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So, I do believe that Varric won't be romancable and even if we don't meet Bianca in DA:I, he still will remember. Always

 

Okay, here's a question:  Would it be that big of a deal to you if Varric was a LI and if they actually had him get over Bianca?  Would it truly bother you that much?  Oh and I can give you non-Bianca related reasons why Varric might not be a LI.  The DA team wouldn't have to hold onto the Bianca obsession in order to make him unavailable as LI.


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That's a good question why she didn't send anything if she could. But in case she is still alive, I doubt she actually could contact him. Something happened, something which made him believe she died. Based on the twitter comments etc though she might still be quite alive

I respect Varric for loving Bianca even after all the years, he seems like a person who falls in love once and never again. His past with Bianca means to him too much to forget. So talking about her like an obstacle or an unimportant element of his past is just... disrespectful to her memory. To their memory

I still think that the only way Varric could possibly end up with the Inquisitor if we finally find out that Bianca did indeed die. And poor Varric will weep, and be bitter and sad. I don't how anyone seeing their crush crying over a lost love can be thinking "oh, this is it, I can hump him now!" and not feel like a douchebag.

So, I do believe that Varric won't be romancable and even if we don't meet Bianca in DA:I, he still will remember. Always

 

That's a little bit hyper critical, don't you think?

 

You're welcome to your feelings on Varric and his relationship with Bianca, but that's no reason to go and essentially call those hoping for a Varric romance jerks. Ten years is a long time to morn someone ( whether she's dead or the relationship just ended badly ) and it's not unreasonable to think that after so much time or after some sort of closure he might be finally willing to move on. Like with Fenris and Thane, it has the potential to be a healing relationship.


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As I said I won't mind if he isn't, I will hate it for the fans though but the fact he is the only returning companion from both past games that is still a companion shows that Bioware knows he is popular and why couldn't his companion quest be the whole Bianca story that leads him to falling in love with the Inquisitor? Love doesn't have to be always a former love, when one chapter of your life ends, another begins. 



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That's a little bit hyper critical, don't you think?

 

You're welcome to your feelings on Varric and his relationship with Bianca, but that's no reason to go and essentially call those hoping for a Varric romance jerks. Ten years is a long time to morn someone ( whether she's dead or the relationship just ended badly ) and it's not unreasonable to think that after so much time or after some sort of closure he might be finally willing to move on. Like with Fenris and Thane, it has the potential to be a healing relationship.

Agreed.  I'd also like to stress again that if the devs decided Varric isn't a romance, they don't have to use Bianca as the reason.

 

@Char Oh and "I can hump him now???" Just because I'd like a Varric romance?  It's about the romance arc and dialogue itself.  You seriously think it's about "humping" anyone when it comes to a BioWare romance?  That's kinda uncalled for, don't you think?  <_<

 

 

As I said I won't mind if he isn't, I will hate it for the fans though but the fact he is the only returning companion from both past games that is still a companion shows that Bioware knows he is popular and why couldn't his companion quest be the whole Bianca story that leads him to falling in love with the Inquisitor? Love doesn't have to be always a former love, when one chapter of your life ends, another begins. 

That's a very valid point.   :)


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Possible Bianca is alive and moved on with her life ?

And miss an opportunity to give Varric a fascinating backstory? Nope, not Bioware's style. Every companion has to have a dramatic past and dramatic future

 

 

 

Okay, here's a question:  Would it be that big of a deal to you if Varric was a LI and if they actually had him get over Bianca?  Would it truly bother you that much?  Oh and I can give you non-Bianca related reasons why Varric might not be a LI.  The DA team wouldn't have to hold onto the Bianca obsession in order to make him unavailable as LI.

 

Yes, yes it would. I do like Varric and in DA2 I did try to romance him with my Hawke, quite unsuccesfully. But after I learnt about Bianca through comics and kinda DLC I realised that this would be wrong, to crush such a deep connection between these two. Maybe Varric will never get over Bianca or will only when he finds out what happened to her in reality (though he does think she is dead and still hold all the memories), but I do believe that their love was... heartbreaking. 

He is sort of like Oghren, I guess? Even after his wife left him and prefered a lover, Oghren still loves her and feels hurt. I feel like dwarves like Oghren and Varric... they just never forget the happy moments

Crushing a connection between people is one of the most terrible crimes a person can commit. Breaking families, bonds, friendships apart just because one wants someone? It's... monstrous



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It's been 10 years, the Inquisitor would hardly be stealing Varric away from her.



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Husband is convinced that Varric is a bi race gated LI. Something about him being charming and hot as hell. He's straight and never says stuff like this lol


I can't see Varric as bisexual. It doesn't make sense with his character. Even male Hawke couldn't flirt with Varric (but femHawke could). Varric has only ever spoken of women, whether it's, "this tavern could use some dwarven girls" or Bianca. He tells Hawke that she's a beautiful woman, but he doesn't tell male Hawke that he's sexy.

If they make Varric bisexual, that would be a big leap in inconsistency, at least from many shared perspectives of his character.

