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[disgruntled-gamer]

1/3 of the group is heterosexual and 2/3 are bisexual or gay.  This is not a real life proportion and in a world where offspring are still m/f it is outside basic parameters.  I mean, look Alistair can't even marry an elf but 2/3 of all people are into same sex relations?  How does that make sense at all?

 

It's not homophobic or biphobic to point this out.

 

Technically maybe maybe not.   Statistically Straight, Gay, Bi populations  aren’t accurate because it’s still socially unacceptable in a lot of the world to the point you can be jailed or worse and people either hide, deny it or in the case they’re Bi chose the socially acceptable path.

 

If you have a Gene that basically urges you to have sex with anything that moves this gene will be passed on just as much if not more than the Genes urging you just towards the opposite sex.

[Ryzaki]

LOOOOOOOL

 

And ain't no body gonna stop me. 

 

*Twerks enthusiastically*

 

Just for you doing that

 

Spoiler

[sandalisthemaker]

Just for you doing that

 

Spoiler

 

I THINK I'M GONNA DIE.

[Ryzaki]

I THINK I'M GONNA DIE.

 

GOOD. *cackles*

[Grieving Natashina]

My only problem with the DA2 approach: It turned bisexuality into a game mechanic.  I enjoyed the romances and it was done with the best of intentions.  Still, that was the result.  Meanwhile, lesbians and gay people didn't have representation, they had a character that they could romance no matter the gender.  Not the same thing.

 

Bisexuality isn't just about sex; it's about your past relationships as well.  Including romantic relationships that don't involve sex.  There is asexual bisexuals and lesbians out there.  I've had relationships with other women where sex wasn't involved.  

 

The only characters in DA2 that ever came across to me as bisexual where the only ones that actually talked about men and women in a sexual/romantic fashion: Anders and Isabela.  The rest were left vague and were really there for the convenience of the player.  I've also seen folks try to use DA2 as "proof" that bisexuals aren't real.  Those are the minority, but almost criminally willfully ignorant.

 

I do miss the openness of that system, but I'm more than happy to trade it for some honest representation of not just bisexual players, but for our gay and lesbian friends as well.  

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I'm going to hold my judgment on this gating system vs DA2 until we know what the sexuality of the last two option are. If they're straight, then I do not support this system and I will be extremely disappointed in Bioware for dropping a system with equal options in (vanilla) game for a system that once again offers straight people more options. If the options come out equal, then I think I could get behind this system of gating. We'll see.  

[In Exile]

Technically maybe maybe not.   Statistically Straight, Gay, Bi populations  aren’t accurate because it’s still socially unacceptable in a lot of the world to the point you can be jailed or worse and people either hide, deny it or in the case they’re Bi chose the socially acceptable path.

 

If you have a Gene that basically urges you to have sex with anything that moves this gene will be passed on just as much if not more than the Genes urging you just towards the opposite sex.

 

Or they're bi and with the opposite gender, and people assume straight = default. 

[Grieving Natashina]

Or they're bi and with the opposite gender, and people assume straight = default. 

I've gotten that before.  I may be in a heterosexual relationship and happily monogamous (I married one of my two best guy friends and he's awesome,) but I will never be straight.   It isn't how I was born.  

[Slukers]

I've gotten that before.  I may be in a heterosexual relationship and happily monogamous (I married one of my two best guy friends and he's awesome,) but I will never be straight.   It isn't how I was born.  

Woot!!! (I'm right there with you!)

[CareBear1023]

I don't think sexuality is something definable.  I think we have preferences, but attraction is so complicated.  I didn't think that I would be able to find a male attractive and then a switch popped and now I am with a male and find men who look like him attractive.

 

It's all very confusing.  Labels just make it worse.

[In Exile]

My only problem with the DA2 approach: It turned bisexuality into a game mechanic.  I enjoyed the romances and it was done with the best of intentions.  Still, that was the result.  Meanwhile, lesbians and gay people didn't have representation, they had a character that they could romance no matter the gender.  Not the same thing.

 

Bisexuality isn't just about sex; it's about your past relationships as well.  Including romantic relationships that don't involve sex.  There is asexual bisexuals and lesbians out there.  I've had relationships with other women where sex wasn't involved.  

