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Yup I get that. I tend to agree with you - but I have met a few concentration camp survivors who could not get past that - and honestly, when you hear their stories, I get why they feel that way and I totally respect it.
Oh yes I'm not saying they don't have the right to feel that way. Of course they do. But if I was starting an organization that I needed to trust everyone in it and vice versa they would not be people I would have being the pillars of said organization.
Oh yes I'm not saying they don't have the right to feel that way. Of course they do. But if I was starting an organization that I needed to trust everyone in it and vice versa they would not be people I would have being the pillars of said organization.
Totally makes sense!
Oh yes I'm not saying they don't have the right to feel that way. Of course they do. But if I was starting an organization that I needed to trust everyone in it and vice versa they would not be people I would have being the pillars of said organization.
If there's a giant hole in the sky, demons are attacking the land and my organization is small and struggling to survive I'm not going to kick people out solely because they refuse to bed a qunari. I'm not running a dating organization or a whorehouse.
Just as an example, what if Shianni was willing to work with humans after what happened to her in Origins, but can't be in a romantic relationship with humans now? To me, that would be understandable, and I wouldn't want to force the issue.
If there's a giant hole in the sky, demons are attacking the land and my organization is small and struggling to survive I'm not going to kick people out solely because they refuse to bed a qunari. I'm not running a dating organization.
Good thing that's not what I'm kicking them out for then no?
Totally makes sense!
Thank you 
Just as an example, what if Shianni was willing to work with humans after what happened to her in Origins, but can't be in a romantic relationship with humans now? To me, that would be understandable, and I wouldn't want to force the issue.
Isn't she the PC's cousin or something? She wouldn't really work as an LI regardless.
I guess it depends on if she's trying to compare my PC to Vaughn or not or if she does that "you're a shem like all the others." thing. Again to me it's not about the romance. It's about the comparing my PC to people he/she has not even met and fostering blame on them like they committed the grievance because they're the same race. Understandable yes. Behavior I look for in people I'm trying to start an organization with? No.
But honestly I probably wouldn't have Shianni in the Inquisition regardless because her trauma was rather recent and I wouldn't trust her to be neutral in our dealings with noble humans.
Edit: Honestly the whole you're like all the others type behavior tends to lead to paranoia, paranoia usually leads to people misconstruing your actions and seeing something benign as potentially hostile, that leads to an argument and a whole lot of drama and BS over nothing in my personal experience. Do not want. It's toxic from the beginning and is much easier to just avoid that crap from the jump.
I read somewhere that we're among the largest proportional to other mammals.
Good work, fellas.
Ok can we assume that Female Qunari are like female Hyenas then? Thats right people i went there!
So, does it seem now that we almost have to have 8 LIs?
I think its mostly about beign fair. You girls already have Sera as a lesbian. If Cassandra would be bi then you have two options. While the guys maybe only have Cass.
I think 8 LI's is a bit of a stretch. 6 still seems like the most likely scenario to me, with one or two race restrictions that result in a few specific race/gender/orientation combinations only having one option.
If there are more I'd expect to see 7, with four male LI's (who have more strict race restrictions) and three female ones.
I guess I just have difficulty seeing Vivienne being an LI, what with the extreme social stigma with regards to interracial relationships in Orlais, and would be incredibly put off if all women in the inquisitions inner circle are either romanceable in Inquisition or were romanceable in a previous game.
Isn't she the PC's cousin or something? She wouldn't really work as an LI regardless.
I guess it depends on if she's trying to compare my PC to Vaughn or not or if she does that "you're a shem like all the others." thing. Again to me it's not about the romance. It's about the comparing my PC to people he/she has not even met and fostering blame on them like they committed the grievance because they're the same race.
But honestly I probably wouldn't have Shianni in the Inquisition regardless because her trauma was rather recent and I wouldn't trust her to be neutral in our dealings with noble humans.
LOL, it didn't even occur to me that my example could be about kissing cousins, I was thinking of if she were to come back in another game and didn't want to romance a human.
Shianni was strong enough, according to the end cards of DA:O, to become the new Hahren of the Alienage (or possibly Bann but I heard that ends badly so lets ignore that), so I assume she would have to work with humans in some capacity, and not have a problem with it. Becoming intimate, though, is a whole other thing, imo, and I can see how it could be a problem.
As far as any of our actual companions, I'll wait and see before judging their reasons for racial preferences. I'll be a little disappointed if it's never brought up, like I suspect, and we just don't get any flirt options if we're a certain race, because then I'm going to be wondering what's really going on.
Yes. Oh goodness yes. That was when I was in high school. Sorry for the delay, just got home.
