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[Allan Schumacher]

But the praised "gay man would get more time time around at the expense of straight men" also means it's a at the expense of lesbian women, how on earth is that a good thing ?

 

Because we're talking in hypotheticals about whether or not it's all "just equality" and whether or not it is or is not the same in terms of fairness.

 

I'm also biased and see the situation as being so lopsided towards one grouping.  How do we define a "good thing?"  Is it good that we're precisely even in the distributions?  Then I guess we could cut the unannounced romance options since we're currently sitting at 2/2/2, and just make sure that no race gating exists.

 

Is cutting content "good?"  What is good though?  I fully expect that there's going to be people that are hella pissed off no matter how the 2 remaining love interests fall.  Even if they were bisexual, because there's still going to be people that are upset because they're not getting the love interest that they want.

[Josh902]

Just rember if your heart is broken you can visit the heart smith!

 

http://imgur.com/gallery/xW3S316

 

 

I think the last 2 will be Viv and Varric i mean thats just the vibe im getting from it but i could be wrong id call it a toss up if anything.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

it's different from bisexuality where there is a certainty of being attracted to both male and female, whereas with ambiguous sexuality, there's no certainity, probably not even at all, and you're only sure of just how you feel when you develop a close and intimate relationship with someone who just... "clicks" with you.

 

I'm blind to the representation of sexual ambiguity.  I've done a little bit of exploration and have learned about things like demisexuality, pansexuality, and so forth.

 

As such, can you help explain and provide some context towards the orientation of ambiguously sexual.  My lack of experience has trouble differentiating it from someone that simply doesn't advertise their sexuality, but could still identify as pan/bi/straight/gay/etc.

Sexually, asexuals know they attracted to neither gender. Heterosexuals know they are attracted to the opposite gender. Homosexuals know they are attracted to the same gender. Bisexuals know they are attracted to either gender. 

 

Sexually ambiguous on the other hand, don't have that. As knight_mage_rogue put very well: with ambiguous sexuality, there's no certainity, probably not even at all, and you're only sure of just how you feel when you develop a close and intimate relationship with someone who just... "clicks" with you.

[Vapaa]

Would they? I'm all for Vivienne being lesbian and human only and Sola being gay and elves only.

 

I'd rather they go for 2 extra LIs male or female, I certainly don't want to dwell on "who got more than who" and other "was it deserved or not"

 

And 'lesbians get shafted' is right up there with 'shove your sexuality down people's throats' when it comes to unintentional euphemisms.

 

Oops

[Fizzie Panda]

I'd shut up for eternity if we found out today

[Maria Caliban]

Yea, I call this solution the "redistribution of misery" solution, which doesn't seem like a particularly good one to me.

Having two romance options is not 'misery.'

It's exactly what DA:O and DA II gave monosexual PCs. Were you miserable playing those games?

[Allan Schumacher]

To be honest, even when talking about gay men, it's always about gay white men, just look at all the TV shows and movies featuring gay characters. That is why Dorian is very refreshing because he don't look "white" in your typical sense. I would want to see more LIs that are not white by default in general.

 

For sure.  There's still issues of intersectionality that we'll still need to continue working on trying to improve.

[javeart]

The truth is I think it should be a 2/4/ split, for fairness sake, but my only chance to be happy is get Solas, to be honest. He and Dorian are the only ones that I find attractive a priori. It'd be really bad luck if with 9 companions and 3 advisor and the most romances in DA series, this was goint to be the only game where I don't like any of my options   And I got the bad feeling it's going to be like that 

[Kisari]

I'm just ballparking it here because I have never experienced such sexuality myself, but it's different from bisexuality where there is a certainty of being attracted to both male and female, whereas with ambiguous sexuality, there's no certainity, probably not even at all, and you're only sure of just how you feel when you develop a close and intimate relationship with someone who just... "clicks" with you.

I think the confusion here is because that is usually the description for a demisexual. I've never heard anyone refer to themselves as "sexually ambiguous" although I see nothing wrong with it. If one would prefer not to have a defined sexuality or feel they don't fit that's understandable. I really don't know wtf I am and use the catch all of gray-ace myself.

As someone with a very confusing sexuality, I understand not feeling like you have a set identity and not really fitting into an easily marked category. But at the same time, I don't really expect that to ever really be represented. I never saw Merrill as ambiguous, she never said anything about her sexuality and therefore I didn't think about it either. Unless she straight up said she didn't fit into a category and didn't like to define herself I say that calling her ambiguous is just as much of an assumption as anything else. So saying they "took" that representation away seems a little bit presumptuous.

[Fizzie Panda]

To be honest, even when talking about gay men, it's always about gay white men, just look at all the TV shows and movies featuring gay characters. That is why Dorian is very refreshing because he don't look "white" in your typical sense. I would want to see more LIs that are not white by default in general.