 

The only characters in DA2 that ever came across to me as bisexual where the only ones that actually talked about men and women in a sexual/romantic fashion: Anders and Isabela.  The rest were left vague and were really there for the convenience of the player.  I've also seen folks try to use DA2 as "proof" that bisexuals aren't real.  Those are the minority, but almost criminally willfully ignorant.

 

I do miss the openness of that system, but I'm more than happy to trade it for some honest representation of not just bisexual players, but for our gay and lesbian friends as well.  

 

 

To add to your (well-thought out) comment, my issue with what we're now calling the all-bi DA2 system is that it also represented being bi as being open to everyone of both genders, as opposed to finding members of both genders attractive. That I find some men and women attractive doesn't mean I find all men and women attractive, or that my taste in women (or men) overlaps with someone else's taste (whether they're straight or not).

 

DA:O also had this problem. Even with Zevran, and the fact that he prefers women to men, it was about his openness to gender and not very sophisticated. Bisexuality is more than just "I like both genders". 

[sandalisthemaker]

I'm going to hold my judgment on this gating system vs DA2 until we know what the sexuality of the last two option are. If they're straight, then I do not support this system and I will be extremely disappointed in Bioware for dropping a system with equal options in (vanilla) game for a system that once again offers straight people more options. If the options come out equal, then I think I could get behind this system of gating. We'll see.  

 

What makes me uneasy is the whole concept that race gating allows for a larger number of romance options than were originally going to be available.

 

Regardless of actual intent, if the two race-gated LI's are straight, It kind of comes off as:  

 

Hey look guys we worked extra hard to give more romance options.....to um.... straight people.....

 

I really hope this isn't the case.

[In Exile]

I've gotten that before.  I may be in a heterosexual relationship and happily monogamous (I married one of my two best guy friends and he's awesome,) but I will never be straight.   It isn't how I was born.  

I totally relate. I don't know what you're experience was like, but depending on who I'm out with it's just total bizarre world everyone. I never appreciated just how discriminatory our society can be until I dated on both sides on the gender pool. The way people treat an M/M couple is different, even today, in subtle ways, from how they treat an M/F one. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

What makes me uneasy is the whole concept that race gating allows for a larger number of romance options than were originally going to be available.

Regardless of actual intent, if the two race-gated LI's are straight, It kind of comes off as:  

 

Hey look guys we worked extra hard to give more romance options.....to um.... straight people.....

 

I really hope this isn't the case.

It concerns me. I want to think Bioware made it a priority to make things basically equal outside of some minor race gating, but a lot of people have been suggesting one or more LIs will be straight out of the remaining possibilities. I'm not willing to start praising the system yet not knowing if the equality from DA2 has been maintained and expanded on, or just lost.  

[Grieving Natashina]

I find some women attractive and some men attractive.  It's usually their personality that attracts me the most, but that's what being bisexual means to me.  It isn't very complicated for me.   

 

Straight folks are only attracted the opposite gender, but have certain qualities that they like in a woman or man.  Like humor, physical appearance (long legs, height, hair length, eye color, ect,) career drive (or lack thereof,) or the way a man or woman can laugh.   Bisexuality isn't any different in that sense, we're just attracted to both genders.  Funny thing is that gender doesn't seem to matter very much if a person has qualities you like as a bisexual.

 

 If your interest is in rough biker types with hearts of gold, with blue eyes and red hair, as a bisexual, that is more likely to appeal to you no matter the gender the person in question was.  

 

Think of this way: With friendships regardless of sexual orientation or gender, you're probably going to just hang out with who you like and who you have the most interests in common. Bisexuals are like that, but we can be on a romantic and sexual level too.

 

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@Exile Thank you very much for the compliment, by the way.

[BabyFratelli]

I love when BSN gets all educational.

[CareBear1023]

The relationships are different with men and women, too, though.  When you're with a woman (if you're a woman) that feels gay and "special" in a way.  It's a different vibe of understanding.  You both seem to "get" certain things.

 

I don't know how to explain it really.  I just think its a different type of relationship.  Men are more confusing, in a lot of ways.  Harder.  Or maybe I used to think that way.

