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[Grieving Natashina]

 

 

As much as I like Varric I am against him being a LI. It would be terribly unfair to steal him from Bianca and I know from personal experience how horrible it is when some girl jumps into your life takes your crush/love from you and leaves you with nothing but pain and misery. I would never allow my characters to become such a monster

 

 

 

Yes, but after ~11 years of no physical contact?  Not a message, not a word?  They've hinted in the EU that both Varric and Bianca have had Carta connections at some point in their past.  It's not like she didn't know where to find him.  He was living in Kirkwall for at least 7 years, and it's not like he would have been too hard to find.  She couldn't have sent word? 

 

 I'm sorry, but at this point I don't see a Varric romance as "unfair to Bianca."  Unless Inquisition reveals something about her we didn't know, I don't think it's unfair.   A 40 year old shouldn't be that seriously hung up on someone after so long.  It's time that he lets that go.  In DA2, I do agree.  We don't know how long it was since she was "lost" to him before the events of Act 1.  Holding onto Bianca's memory like that made sense at the time.  

 

It doesn't fly with me anymore.  I can even come up with some plausible reasons why he might not be a LI.  However, Bianca the dwarf or the crossbow, is not on the my list of reasons why. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

The Bianca situation is a thin line, because it could be an interesting plot to find out what happened and bring them back together, but I sympathize with people that really want to romance Varric not thinking that's such an interesting plot.

 

But I remember Cameron Lee saying about Varric, "I don't know if he's ready to let go of Bianca," or something like that and I've wondered if it was some kind of hint that there could be more there. It's very vague, though, so maybe not. They really did leave the plot with Bianca open, though, so I feel like it would be a bit of a let down if they didn't do something with her, even if you find out she died. 

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

 

 

 

It doesn't fly with me anymore.  I can even come up with some plausible reasons why he might not be a LI.  However, Bianca the dwarf or the crossbow, is not on the my list of reasons why. 

 

And this is why I think Varric will be for dwarfs only, he is still dedicated to a female dwarf after so long and the Inquisitor could be the one dwarf he has ever met that helps him get over the past and move on in life. 

[Grieving Natashina]

The Bianca situation is a thin line, because it could be an interesting plot to find out what happened and bring them back together, but I sympathize with people that really want to romance Varric not thinking that's such an interesting plot.

 

But I remember Cameron Lee saying about Varric, "I don't know if he's ready to let go of Bianca," or something like that and I've wondered if it was some kind of hint that there could be more there. It's very vague, though, so maybe not. They really did leave the plot with Bianca open, though, so I feel like it would be a bit of a let down if they didn't do something with her, even if you find out she died. 

It could also mean: You can change his weapons, but just like Minsc with Boo, you can't delete, sell, or equip Bianca for yourself."  There doesn't have to be a huge lore reason for it.   Not like the devs aren't known for being cagey smartalecks from time to time.  

 

Oh, I never suggested not doing something with her.  I have a few ideas about that.

[Ynqve]

People want to romance Varric, and if they keep on bringing this up it makes it more likely in their minds? It doesn't make any sense to me either. 

 

Actually, there are quite a few of us Varricmancers who really dislike that particular argument. I've got no problems with a race gated Varric, I just don't like it when people take a joke and blow it out of proportion.

[Ynqve]

And this is why I think Varric will be for dwarfs only, he is still dedicated to a female dwarf after so long and the Inquisitor could be the one dwarf he has ever met that helps him get over the past and move on in life. 

 

Or maybe that's why he won't be available to a dwarf inquisitor. Because she reminds him too much of Bianca! 

[Grieving Natashina]

Here's just my thoughts on how to include Bianca in with a Varric LI.  Your mileage may vary of course, but this is my ideas about her and Varric.

 

 

How do you think might it be plot related? 

The Carta and the strong hints of Varric's and Bianca's ties to it in the past.   I've kicked around a few ideas:

 

1) The Carta's role in Legacy is likely going to come up.  After all, Varric did have to kill Bianca's (the xbow) creator, and I have a feeling that Bianca (the woman) may have heard of that.  I'm also willing to bet the knowledge that part of the Carta broke off and vanished was spread throughout the organization.

