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Straight women have already had a lot more than us, with the one exception of ME3, where options are more or less equal. So I think your own attempted apology skews things out far too much.
Personally, I don't give a damn how much straight men have, I just want decent numbers for ourselves and everyone else.
Sorry, some confusion here, I'm talking about if, theoretically, Vivienne was a LI and gay, and there was another bi male, so that it worked out to straight men with 2 options and the three groups who usually get less would each get one more option. I don't think that they'll have a 5/3 split and allow lesbians to have fewer options that straight women and gay men.But the 5/3 split will screw over another minority who's never gotten extra options.
I'm too confused to jump in on this discussion, but I'm curious, would anyone actually be unhappy if Viv and one of the guys were both Bi and equalled things out?
I'm too confused to jump in on this discussion, but I'm curious, would anyone actually be unhappy if Viv and one of the guys were both Bi and equalled things out?
I'm too confused to jump in on this discussion, but I'm curious, would anyone actually be unhappy if Viv and one of the guys were both Bi and equalled things out?
I don't think any one would be upset in terms of representation in that case. They might not like Vivienne and whichever one of the guys that happens to be the LI though.
No one deserves less options. We are talking about a hypothetical situation where someone is getting less options. Why should people who have been loyal customers to Bioware get less options again just because other people have never played Bioware games before? Your example doesn't make sense to me.
They shouldn't have to. If there are extra options that can't be given to everyone give them to a random group. That's the only objectively "fair" way of doing it.
Giving them to a certain demographic based on previous games isn't fair to new players of the series who don't get as many options because of uneven LI numbers in games they never even played.
Sorry, some confusion here, I'm talking about if, theoretically, Vivienne was a LI and gay, and there was another bi male, so that it worked out to straight men with 2 options and the three groups who usually get less would each get one more option. I don't think that they'll have a 5/3 split and allow lesbians to have fewer options that straight women and gay men.
But *shrug* who knows?
And this is what I think should never happen. If they arbitrarily give straight men one less option this game, then what's stopping them from doing it in the future with straight women? Or doing it to gay people again? I think that people who are attracted to men should always get the same number of options, same goes for people attracted to women. Otherwise it feels like they're arbitrarily favoring one group over the other.
However, if the game works out so that there are more male LIs than females, so people attracted men end up getting more options...I don't think that's a terrible thing. I don't think it'd be a terrible thing if in the future people attracted to women get more options. No group is being favored, it's just the realities of the cast of characters that are deciding who gets what.
Whatever they decide to do with the last two characters I just hope it fits them well and won't feel like an attempt by Bioware to throw a bone to a group who feels hard done by. As long as it is well written I don't care who the last two options go too. I'm a LGBT player and I'm quite content with what Bioware has offered to us in their games, seriously who else has done this for us to such an extent, not many. I'm not looking for more and more to fill some quota, as long as the character is well written and the romance is enjoyable I won't complain.
I'm too confused to jump in on this discussion, but I'm curious, would anyone actually be unhappy if Viv and one of the guys were both Bi and equalled things out?
No, unless you're a fan of one of the guys and he wasn't an option, but that's beside the point.
The thing is, if that were not the case, who do you think should get more options over the others this time around?
What criteria would those straight men use? Why would they think that they deserve an extra romance? That is important in this discussion. They can't say that it's because they haven't gotten extra romances in the past, which is the criteria that I'm using for gay and lesbian players.
They can use whatever kakamimi excuse they want, ranging from "We are the majority, so screw every one else" to "Having so many lgb character is unrealistic", it is no different then "We were disadvantaged before so its ok to screw over others,they deserve it" to "I don't care about non lgb players i just want more options for my preferred gender"
In the end it wouldn't matter, saying "i deserve it and you don't, because reasons" is a shitty thing to do, whether its coming from the lgbt community or not.
As a straight man myself, I feel sad you feel that way
However, I also recognize that your sentiment is justified, so I hope you get what you want as far as romances go
My point is that I don't need straight men to have less.
What can I say? I'm a giver.
Personally, I'd like it if Vivienne were bisexual. If she's not an LI though, I'll feel good that gay guys are getting lots of romances.
It's a win-win.
If possible, give resources that are only your own.
Sorry, some confusion here, I'm talking about if, theoretically, Vivienne was a LI and gay, and there was another bi male, so that it worked out to straight men with 2 options and the three groups who usually get less would each get one more option. I don't think that they'll have a 5/3 split and allow lesbians to have fewer options that straight women and gay men.
But *shrug* who knows?
Then I suppose we were talking about different things.
I don't yet know what the point of having extra options to begin with would be.
The idea is that there is a surplus of development resources that allows for more romance content than planned, but not for enough content that it would be possible to create a bi-LI (character orientation) available to all shapes and sizes of protagonist (race choice).
So then the issue becomes: (1) do we design the romance at all? (2) who do we design the romance for, keeping in mind we cannot make it available for everyone?
Since we are all romance fans, I think we would all agree that the answer to (1) should be "yes". The issue is then (2). I think the argument here is that recognizing historical disadvantage is good, and we should move scare resources towards a disadvantaged group. This is differnet from simply favouring a group (i.e., we should allocate extra resources beyond project scope to [X] group only).
It's discussions like this that really make me feel like Bioware should just release the last two LI's and get it over with 
The idea is that there is a surplus of development resources that allows for more romance content than planned, but not for enough content that it would be possible to create a bi-LI (character orientation) available to all shapes and sizes of protagonist (race choice).
So then the issue becomes: (1) do we design the romance at all? (2) who do we design the romance for, keeping in mind we cannot make it available for everyone?
Since we are all romance fans, I think we would all agree that the answer to (1) should be "yes". The issue is then (2). I think the argument here is that recognizing historical disadvantage is good, and we should move scare resources towards a disadvantaged group. This is differnet from simply favouring a group (i.e., we should allocate extra resources beyond project scope to [X] group only).
Personally, my preferred option would be to divert those resources to making the existing romances better. I cannot advocate for more stuff for just my own side without being hypocritical, after all. But I'll agree with you in part, but only if said resources can only be used to create a new romance as opposed to improving others.
I'm too confused to jump in on this discussion, but I'm curious, would anyone actually be unhappy if Viv and one of the guys were both Bi and equalled things out?
I'd be unhappy if the other guy was Blackwall. But I don't think it'd be unfair just because I didn't like my options.
It's discussions like this that really make me feel like Bioware should just release the last two LI's and get it over with
They haven't finished barricading their HQ yet, give them time man!
If possible, give resources that are only your own.
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I'm too confused to jump in on this discussion, but I'm curious, would anyone actually be unhappy if Viv and one of the guys were both Bi and equalled things out?
Well, there was this one dude quite a few pages back who wanted Vivienne to be specifically straight for 'reasons', so, I guess some would.
As for if the LI were gated away from straight men, well. I'm never very sure where I fall on the romantic scale--I'm either aromantic or a bi-demiromantic, so it's very hard for me to figure out if this is something I should even have a say in. But, if there has to be an inequality, then I'm all for letting them people who have gotten less in the past have more.
It's discussions like this that really make me feel like Bioware should just release the last two LI's and get it over with
I second this. The wait is doing more harm than good.
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I second this. The wait is doing more harm than good.
I second this. The wait is doing more harm than good.
Nah it's building up excitement and when they do release the news the bubble will burst as always and people will eventually settle down.
It's just us that are biting our nails (well some of us anyway).
It's just us that are biting our nails (well some of us anyway).
By now, I have no nails left to bite. I may need to outsource.
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