Thing is...the last two characters will be bisexual to put our options up fairly. I can see Solas as bi, since we have no rapport with him, but not Varric.

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And miss an opportunity to give Varric a fascinating backstory? Nope, not Bioware's style. Every companion has to have a dramatic past and dramatic future

 

 

I think the fact that Varric is loyal to people he shouldn't is interesting.Bartrand?

There's some potential for character growth , here.

Also the fact he tends to build story to make things looks better?

 

And holding a flame 10 years for someone who forget about you is dramatic.



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Kaidan and Anders never showed any overt attraction to males in-game, that didn't stop Bioware from making them bisexual later on.

 

It's also possible for bisexuals to prefer one gender more than the other without being exclusive.


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That's a very valid point.   :)

 

Yay she praised me! lol 


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I think the fact that Varric is loyal to people he shouldn't is interesting.Bartrand?

There's some potential for character growth , here.

Also the fact he tends to build story to make things looks better?

 

And holding a flame 10 years for someone who forget about you is dramatic.

Who said she forgot about him? We do not know what happened to her. Maybe she does but can't contact him? Or maybe she doesn't but he doesn't know. Anyway Varric thinks she is dead and still cares. That's... beautiful and tragic



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Varric being bisexual is not impossible (Kaidan, Anders). Gating him to dwarven ladies sounds like overkill, tbh. Too much effort for one option only.



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And miss an opportunity to give Varric a fascinating backstory? Nope, not Bioware's style. Every companion has to have a dramatic past and dramatic future

 

 

Yes, yes it would. I do like Varric and in DA2 I did try to romance him with my Hawke, quite unsuccesfully. But after I learnt about Bianca through comics and kinda DLC I realised that this would be wrong, to crush such a deep connection between these two. Maybe Varric will never get over Bianca or will only when he finds out what happened to her in reality (though he does think she is dead and still hold all the memories), but I do believe that their love was... heartbreaking. 

 

Okay, you would be offended if Varric was a romance.  Wow.

 

Er, a deep connection?  Oh please, tell me outside of a "a girl and a promise", a weapon he treats like a person, and an iffy story coming of a Fade Nightmare this "deep connection" has shown itself??  The DLC only had him dealing with Bianca's maker, not with the dwarven woman.  It seemed like he was coming to terms with that part of his life, but I saw no mention of the dwarven lady.  He didn't talk about her, just the crossbow.

 

The comic came from a Fade Nightmare.  Which always has been truthful right?  

 

And miss an opportunity to give Varric a fascinating backstory? Nope, not Bioware's style. Every companion has to have a dramatic past and dramatic future

 

He is sort of like Oghren, I guess? Even after his wife left him and prefered a lover, Oghren still loves her and feels hurt. I feel like dwarves like Oghren and Varric... they just never forget the happy moments

 

Um, Oghren hadn't seen his wife in over two years.  You know what happened if you help him with his personal quest?  He finds and marries someone else.

 

In between people is one of the most terrible crimes a person can commit. Breaking families, bonds, friendships apart just because one wants someone? It's... monstrous

Yeah, well, that isn't the case here.  



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Thing is...the last two characters will be bisexual to put our options up fairly. I can see Solas as bi, since we have no rapport with him, but not Varric.

 

There isn't a guarante both will be bisexual though. Which makes me think it won't be just the bi characters that get hit with the race gate.



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Kaidan and Anders never showed any overt attraction to males in-game, that didn't stop Bioware from making them bisexual later on.

It's also possible for bisexuals to prefer one gender more than the other without being exclusive.



Bioware can go ahead and make him bisexual, but it will feel forced on his character.

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When will the next reveal likely be?

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And miss an opportunity to give Varric a fascinating backstory? Nope, not Bioware's style. Every companion has to have a dramatic past and dramatic future

 

I dunno, the "she's moved on after I've been holding onto her all these years" sounds like a pretty interesting angle. 


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There isn't a guarante both will be bisexual though. Which makes me think it won't be just the bi characters that get hit with the race gate.

 

I don't think Bioware will mind race gating the ones that are already gender gated.



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so far July has been the month for romance options but idk if we will get anymore this month, maybe one in August and then the last one in September? Myabe that's to far aprt, maybe both in August?  



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Gating him to lady-dwarfs only sounds like overkill, tbh. Too much effort for one option only.

 

And I can't really think of a precedent for that. The closest would be Baldur's Gate requiring the PC to be human, elf, or half-elf, but that encompasses a probable majority of the player characters. Bioware knows that dwarves are the least played race, and female dwarves least of all.



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Okay, you would be offended if Varric was a romance.  Wow.

 

Er, A deep connection?  Oh please, tell me outside of a "a girl and a promise", a weapon he treats like a person, and an iffy story coming of a Fade Nightmare this "deep connection" has shown itself??  The DLC only had him dealing with Bianca's maker, not with the dwarven woman.  It seemed like he was coming to terms with that part of his life, but I saw no mention of the dwarven lady.  He didn't talk about her, just the crossbow.