 

2) If they play their cards right, they could have a stronger foothold in the black market trade.  With the Circles gone and the Chantry divided, getting legitimate lyrium supplies could be rather difficult from some groups.  The Carta is happy to help with the cost...

 

3) They could have full blown mostly fallen in league with the Red Templars due to the red lyrium driving them insane.  Bianca asks for Varric's help in trying to save some of her friends.

 

4) A bounty on Varric's head for the deaths of several Carta members (in and out of the DLC,) has been issued.  Under false pretenses, Bianca has come to end Varric for good.

 

5) Bianca is torn between the Carta and her former lover.  She's passes Varric along information that's crucial to a major quest.  Stating that she can't get too deeply involved, she lets Varric know that she never meant to hurt him so bad.  They then part ways, leaving Varric free to move on.

[HiroVoid]

To be fair, there are some people who never re-marry or anything like that if their spouse or someone else they were really close to passed on.  I've known people like that even when they were young until the day they died in their 60s to 80s.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

It could also mean: You can change his weapons, but just like Minsc with Boo, you can't delete, sell, or equip Bianca for yourself."  There doesn't have to be a huge lore reason for it.   Not like the devs aren't known for being cagey smartalecks from time to time.  

Well, he said it specifically in response to a question about romance, so I don't think so. It was after the confusion over the comments Laidlaw made at a con when some people thought he was saying Varric was a romance, when he also confirmed Cullen and Cassandra. In response to the "is Varric a romance" question, Lee wouldn't confirm or deny, but he said he wasn't sure if Varric was ready to let go of Bianca. 

[MiSS Provencale]

Well, he said it specifically in response to a question about romance, so I don't think so. It was after the confusion over the comments Laidlaw made at a con when some people thought he was saying Varric was a romance, when he also confirmed Cullen and Cassandra. In response to the "is Varric a romance" question, Lee wouldn't confirm or deny, but he said he wasn't sure if Varric was ready to let go of Bianca. 

Semi confirmation Varric isn't romancable......

[Grieving Natashina]

Well, he said it specifically in response to a question about romance, so I don't think so. It was after the confusion over the comments Laidlaw made at a con when some people thought he was saying Varric was a romance, when he also confirmed Cullen and Cassandra. In response to the "is Varric a romance" question, Lee wouldn't confirm or deny, but he said he wasn't sure if Varric was ready to let go of Bianca. 

I also wouldn't past him to be trolling us either. (edit: in an affectionate way)   It would be an awesome red herring, for several reasons, so I'm not going to take that at face value yet.  I refuse to let things get me down.  The devs are the only ones that can state yes or no.  I'm not going to look too deeply into what the DA team might have been saying, regardless of how "likely" it seems.

 

 Last week, I would have sworn up and down that Iron Bull was going to be race-gated.  I learned much differently.  It was another lesson in making sure not to guess too much as to what the DA team is doing.  It's much safer and happier that way.  

 

 

To be fair, there are some people who never re-marry or anything like that if their spouse or someone else they were really close to passed on.  I've known people like that even when they were young until the day they died in their 60s to 80s.

My problem: Most don't start speaking to an object like they were the real person.  Or at least not after a decade, I'd hope.

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

We could spend months speculating on this and not get anything right you know, we are just gonna have to wait till they announce the other two which I see happening in the coming weeks 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I also wouldn't past him to be trolling us either.  It would be an awesome red herring, for several reasons, so I'm not going to take that at face value yet.  I refuse to let things get me down.  The devs are the only ones that can state yes or no.  I'm not going to look too deeply into what the DA team might have been saying, regardless of how "likely" it seems.

 

 Last week, I would have sworn up and down that Iron Bull was going to be race-gated.  I learned much differently.  It was another lesson in making sure not to guess too much as to what the DA team is doing.  It's much safer and happier that way.  

Well, Iron Bull was going to be. They weren't trolling us, they just were managing out expectations, because they didn't know if they could work out his cinematics.

