas in his early to mid forties as well? 

 

Yep, which is a plus for all the older fans (LIs who could be in their 40s) but so often the perspective of the fan is presented as a young teenager or 20-something... My dad is in his 60s, for example, so there's no way Blackwall looks like my dad. Just shows you how perspective can be skewed when focusing on one demographic.

[HiroVoid]

I see modding is fine, as long as you aren't a meanie jerk about it, and go around yelling about how ugly a character is (because c'mon, you know that's gonna rile people up and it's not cool) ... just don't be a jerk about it. Many people are also happy with the original looks of characters. We all have different taste. 

That's generally how I go about it.  I generally like the immersion mod for DA:O that does stuff like changing armor to reflect rank, add ambient npcs.  I also try the mod that overhauls how a lot of npcs look to try and give them more details in the face or if you thought a face looked uncanny in the original, changing it around a bit.

 

My favorite though are always the self-contained quest mods that you can access.  Quest mods during the campaign can be good, but they often just make the adventure seem too long or drag on imo.

[Vegeta 77]

 Varric is forty, too.

I think varric is in his late 30.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I've always played console games, and even then not many, so I never have much of an opinion about modding. It always feels weird to me. Like, it's "not real". I mean, you probably can't pass on this world state, so it doesn't seem worth it. I see people say it about romance gates often, that someone will probably mod it. To me, it just wouldn't ever be worth it if it wasn't a real part of the game. It's hard to explain. Maybe if I'd been playing computer games for as long as a lot of people have, it would seem more natural. I don't know. 

[cjones91]

Yeah, people think too much like consumers in this respect.. but that's only half the story. It's also art and entertainment. Stay in your own ****** space, as an audience. You can dislike art, but you can't change it. Just like someone said above about being a poet. If someone told me how to play my guitar, I'd be tempted to use my guitar as a weapon.

 

It seems like people who say these things have never created a damn thing in their lives. Else they'd understand this already.

That part is definitely not true,art is not static and many artists throughout history and even now alter their art for several reasons.

[Grieving Natashina]

Cassandra is likely nearing 40 if she isn't already at 40+.

 

Again.  Blackwall and Solas are neither too old for romance.

Agreed.  As I've said before, once the game hits, I don't think anyone is going to be that concerned about the age of the companions.  

[LiaraShepard]

I think it's nice to have older romance options as well.

[Brass_Buckles]

That part is definitely not true,art is not static and many artists throughout history and even now alter their art for several reasons.

 

I think it's an opinion that's formed by today's society that somehow art is sacred and must remain exactly as the artist created it.

 

But writing is edited, yes, even poetry.  You publish a book, expect to have your editor tear it apart.

 

In the past, artists had patrons and if they didn't please the patron, they had to change the art.  Drapery may need to be painted over nudes, for instance.  Nobles who weren't pleased with their facial features could request that they be repainted.  Etc.

 

Even now it is certainly possible for the original artist to revisit a work, and it's even more true today when plenty of artists work entirely from their computers--because it's easier to edit your artwork on a computer when you see something you want to change, than it is to rework an oil painting that has long dried.

[HiroVoid]

I've always played console games, and even then not many, so I never have much of an opinion about modding. It always feels weird to me. Like, it's "not real". I mean, you probably can't pass on this world state, so it doesn't seem worth it. I see people say it about romance gates often, that someone will probably mod it. To me, it just wouldn't ever be worth it if it wasn't a real part of the game. It's hard to explain. Maybe if I'd been playing computer games for as long as a lot of people have, it would seem more natural. I don't know. 

There was actually a big thread about one user who didn't like the idea of the keep because with modding, it recognized that his pc was both male and married to alistair as a king, but it obviously wouldn't be recognized in the keep.  Of course, that's how modding goes in that nothing is canon though that doesn't really matter much with immersion mods, texture mods, gameplay mods, etc.  Alot about it is about enjoying it in that game no matter whether its canon or not when it comes to actual story altering mods, or quest mods that would obviously never happen.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I think it's just a perspective thing with the age issue. Cassandra, Varric and Solas all look like they're in their early-mid 30s, to me. Blackwall looks closer to 60, to me. The problem, for me, isn't how old he is, it's how old he looks. There are a lot of actors and actresses that look great at 40 and some of our companions look great at that age, too. For me, though, Blackwall is not one. Of course, I acknowledge that's totally my personal opinion. I've seen people say they thought Solas looked way older than he is, too. It's just a weird perception thing, I guess. 

[cjones91]

I think it's an opinion that's formed by today's society that somehow art is sacred and must remain exactly as the artist created it.

 

But writing is edited, yes, even poetry.  You publish a book, expect to have your editor tear it apart.

 

In the past, artists had patrons and if they didn't please the patron, they had to change the art.  Drapery may need to be painted over nudes, for instance.  Nobles who weren't pleased with their facial features could request that they be repainted.  Etc.

 

Even now it is certainly possible for the original artist to revisit a work, and it's even more true today when plenty of artists work entirely from their computers--because it's easier to edit your artwork on a computer when you see something you want to change, than it is to rework an oil painting that has long dried.

Agreed,as a character artist I altered my character designs from time to time based on feedback.If a artist or writer just keeps to the same style over and over again then they will never improve.

 

So yeah I dislike the "Art is sacred and can't be changed period!" argument both as a inspiring character artist and as a writer.

[cjones91]

I think it's just a perspective thing with the age issue. Cassandra, Varric and Solas all look like they're in their early-mid 30s, to me. Blackwall looks closer to 60, to me. The problem, for me, isn't how old he is, it's how old he looks. There are a lot of actors and actresses that look great at 40 and some of our companions look great at that age, too. For me, though, Blackwall is not one. Of course, I acknowledge that's totally my personal opinion. I've seen people say they thought Solas looked way older than he is, too. It's just a weird perception thing, I guess. 

Blackwall was a Warden-Constable ever since the Fourth Blight and knowing Grey Warden hiearchy those positions are probaly reserved for the most seasoned of Wardens.

 

So add it all up and Blackwall might be in the late forties to early fifties range.Personally I love companions that are old and experienced because they often have stories and advice if the player asks them.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Blackwall was a Warden-Constable ever since the Fourth Blight and knowing Grey Warden hiearchy those positions are probaly reserved for the most seasoned of Wardens.

 

So add it all up and Blackwall might be in the late forties to early fifties range.Personally I love companions that are old and experienced because they often have stories and advice if the player asks them.

I like older companions, in a general sense. I really like Blackwall's character and I'm excited to get to know him and pick his brain for information on the wardens.

 

That being said, I have no interest in romancing him. I don't expect him to be excluded based solely on my own taste, though.