Somehow, I am not surprised to find Buffy fans here.
David Gaider touches on the same sadistic, bitter-sweet, romantic, agonizing but extremely emotionally engaging narrative style than Joss Whedon, and the same people find a love/hate-relation with him. That screaming "how could you do that to me *sniffle*", but in the end just wanting more of his content.
I think they are brothers in spirit. And, hell, David Gaider even admitted himself that he designed Alistair after Xander.
And, yeah, Oz was cool. But I liked Tara as well. And Willow anyways.
And I maybe will give birth to a piglet and fry it for bacon. Gay women getting two Lis while straight men getting one is not going to happen.
It was a figure of speech. Both Sera and Cass are two desired characters by alot of fans. Maybe fair was the wrong word, since I know there haven't many gay romances around.
But my point was that the people who wanted to romance Sera as a male are now gonna have to play as a female. So, it seemed okay in my eyes that if we have to play as a female to get Sera (which isn't a problem for me personally), people who want to romance Cass are gonna have to play as a male.
That would balance it out, don't you think?
Somehow, I am not surprised to find Buffy fans here.
I quit watching before the 3rd season, so I wouldn't consider myself a serious fan. Sorry Buffy fans, but I couldn't get into it.
But my point was that the people who wanted to romance Sera as a male are now gonna have to play as a female. So, it seemed okay in my eyes that if we have to play as a female to get Sera (which isn't a problem for me personally), people who want to romance Cass are gonna have to play as a male.
That would balance it out, don't you think?
So would making Cassandra bi, which would leave her available to both genders. Also, straight guys could have a NPC romance to choose from as well, so that would balance it out as well. As has been shown before, there is folks that really enjoyed the NPC romances in Mass Effect, so I could see them putting one in for straight men.
I'm not sure if "Scribbles" is to your taste, but I personally think she's lovely. She's my vote on the other straight LI for men.
LOL, it didn't even occur to me that my example could be about kissing cousins, I was thinking of if she were to come back in another game and didn't want to romance a human.
Shianni was strong enough, according to the end cards of DA:O, to become the new Hahren of the Alienage (or possibly Bann but I heard that ends badly so lets ignore that), so I assume she would have to work with humans in some capacity, and not have a problem with it. Becoming intimate, though, is a whole other thing, imo, and I can see how it could be a problem.
As far as any of our actual companions, I'll wait and see before judging their reasons for racial preferences. I'll be a little disappointed if it's never brought up, like I suspect, and we just don't get any flirt options if we're a certain race, because then I'm going to be wondering what's really going on.
XD yeah.
Reading the wiki though it looks like the Hahren deals mostly with the elves. The Bann though tends to end up dead unless it's the PC.
Though yes being intimate could be a problem. But how many race restricted LIs are really going to have rape as backstory?
I rather it just be a cause of does not find sexy. Cause that's most of the reason for people not being attracted to someone. Everything doesn't need a traumatic reason to be justified. And yeah I'm pretty inclined to boot anyone trying to judge my PC for the actions of another race. Because really in my experience dealing with that it's toxic from the beginning and it doesn't end well. You get comparisons, drama and it just...no.
I can deal with Fenris like because while he was ARGH MAGES he didn't cross the line to YOU'RE A MAGE LIKE ALL THE OTHERS AND YOU SUCK. (well he did once and then promptly apologized for it).
Much much much rather they just not find race X sexually appealing. So much more. Please let that just be the case. PLEASE.
So would making Cassandra bi, which would leave her available to both genders. Also, straight guys could have a NPC romance to choose from as well, so that would balance it out as well. As has been shown before, there is folks that really enjoyed the NPC romances in Mass Effect, so I could see them putting one in for straight men.
I'm not sure if "Scribbles" is to your taste, but I personally think she's lovely. She's my vote on the other straight LI for men.
Which NPC could we choose from? Did something new got confirmed?
I do think Scribbles looks interesting and I'm defintely not putting her aside. But Cass is still my main choice. I know that nothing changes for me wether she is straight or bi. It just seemed "fair" in my eyes.
I mean, why should the npc's be straight? Why not make those bi?
So would making Cassandra bi, which would leave her available to both genders. Also, straight guys could have a NPC romance to choose from as well, so that would balance it out as well. As has been shown before, there is folks that really enjoyed the NPC romances in Mass Effect, so I could see them putting one in for straight men.
I'm not sure if "Scribbles" is to your taste, but I personally think she's lovely. She's my vote on the other straight LI for men.