 

But I'm not saying it's confirmation at all. I'm just thinking about random points right now that have come up for all the possible LIs, since that's kind of the game in here. I agree that we shouldn't take anything as confirmed until it's solid from the devs. 

[Grieving Natashina]

@cnut Since when has that stopped anyone on this forum?  Ever?  Otherwise, not much to talk about in the romance thread.  We are talking about the potential remaining LIs after all.  

 

 

Well, Iron Bull was going to be. They weren't trolling us, they just were managing out expectations, because they didn't know if they could work out his cinematics.

 

But I'm not saying it's confirmation at all. I'm just thinking about random points right now that have come up for all the possible LIs, since that's kind of the game in here. I agree that we shouldn't take anything as confirmed until it's solid from the devs. 

No no, I wasn't talking about Iron Bull's lack of race gating as far as affectionate trolling.  But being cagey, dodging answers, and deliberately teasing us?  Oh yeah, most of us have seen it several times.

 

I'm was just using Iron Bull as an example of many of us being so sure about where the DA team was taking this game, and being proven wrong.

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

I will have to admit Bioware fans to speculate more than any other fandom, well maybe as much as the Kingdom Hearts fanbase lol which I am also a prt of 

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

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[beezing]

So after having read a few spoilery things about Cole, I can definitely see why he wouldn't be an LI. I got excited when I saw his character model. The androgyny is right up my alley. At least there's still Cassandra.

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

I will admit I think the only two romances already confirmed that might be race gated could be Cassandra and Cullen (maybe Humans and Elves only) Since I couldn't see Cassandra being interested in Dwarfs and Qunari and same with Cullen. 

[Amanare]

Varric or not I would love to see a male dwarf romance for my female dwarf, heck he can be bi I don't care I just want a male dwarf.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

As for Bianca, she says in the comic that the Merchant's Guild has "called for their spleens", so I think probably there are three ways this will go;

 

A.) Bianca is dead. The Guild or their assassins caught her, maybe she even died so Varric could get away. 

B.) Bianca was captured, maybe to exploit her design capabilities. 

C.) Bianca and Varric were separated and don't know how to find each other, for whatever reason.

 

I just don't really see it as likely that they could find each other and Varric is just pining away over a lady that could hook back up with him, but has no desire to. That's just.. not how fiction usually works? The comic shows them as about to try to escape from the Guild and I imagine what we will learn is how their escape went badly. It's possible that they just amicably broke up, or something else, but I really don't think this is the most likely thing. I'm just doubtful that we'll find out where Bianca is and she'll have known where Varric was all along and didn't want to see him. I think probably she's dead if he's an LI and they'll get back together if he's not.

 

Obviously that's just my guess, but it seems the most likely to me.

[ladyofpayne]

2 LI left unknown:

• Vivienne
• Solas or Blackwall

Plus flier with NO_NO.

[Chari]

 

 

 

Yes, but after ~11 years of no physical contact?  Not a message, not a word?  They've hinted in the EU that both Varric and Bianca have had Carta connections at some point in their past.  It's not like she didn't know where to find him.  He was living in Kirkwall for at least 7 years, and it's not like he would have been too hard to find.  She couldn't have sent word? 

 

 I'm sorry, but at this point I don't see a Varric romance as "unfair to Bianca."  Unless Inquisition reveals something about her we didn't know, I don't think it's unfair.   A 40 year old shouldn't be that seriously hung up on someone after so long.  It's time that he lets that go.  In DA2, I do agree.  We don't know how long it was since she was "lost" to him before the events of Act 1.  Holding onto Bianca's memory like that made sense at the time.  

 

It doesn't fly with me anymore.  I can even come up with some plausible reasons why he might not be a LI.  However, Bianca the dwarf or the crossbow, is not on the my list of reasons why. 

