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[Vegeta 77]

I would say the last two are viv and solas and only humans and get with viv. For a story reason since trevelyan is a noble from the free marches like her so maybe she would only want to be with a noble and maybe she only want to be with a marcher.

[franciscoamell]

Sasha, that sounds like sexually ambiguous people are either straight, gay, bi or asexual but not open about it. I'm really sorry if that's ignorant. So, can't Merrill be bi and still be sexually ambiguous? Like, a statement from Gaider doesn't change the character you saw and romanced at all.

[Vapaa]

there's no indication that the two remaining LI's will be male.

 

No but the possibility had spawned some "it wouldn't be that bad that gay men had more options than straight men this time around" reactions, which is completely forgetting that lesbians would also be shafted.

[Fizzie Panda]

If we were to have a particular learning towards an orientation, I'd have less reservations with a straight man having less options than a group that almost always gets less options.

 

Not out of any sort of "HAHAHAHA straight white men (of which I am one) it's your turn to suffer" but rather from the standpoint of "I'm more inclined to see the other people get a bit more focus than they typically do."

 

 

While yes, one person's reward can always be seen as another person's punishment, I think it lacks perspective to say that it's precisely equivalent.

I'm sorry but I disagree, I understand, but I disagree.

You see the only way to defeat inequality is not by giving the oppressed more privileges than the oppressors, even though the oppressed do deserve better, but by giving everyone the same treatment. But that's just me

[Ynqve]

Who would ? If the remaining two are all male, lesbians would only have Josie and Sera.

 

Sorry, I meant if they did a lesbian Vivienne and a bi or gay male as the last one. Not saying I want it (I would prefer if everyone got 3 each) but still, that's a scenario where it would not effect the choices available to gay women.

[Allan Schumacher]

Thus exactly why I am pissed off. Screw having people like me represented in games I guess. 

 

I'm blind to the representation of sexual ambiguity.  I've done a little bit of exploration and have learned about things like demisexuality, pansexuality, and so forth.

 

As such, can you help explain and provide some context towards the orientation of ambiguously sexual.  My lack of experience has trouble differentiating it from someone that simply doesn't advertise their sexuality, but could still identify as pan/bi/straight/gay/etc.

 

 

EDIT: I just saw someone else asked this, so I'll continue reading the thread.

[LiaraShepard]

No but the possibility had spawned some "it wouldn't be that bad that gay men had more options than straight men this time around" reactions, which is completely forgetting that lesbians would also be shafted.

 

Would they? I'm all for Vivienne being lesbian and human only and Sola being gay and elves only.

[javeart]

No but the possibility had spawned some "it wouldn't be that bad that gay men had more options than straight men this time around" reactions, which is completely forgetting that lesbians would also be shafted.

 

there was at least one poster who was talking about a bi male and a gay female, I think. But yes, other people was talking about 2 males. The two possibilties got mixed up

[Bluenoodle]

But the praised "gay man would get more time time around at the expense of straight men" also means it's a at the expense of lesbian women, how on earth is that a good thing ?

Wow I seriously hope that's a joke I'm not getting or the sarcasm just isn't translating, because that is such a shallow naive thing to say, not to mention down right insulting. 

[carlo angelo]

Sasha, that sounds like sexually ambiguous people are either straight, gay, bi or asexual but not open about it. I'm really sorry if that's ignorant. So, can't Merrill be bi and still be sexually ambiguous? Like, a statement from Gaider doesn't change the character you saw and romanced at all.

As much as I can understand where David Gaider is coming from in terms of dispelling confusion about a character's orientation, at the same time, what you described, it doesn't work that way. It's not so easily compartmentised like bisexuality, homosexuality, or heterosexuality. After giving it some thought, yes, I would like to see a character who is quite vague about their sexuality alongside those who are sure of their's. But the trouble is, people are very comfortable with labels, and the fact that ambiguity leads to people assuming such and such before they really get to know the character is... kind of troublesome.

[Solas]

so biower, in celebration of 600 pages...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'm just ballparking it here because I have never experienced such sexuality myself, but it's different from bisexuality where there is a certainty of being attracted to both male and female, whereas with ambiguous sexuality, there's no certainity, probably not even at all, and you're only sure of just how you feel when you develop a close and intimate relationship with someone who just... "clicks" with you.

You explained it very well actually. 