 

I don't know now.  Meh.

[Former_Fiend]

My only problem with the DA2 approach: It turned bisexuality into a game mechanic.  I enjoyed the romances and it was done with the best of intentions.  Still, that was the result.  Meanwhile, lesbians and gay people didn't have representation, they had a character that they could romance no matter the gender.  Not the same thing.

 

Bisexuality isn't just about sex; it's about your past relationships as well.  Including romantic relationships that don't involve sex.  There is asexual bisexuals and lesbians out there.  I've had relationships with other women where sex wasn't involved.  

 

The only characters in DA2 that ever came across to me as bisexual where the only ones that actually talked about men and women in a sexual/romantic fashion: Anders and Isabela.  The rest were left vague and were really there for the convenience of the player.  I've also seen folks try to use DA2 as "proof" that bisexuals aren't real.  Those are the minority, but almost criminally willfully ignorant.

 

I do miss the openness of that system, but I'm more than happy to trade it for some honest representation of not just bisexual players, but for our gay and lesbian friends as well.  

 

I think part of what has to be taken into account with that is this; with Merrill, she's a socially awkward virgin from a fairly sexually repressive society. She's likely just coming to terms with her own sexuality herself. Fenris, meanwhile, is an amnesiac who's spent all of his time running instead of engaging in any kind of relationship. For all intents and purposes, he's a virgin, too(the sexual abuse Danarius inflicted on him doesn't count). 

 

Could the have included dialogue to show that despite that, Merrill and Fenris experience attraction to both men and women? Sure. But it's still a point that their past experiences aren't brought up because their past experiences are non-existent.

[90s Luke]

Are we still talking about romances in Inquisition? 

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

anyone else feel like this conversation has went long enough and us move on?

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I find all men I've been with have been varying levels of difficult. I am reluctant to believe it's not more of an issue of individuals. 

[Former_Fiend]

Are we still talking about romances in Inquisition? 

 

No offense, but you seem very paranoid about this thread going off topic.

[Ryzaki]

Are we still talking about romances in Inquisition? 

 

I think IB would probably be easy to bed and hard to get to admit anything deeper.

 

Cullen...maybe something in between? Then third guy can be the long friends to lovers romance.

[Grieving Natashina]

 

The relationships are different with men and women, too, though.  When you're with a woman (if you're a woman) that feels gay and "special" in a way.  It's a different vibe of understanding.  You both seem to "get" certain things.

 

I don't know how to explain it really.  I just think its a different type of relationship.  Men are more confusing, in a lot of ways.  Harder.  Or maybe I used to think that way.

 

I don't know now.  Meh.

 

 

Oh I know, the relationships can be a little different between women and men as opposed to a same sex couple.  I personally think both are equally special in their own ways.

 

It sounds like you have a great guy.  I wouldn't suggest stressing it too much about your sexual orientation right now.  You are who you are and you seem happy with your partner.  You've liked women and men in your past, and the person you're in love with is a guy. That's all that matters.   Figuring out sexuality identity does get easier with age, and it makes it easier to grasp who you are as a person, so give it some time.

 

Enjoy your love, no matter what gender they are.  Enjoy life.  And try not let self-discovering lead you in a maze of puzzlement, if you can.  

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I think part of what has to be taken into account with that is this; with Merrill, she's a socially awkward virgin from a fairly sexually repressive society. She's likely just coming to terms with her own sexuality herself. Fenris, meanwhile, is an amnesiac who's spent all of his time running instead of engaging in any kind of relationship. For all intents and purposes, he's a virgin, too(the sexual abuse Danarius inflicted on him doesn't count). 

 

Could the have included dialogue to show that despite that, Merrill and Fenris experience attraction to both men and women? Sure. But it's still a point that their past experiences aren't brought up because their past experiences are non-existent.

I'm not sure the Dalish are sexually repressive. I've not gotten that from the limited info concerning their approach to sexuality on wiki. I think it's more that she's just been fairly ostracized in her very small social environment, as an individual.

 

But, personally, I don't consider Fenris to be "ambiguous" in my game. He can awkwardly flirt with me and then hook up with Isabela. That's not very ambiguous.