But my point was that the people who wanted to romance Sera as a male are now gonna have to play as a female. So, it seemed okay in my eyes that if we have to play as a female to get Sera (which isn't a problem for me personally), people who want to romance Cass are gonna have to play as a male.
Now imagine the public outcry once we find out that Cassandra is only into dwarven ladies. 
I was thinking more in terms from the player character standpoint. If you're female or male who prefers same sex partners you have the male/female companions that role that way and the bi companions that are open to the PC as well. I read some early posts that seem to be disgruntled about limited bisexual options. I do not really understand the complaint (or perhaps I am misinterpreting something.)
Makes me feel like im one of those guys who picked Liara for femshep in ME1 just to see the "hot girl on girl action!"
eh sometimes i wanted that DA as a dark fantasy have a option to force your companions or nps to romance you
It's interesting where the arbitrary drawing of lines comes in. Even evil characters tend to have very strict limits on what they can and can't do in most games.
Do sexual people not consider themselves in a relationship until after they have sex?
Say, you go out on dates and hold hands and hug and maybe even kiss. You talk to each other on the phone and send emails and blush when you see the person you like. And you're not seeing anyone else, but since you haven't actually committed a sexual act, you're not actually in a relationship. Just a rather elaborate mating dance instead?
They mutually acknowledge they're in a relationship with their special person.
Does anyone really want to be the cinematic guy who spends a month making rape scenes?
I'm pretty sure someone does considering some of the Skyrim Mods I've seen.
The question is if publishers want to back that...I'm pretty sure it's a no 
@schall_und_rauch Finally! Someone gets it.
I'm hoping NCP's are bi as well! I don't want my straight female quiz to only have one companion romance choice; as many here seem to be (selfishly) hoping for, grrrrr. Sorry, but I'm one who really enjoys taking my li everywhere for rping purposes.Which NPC could we choose from? Did something new got confirmed?
I do think Scribbles looks interesting and I'm defintely not putting her aside. But Cass is still my main choice. I know that nothing changes for me wether she is straight or bi. It just seemed "fair" in my eyes.
I mean, why should the npc's be straight? Why not make those bi?
I'm hoping NCP's are bi as well! I don't want my straight female quiz to only have one companion romance choice; as many here seem to be (selfishly) hoping for, grrrrr. Sorry, but I'm one who really enjoys taking my li everyone for rping purposes.
XD you're not the only one. I always leave a spot in the group for my LI.
Though I rather Cullen be straight and IB and another male bi (Solas preferably).
Another aspect I find offputting in this discussion: The distinction between "companion" and "advisor", with the latter being considered lesser romance options.
Fact is: We know that a major part of gameplay is about increasing the power of the inquisition, something that has not been done before in any BW game. It's a viable assumption that the advisors play a major role for this task. Other than that, we know jack **** on how this plays out.
So if we have nine companions of who we chose three for our party, but have three advisors, which might all play an important role for the various parts of the game, isn't it possible that the interaction with the advisors is just as rich and full-fledged, their story just as deep and their importance to the plot just as significant than that of the companions?
It's all speculation, but I imagine that scribbles might play a bigger role in my games than Blackwall. I just don't know anything about her yet, but that's not something I hold against Bioware.
Another aspect I find offputting in this discussion: The distinction between "companion" and "advisor", with the latter being considered lesser romance options.
Fact is: We know that a major part of gameplay is about increasing the power of the inquisition, something that has not been done before in any BW game. It's a viable assumption that the advisors play a major role for this task. Other than that, we know jack **** on how this plays out.
So if we have nine companions of who we chose three for our party, but have three advisors, which might all play an important role for the various parts of the game, isn't it possible that the interaction with the advisors is just as rich and full-fledged, their story just as deep and their importance to the plot just as significant than that of the companions?
It's all speculation, but I imagine that scribbles might play a bigger role in my games than Blackwall. I just don't know anything about her yet, but that's not something I hold against Bioware.
So would making Cassandra bi, which would leave her available to both genders. Also, straight guys could have a NPC romance to choose from as well, so that would balance it out as well. As has been shown before, there is folks that really enjoyed the NPC romances in Mass Effect, so I could see them putting one in for straight men.
I'm not sure if "Scribbles" is to your taste, but I personally think she's lovely. She's my vote on the other straight LI for men.
I think that we will probably get 4 bi LI's (male/female) if the NPCs are bi too.. it would be fair if we had bi companions too.
Relaized that I'm very late to this poll thing but going to input anyway
Blackwall
IronBull
Sera
Dorian
Varric (maybe)
Vivenne (maybe)
And I'll go after them with either gender aside from Sera since she's only into women (unless they have race restrictions I'm not playing a human just to get some fictional loving)
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