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[AresKeith]

If she's that concerned about what these nobles think, how will she be useful when we may need to make some hard decisions about them? Why should she be kept in the Inquisition at all?

 

Because she's in it to stop the veil tears, not just to romance? 

[Vapaa]

Well, you were right about IB, so maybe I should defer to your judgment. lol

 

I just wonder why IB was such a priority over the others to leave ungated. I guess they just really wanted his pansexuality to be characterized and the gated ones are not so much. 

 

I think IB's characterization came first, and that the "fun loving sleeps with everyone" was so engraved in his characters that they say "it's just not going to work if he's gated" (in the sense that it would create a incoherence with his characterization as omnisexual). It's possible that in compensation they gated a character that didn't have such emphasis on their sexual behavior so that it would be a enough of a blank state, which wasn't the case with IB.

 

Going full hypothetical here, but IB's omnisexuality was mentioned as early as his character profile, so I think it's a big enough deal.

[HiroVoid]

Alistair is perfectly willing to be with an elf or dwarf at the end if he's not King.

The comparison's due to calling Vivienne racist if she doesn't want to be with another race for similar reasons.  Though yeah.  As many pointed out, you would think the Inquisitior's status would be above that.

[Xilizhra]

Because she's in it to stop the veil tears, not just to romance? 

No, I mean that she might be a liability if she lets concerns about her status dictate decisions we need to make about Orlais.

[javeart]

Alistair is perfectly willing to be with an elf or dwarf at the end if he's not King.

 

well, iif Vivienne was in his place she migh too. Except she really wants to be queen  . (or not, but seems believable)

[syllogi]

So is Alistair racist for not waiting to be with an elf or dwarf in the end?

 

Alistair doesn't dump an elf or a dwarf if he stays in the Grey Wardens, he dumps them as king because he thinks a elf or dwarf consort would never be accepted.  He'll even be persuaded to keep an elf or dwarf mistress.  So it's either realism or cowardice, but I don't know if it's exactly racist.

[Sylvianus]

For the male Lis, I'm thinking Solas ungated. Cullen might be racegated.

 

I don't see Varric bisexual. ( It didn't happen for Cullen, It didn't happen for Cassandra, It may not happen for him too ) 

[The Elder King]

If she's that concerned about what these nobles think, how will she be useful when we may need to make some hard decisions about them? Why should she be kept in the Inquisition at all?

Well, you Can probably send her away.
Though I was clarifying on her status being related to Orlais and not the Circle. I'm not saying this will be the reason she's (if she's. I don't want the straight/homosexual to be race-gated, but we can't be sure of it) race gated.

[In Exile]

It's during the Merrill romance.  At one point, in front of Merrill, you can flirt with Varric.  He'll tell Hawke that he's not into humans.  I didn't know about it myself until a few months ago.

 

That might not mean he doesn't like humans. Keep in mind Varric really cares for Merrill as a kind of little sister. It might be his WTF, Hawke? moment. 

[Herr Uhl]

If she's that concerned about what these nobles think, how will she be useful when we may need to make some hard decisions about them? Why should she be kept in the Inquisition at all?

 

You'd probably want to get rid of her anyways, since she is a circle loyalist.

[Tenebrae]

When one considers the setting racism is a valid reason for gating,  one i hardly see as an issue.

 

Fits Lore=Valid reason, Personnel real life issues with said gating reason is hardly a relevant reason to dislike the character.

 

There are other romance options if it offends your current character or for some odd reason yourself.

[HiroVoid]

No, I mean that she might be a liability if she lets concerns about her status dictate decisions we need to make about Orlais.

And that may be a point where she leaves.  Leliana and Wynne leave if you try to destroy the ashes.  Alistair leaves if you don't kill Loghain.  Shale leaves if you don't side with Caridin.  Plenty of Dragon Age companions leave or fight you if you make certain decisions.  I doubt Vivienne (even if she) will be the only one to leave depending on choices you make.

[Vapaa]

There is nothing wrong with not being attracted to people for things like that though. I know a white guy who isn't attracted to white girls. (Not me personally , but I don't think it's racist), simply because he doesn't think white girls are attractive.

 

That's a perfect reason for not being attracted, but claiming trauma at the hands of social group X or social stigma against group Y is not a reason I want to see in a video game made by people who care about the depth of the characterization.

[Tenebrae]

No, I mean that she might be a liability if she lets concerns about her status dictate decisions we need to make about Orlais.

 

There we agree, if she becomes a liability by putting her own goals ahead of my character's/inquisition goals then she would have to go.

 

Division is death.

[Xilizhra]

And that may be a point where she leaves.  Leliana and Wynne leave if you try to destroy the ashes.  Alistair leaves if you don't kill Loghain.  Shale leaves if you don't side with Caridin.  Plenty of Dragon Age companions leave or fight you if you make certain decisions.  I doubt Vivienne (even if she) will be the only one to leave depending on choices you make.

Perhaps. Though at least that barely happened at all in DA2, and I was hoping to be able to keep everyone... and I just don't want Vivienne's loyalties to be so divided.

[Eveangaline]

I don't see a problem with Viv not being willing to compromise her status by romancing a non-human. As a mage her status is pretty risky all the time. I see that as not racism on her part but the fact that she isn't willing to give up her ambition for love. If they have it just be her saying she's not into the other races that's a little iffy but her putting her status above romance makes perfect sense.

[Mihura]

I made that point because how elven lovers are seems in Orlais. The same goes for Alistair if he is King and for political reasons he discriminate against them too.

[90s Luke]

No, I mean that she might be a liability if she lets concerns about her status dictate decisions we need to make about Orlais.

 

 Aren't all of the companions potential liabilities?

[Milan92]

I'm actually warming up to the idea that Solas is gated against dwarves because they can't dream.

"They see me dreamin, they hatin."

[cjones91]

Um guys...?Can we get back to cheering for the fact that IB is confirmed as a LI?

[HiroVoid]

There we agree, if she becomes a liability by putting her own goals ahead of my character's/inquisition goals then she would have to go.

 

Division is death.

And here I was taught diversity was supposed to be embraced.

[Tenebrae]

That's a perfect reason for not being attracted, but claiming trauma at the hands of social group X or social stigma against group Y is not a reason I want to see in a video game made by people who care about the depth of the characterization.

 

But its a valid reason, whether we personally dislike it is irreverent if it fits the setting/lore.

 

Would i be attracted to such a person in real life? no, but one of my varied characters might.

[Faerlyte]

Racegating is lame. I'm sure the way it will be carried out in game won't look as bad as it sounds. If, for example, you were allowed to flirt with those characters that are racegated and they were to inform you that they weren't interested because you were the wrong race, well then that looks bad. But I suspect the option will never present itself with those characters so it will be as if they were never romanceable in the first place. 

 

That would be the proper way to do it. 

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

It waasnt my internet that ran out, it was the freaking baterry. Anyway, IRON BULL FOR EVERYONE

[sandalisthemaker]

Um guys...?Can we get back to cheering for the fact that IB is confirmed as a LI?

 

No, we already knew he'd be. His non-race gatedness is the news that has thrown the forums into madness.  Again.  Just like the devs wanted.