 

The comic came from a Fade Nightmare.  Which always has been truthful right?  

 

Um, Oghren hadn't seen his wife in over two years.  You know what happened if you help him with his personal quest?  He finds and marries someone else.

 

Yeah, well, that isn't the case here.  

Varric does realise it's just a dream, and he does realise that it is based on truth. You may deny it as much as you want, but 99% Varric knows better. 

Only when he learns that Branka dumped him to be with a lover and/or died in front of his own eyes. And even Oghren, not an example of chivalry, still remembers her. He is bitter and doesn't like to show his feelings but that is what makes him such an awesome character. Drunken, pathetic and not caring outside, bitter, heartbroken and heroic inside.

It kind of is, if she's still alive and still cares. And he does, as we know



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I doubt they would resolve that just off-screen. I really doubt it, especially since they know that players mostly want to know what that was about. 

 

Varric was in Kirkwall for 7 years, and they "wanted his spleen."  Don't you think it would have been obvious where Varric was, especially after Hawke became the Champion?  If they were truly after him, then they did a bad job of it.  Either Varric was just that lucky or Bianca's just that unlucky.  If they wanted her for her design, then why would she be dead by now?  Why kill who you can treat and pay well?

 

Okay, but what reasons?  I'm really beginning to find it hard to believe that there wasn't a coded note, or any way for them to use contacts to get in touch with each other?  No way to contact old friends in the Merchant's Guild to pass a nice bribe and a message?  Again, I can't buy it.  

 

Oh, stories of crushed expectations are very common in fiction. Including in romance stories, where the hero/heroine of the tale has their dreams of "their one true love" built as high as possible, only to be crushed by the facts.  So yeah, fiction can work that way.  

Well, first, I was really confused for a minute because I didn't realize mine and Charl's posts were meshed together into this. lol

 

It's possible that Varric wasn't important to them without Bianca. If they already had Bianca, they might not care about Varric. She may have even turned herself in to them or something similar so that they would let him go. Maybe she let him think she was dead so he'd be safe. She may not contact him because she feels he would be in danger because of it, or she may be kept locked up, or they may just be too far apart to easily contact each other. Thedas isn't realistically a place you can easily travel across, though game mechanics might make it otherwise. If we do see her, she may be in Orlais or somewhere very far from Kirkwall. If they're on the other side of the continent, for whatever reason, then I don't find it difficult to believe that she couldn't send word to him or couldn't find contacts that had solid information all the way in Kirkwall. I think the time gap in DA2 is portrayed badly in most character relationships, though, so it wouldn't surprise me too much if it were with this one, too. As for why they had the hit out, though, I have no idea. That's definitely something we'll have to wait and see.

 

It's also possible that she betrayed him. I'd be surprised that he continued to speak of her and dream of her in such a positive way, if that was the case. I admit, though, that it is possible. Both scenarios make sense.

 

I think we're both coloring this with our own bias, though, so we're seeing opposite sides of how things could be. It's like I keep saying, both stories have a lot of value and it just depends on if you're romantically interested in Varric or not. You want to romance Varric and I totally understand why you'd want Bianca to be the bad guy to clear the way for him to move on and be happy with someone else. I'm not saying it's wrong, these are fictional characters, it's totally fine to think one direction for the story is more entertaining for your personal preferences. On the other hand, while I don't want to romance Varric, I actually am a huge fan of his character. Maybe that doesn't portray well, because I'm not a Varricmancer? I kind of feel like I'm pissing off a lot of his fans, but I really do love the character. He is absolutely one of my favorite characters in the series, though, just as a platonic friend. Because I really love his character in a platonic way, I would love to see him get back with Bianca. I don't want my character to be with him, but I want him to be happy and to resolve this in a pleasant way. I totally understand that you do, too, though, and you don't just want to steal Bianca's man with no concern for how her death, etc, will affect him. You want him to be happy and resolve this, too, we just have different ideals for it. For me, though, the "friendship" path where Bianca is treacherous and broke his heart, with him still ending up single, is depressing in comparison to him hooking back up with Bianca after all this time. 

 

Am I making sense here without coming across as offensive to Varricmancers? Sorry if not.  :unsure:



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I dunno, the "she's moved on after I've been holding onto her all these years" sounds like a pretty interesting angle. 

It is. And that would make a good story, a conclusion to their love. But it still is canon that Varric loves Bianca



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When will the next reveal likely be?

 

If we're super lucky? Tomorrow. Bioware has another big Panel at GaymerX, don't they?



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And I can't really think of a precedent for that. The closest would be Baldur's Gate requiring the PC to be human, elf, or half-elf, but that encompasses a probable majority of the player characters. Bioware knows that dwarves are the least played race, and female dwarves least of all.

 

I think Bioware wants players to have as much replayability as possible, and knowing dwarves are the least-played race, having Varric race-gated only to dwarves would be an incentive for more players to go dwarf.

 

Going back to romance: I will be pleasantly surprised if Varric is an LI