 

That's a good question why she didn't send anything if she could. But in case she is still alive, I doubt she actually could contact him. Something happened, something which made him believe she died. Based on the twitter comments etc though she might still be quite alive

I respect Varric for loving Bianca even after all the years, he seems like a person who falls in love once and never again. His past with Bianca means to him too much to forget. So talking about her like an obstacle or an unimportant element of his past is just... disrespectful to her memory. To their memory

I still think that the only way Varric could possibly end up with the Inquisitor if we finally find out that Bianca did indeed die. And poor Varric will weep, and be bitter and sad. I don't how anyone seeing their crush crying over a lost love can be thinking "oh, this is it, I can hump him now!" and not feel like a douchebag.

So, I do believe that Varric won't be romancable and even if we don't meet Bianca in DA:I, he still will remember. Always

[Grieving Natashina]

 

Nocte ad Mortem, on 13 Jul 2014 - 01:15 AM, said:

As for Bianca, she says in the comic that the Merchant's Guild has "called for their spleens", so I think probably there are three ways this will go;

 

A.) Bianca is dead. The Guild or their assassins caught her, maybe she even died so Varric could get away.

 

 

 

 

I doubt they would resolve that just off-screen. I really doubt it, especially since they know that players mostly want to know what that was about. 

 

 

B.) Bianca was captured, maybe to exploit her design capabilities

 

 

Varric was in Kirkwall for 7 years, and they "wanted his spleen."  Don't you think it would have been obvious where Varric was, especially after Hawke became the Champion?  If they were truly after him, then they did a bad job of it.  Either Varric was just that lucky or Bianca's just that unlucky.  If they wanted her for her design, then why would she be dead by now?  Why kill who you can treat and pay well?

 

C.) Bianca and Varric were separated and don't know how to find each other, for whatever reason.

 

 

Okay, but what reasons?  I'm really beginning to find it hard to believe that there wasn't a coded note, or any way for them to use contacts to get in touch with each other?  No way to contact old friends in the Merchant's Guild to pass a nice bribe and a message?  Again, I can't buy it.  

 

I just don't really see it as likely that they could find each other and Varric is just pining away over a lady that could hook back up with him, but has no desire to. That's just.. not how fiction usually works?

 

Oh, stories of crushed expectations are very common in fiction. Including in romance stories, where the hero/heroine of the tale has their dreams of "their one true love" built as high as possible, only to be crushed by the facts.  So yeah, fiction can work that way.  

 

 

The comic shows them as about to try to escape from the Guild and I imagine what we will learn is how their escape went badly. It's possible that they just amicably broke up, or something else, but I really don't think this is the most likely thing. I'm just doubtful that we'll find out where Bianca is and she'll have known where Varric was all along and didn't want to see him. I think probably she's dead if he's an LI and they'll get back together if he's not.

 

 

 

I think Bianca betrayed him, willingly or unwillingly, and hence the break up. 

 

Finally and the most important part to me, this is a Fade Nightmare were we learn most of this.  That's not the most reliable source of information or truth, so is it that unlikely we just saw the Nightmare, and not what actually happened?  

 

So for all we know, none of that actually happened the way the comic said it did.  Shoot, we've spend two games now where we've busted either our companions or NPCs out of Fade Nightmares.  Those weren't real, so I'm not entirely inclined to believe the events of Bianca and Varric as shown in the comic actually happened that way at all.

 

 

 

[J-Reyno]

In terms of likelihood my guess would be Vivienne and Varric.  As others have said, they're good candidates for race-gated LIs.  

[Reznore57]

That's a good question why she didn't send anything if she could. But in case she is still alive, I doubt she actually could contact him. Something happened, something which made him believe she died. Based on the twitter comments etc though she might still be quite alive

I respect Varric for loving Bianca even after all the years, he seems like a person who falls in love once and never again. His past with Bianca means to him too much to forget. So talking about her like an obstacle or an unimportant element of his past is just... disrespectful to her memory. To their memory

I still think that the only way Varric could possibly end up with the Inquisitor if we finally find out that Bianca did indeed die. And poor Varric will weep, and be bitter and sad. I don't how anyone seeing their crush crying over a lost love can be thinking "oh, this is it, I can hump him now!" and not feel like a douchebag.

So, I do believe that Varric won't be romancable and even if we don't meet Bianca in DA:I, he still will remember. Always

 

Possible Bianca is alive and moved on with her life ?