*cough* Vivienne *cough*

[LiaraShepard]

Fluid sexualities and all, he might have changed since DA2 days 

 

well, I'd actually not care if it's a gay Varric or Solas. I like both of them. ^^

 

But I think we'll get Vivienne being bisexual and human only, since she's into power, position and stuff like that. and Solas being bisexual and elves only. He seems like the kind of guy who has a negative view towards other species, because they always judged him for being an elf.

 

I don't think (and hope) for Varric, because he seems like a typical straight character. I don't think they would make him bi. 

[Allan Schumacher]

I'm sorry but I disagree, I understand, but I disagree.

You see the only way to defeat inequality is not by giving the oppressed more privileges than the oppressors, even though the oppressed do deserve better, but by giving everyone the same treatment. But that's just me

 

Well it's a fundamental difference.  For me, equality is in aggregate and if equality exists, then case by cases bases where one game happens to provide a particular orientation more choice are not even topics of discussion because on the whole in their gaming experiences, no group feels marginalized.

[carlo angelo]

Yea, but even with bisexuality there's no "certainty" that you will be attracted to men and women if you never happen to run across any men or women who are your type.  To me some of this just seems like differentiation about typology and sex drive more than sexuality.  To use myself as an example: I'm so picky I spent the first 24 years of my life in almost total celibacy with no notable relationships of any kind.  Yet I'm pretty decidedly heterosexual, just inordinately picky and rather oblivious and thus I felt close to 0 sexual attraction for a long time.  There is sexual orientation, but typology also plays a role, as does individual sex drive.  There is also that weird physical appearance/personality spectrum where for some people looks are huge deal and others don't really care.  I think people get all that mixed up a lot.  It's also really convoluted which is why I tend to shy away from precise definitions.    

Hmm, I can accept that too. I suppose just how comfortable what "label" you see yourself under factors in. I mean, if bisexuality isn't a sexual orientation that doesn't resonate with you as a person, then it just doesn't. And if ambisexuality fits better because of personality, your approach towards sex, and so on, well, go for it. But this isn't to say your experiences are no less valid, and to the others, vice versa. But I'll admit, I still have trouble and am still trying to get a better grasp on this grey area of sexual orientation. And we haven't delved into gender identity yet...

[Alan Rickman]

As I just recently jumped in and read the last few pages, I was preparing to make some spiffy "lesbians getting shafted" joke when I came across the line, only to find I was almost immediately beaten to the punch.

 

Damn you, Maria! Damn you and your quick wit!

[Ryzaki]

Having two romance options is not 'misery.'

It's exactly what DA:O and DA II gave monosexual PCs. Were you miserable playing those games?

 

Yep.

 

My only issue is if they're restricted in a way that I can end up being stuck with 1 option for playing a preferred race =/

[Fizzie Panda]

Well it's a fundamental difference.  For me, equality is in aggregate and if equality exists, then case by cases bases where one game happens to provide a particular orientation more choice are not even topics of discussion because on the whole in their gaming experiences, no group feels marginalized.

And that is what I feel like Bioware is doing

 

Edit: I should've clarified, I'm saying Bioware is doing a good job at keeping things balanced

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Just rember if your heart is broken you can visit the heart smith!

 

http://imgur.com/gallery/xW3S316

That was beautiful. 

[Fizzie Panda]

She's still unconfirmed though :/
I doubt they'd pull a 5/3 gender thing but still.

Painful, isn't it?

[leaguer of one]

Really? Thats unexpected. Maybe Varric has a shot after all.

Sleeps with anyone he won't brake.

[In Exile]

Er, I'm the one who suggested it would be a good thing if gay men had 3-4 options. I didn't forget about lesbians; I just don't consider two options getting shafted.

And 'lesbians get shafted' is right up there with 'shove your sexuality down people's throats' when it comes to unintentional euphemisms.

 

Usually the phrase I've usually seen for the thing being shoved down throats is "the gay agenda", which I find hilarious, because I've started to imagine a literal agenda book with a bright rainbow label that says "Gay Agenda". 

 

Edit: At this point I think I want an actual day planner that says the Gay Agenda on it. I can bring it up in conversation!

[jtav]

Yep.

 

My only issue is if they're restricted in a way that I can end up being stuck with 1 option for playing a preferred race =/

They've already said all gender/race combos will have choice.

[daveliam]

And that is what I feel like Bioware is doing

 

Wait, who is feeling marginalized right now?  We have a 2/2/2 split with everyone getting two romance options and there are still two more LI's to be announced.

[Xilizhra]

Er, I'm the one who suggested it would be a good thing if gay men had 3-4 options. I didn't forget about lesbians; I just don't consider two options getting shafted.

And 'lesbians get shafted' is right up there with 'shove your sexuality down people's throats' when it comes to unintentional euphemisms.

Well, given that others would get far more options, I do consider it shafting.