[Maria Caliban]

No but the possibility had spawned some "it wouldn't be that bad that gay men had more options than straight men this time around" reactions, which is completely forgetting that lesbians would also be shafted.

Er, I'm the one who suggested it would be a good thing if gay men had 3-4 options. I didn't forget about lesbians; I just don't consider two options getting shafted.

And 'lesbians get shafted' is right up there with 'shove your sexuality down people's throats' when it comes to unintentional euphemisms.

[javeart]

Would they? I'm all for Vivienne being lesbian and human only and Sola being gay and elves only.

 

Ok, if gay men end up having one more option, it cannot be Solas, it has to be Varric or Blackwall. Not after getting Dorian. I'd be just too jealous and I might get psycho. I'm telling you     

[Hellion Rex]

[Fizzie Panda]

Tbh I wouldn't want Vivienne to be lesbian because I wanna play a dude first + romance her, but if she is homosexual than I suppose I could do it

[LiaraShepard]

Ok, if gay men end up having one more option, it cannot be Solas, it has to be Varric or Blacwall. Nto after getting Dorian. I'd be just too jealous and I might get psycho. I'm tellling you     

 

I have serious problems to imagine Varric as gay :x

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

I'm staying out of the sexuality talk, so back on topic of the romances in the game and the last remaining love interests to be announced

 

I really think its 1 female and 1 male

 

Female

 

Vivienne- only makes sense. She is the only female companion left and I could see her being bisexual. I could also see her being an option for humans only for story reasons, as others have said she is nobility and would only think of being with another noble for power and political reasons.

 

Male

 

This one is tough, I don't see Blackwall being one as the older and wiser warrior is never a LI

 

Solas- I could see him being a Bi option but idk about being race gated cause of his stance of wanting to be more than just an elf, though race gating could happen if he wants to be with someone who can dream because of his love for the fade, so maybe he will be race gated against Dwarves and Qunari since Qunari dream a different way so maybe only humans and elves can romance him?

 

Varric- I could see Varric being straight and Dwarves only.

 

So to keep it equal where males will have 6 options and females will have 6 options I am sorry for the Varric fans but I would have to say.........

 

Vivienne- Bi- Humans Only

 

Solas- Bi- Humans and Elves Only 

[CareBear1023]

If we were to have a particular learning towards an orientation, I'd have less reservations with a straight man having less options than a group that almost always gets less options.

 

Not out of any sort of "HAHAHAHA straight white men (of which I am one) it's your turn to suffer" but rather from the standpoint of "I'm more inclined to see the other people get a bit more focus than they typically do."

 

 

While yes, one person's reward can always be seen as another person's punishment, I think it lacks perspective to say that it's precisely equivalent.

 

 

I think that's a kind sentiment and something we should try to practice in real life not just in terms of groups, but individuals.  I was always acutely aware in high school of the chubby kids, particularly females precisely because they were excluded even as other groups had, well, groups.

 

Sometimes when I mention that the women in these games are hot and say it pointedly, I say it because if we're truly heading into a fantasy world of total validation can we not have realistic females in DA?

 

You've given us overly realistic males without problem.

 

That chubby female who didn't get asked out is a gamer now.  She dresses up in cosplay outfits and looks awkward.  I try not to cringe, but sometimes I do.  It would be nice if when you consider groups that don't get noticed or treated well, think of them, as well.

[daveliam]

To be honest, even when talking about gay men, it's always about gay white men, just look at all the TV shows and movies featuring gay characters. That is why Dorian is very refreshing because he don't look "white" in your typical sense. I would want to see more LIs that are not white by default in general.

 

Ha!  Definitely true in general media.

 

Not so much with Bioware:

 

Sky - bisexual - asian

Kaidan - bisexual - suggested to be at least partially of southern Asian descent with a latino face-model

Anders - bisexual - white

Steve - gay - latino

Dorian - gay - suggested to be based off of Indian ethnicitiy

 

So out of the 5 human m/m romances, only 1 (or 20%) is white.  The rest are people of color.

[javeart]

I have serious problems to imagine Varric as gay :x

 

Fluid sexualities and all, he might have changed since DA2 days 

[Fizzie Panda]

Yea, I call this solution the "redistribution of misery" solution, which doesn't seem like a particularly good one to me. 

Yeah redistribution of misery is exactly what it's doing

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

though Vivienne being lesbian and Solas being gay would also keep it equal with 5 for males and 5 for females, being straight would also keep it equal at 5 and 5 but I still think they will be bi.