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[Wulfram]

Cassandra is really awesome?

 

edit:  More serious answer - there was longer to "get to know" Cassandra than Sera and Dorian

[javeart]

And straight men had two and straight women had two. What's the point here? Two being a vast increase over one? It is only a supposed issue when you consider the greater picture of the game having four LIs total and options for gay players. Plus a brothel.

 

Do you really need me to state that 1 options make your only choice having or not having a romance while 2 options gives you the option to actually choose a romance? It's a pretty big difference. If you don't care about it because you can just go to the brothel, that's fine, but I don't know why should you care about other people asking for more options either, if that's the case

[javeart]

There's something I've noticed, and I'm not sure why it is.

Straight men have mostly gotten over Sera. Straight women have mostly gotten over Dorian. Gay men are still somewhat crushing on Cullen, but... Cassandra?

I browse other sites and it seems many women are just not letting Cassandra go. It's not just a handful of people saying they want mods, but lots and lots of women who are swearing to headcanon this lady queer.

Does anyone have a theory about what's going on here?

 

Maybe because people knew about her for a long time and got more attached? Not the I'm over Dorian really but the reveal of his sexuality was pretty quick in comparison

[Milan92]

There's something I've noticed, and I'm not sure why it is.

Straight men have mostly gotten over Sera. Straight women have mostly gotten over Dorian. Gay men are still somewhat crushing on Cullen, but... Cassandra?

I browse other sites and it seems many women are just not letting Cassandra go. It's not just a handful of people saying they want mods, but lots and lots of women who are swearing to headcanon this lady queer.

Does anyone have a theory about what's going on here?

Cassandra has been around since DA2. While everyone else is still "new".

Its easier to let go of something you have only known for a few months instead of 2 a 3 years. For me atleast.

[daveliam]

There's something I've noticed, and I'm not sure why it is.

Straight men have mostly gotten over Sera. Straight women have mostly gotten over Dorian. Gay men are still somewhat crushing on Cullen, but... Cassandra?

I browse other sites and it seems many women are just not letting Cassandra go. It's not just a handful of people saying they want mods, but lots and lots of women who are swearing to headcanon this lady queer.

Does anyone have a theory about what's going on here?

 

I think it's some combination of the following:

 

a.)  Cass is pretty badass and beautiful;

b.)  She is a "type" that has, up until now, been unavailable to ladies;

and

c.)  There are so few females that it's a larger percentage "loss" than it was when Cullen was straight.

 

It's easy for a gay guy to say, "Well, there's always Solas, IB (who wasn't confirmed yet), Blackwall, and Varric.  For lesbians, it was, "Well there's always Josephine or Vivienne....I guess that's it though."

 

ETA:  Oooh, good point about the fact that we already knew about her too.  She was in a game and an anime.

[Xilizhra]

I think it's some combination of the following:

 

a.)  Cass is pretty badass and beautiful;

b.)  She is a "type" that has, up until now, been unavailable to ladies;

and

c.)  There are so few females that it's a larger percentage "loss" than it was when Cullen was straight.

 

It's easy for a gay guy to say, "Well, there's always Solas, IB (who wasn't confirmed yet), Blackwall, and Varric.  For lesbians, it was, "Well there's always Josephine or Vivienne....I guess that's it though."

Quite so.

 

Also, it was still a blatant mistake to make Cassandra straight.

[Maria Caliban]

Cullen has been around for just as long...

Okay. Thank you for the thoughts guys. I appreciate it.

[Milan92]

True.

[Allan Schumacher]

And straight men had two and straight women had two. What's the point here? Two being a vast increase over one? It is only a supposed issue when you consider the greater picture of the game having four LIs total and options for gay players. Plus a brothel.

 

The point is often more "you were given some choice" compared to "this is your option and I hope you like it."

 

A brothel is a sexual encounter, not a romance.

[daveliam]

Cullen has been around for just as long...

 

Yeah, but I think it's a cumulative effect.  Cullen, Dorian, and Sera didn't have all of those factors around them.  The only one that was close was Cullen and there are still pretty sore guys over that one.  (pun intended, for you, Maria)

[Reynes-of-Castamere]

The issue is that two and one is the difference between a choice in your romance and no choice in your romance.

Also, for almost everyone who talks about romance on the boards, it's not about sex with the romance, it's about the story of the relationship.

Do you really need me to state that 1 options make your only choice having or not having a romance while 2 options gives you the option to actually choose a romance? It's a pretty big difference. If you don't care about it because you can just go to the brothel, that's fine, but I don't know why should you care about other people asking for more options either, if that's the case

So it indeed seems that a single numerical difference vastly changes the overall picture to you two. I may disagree but it's understandable, the concept of "choice" is powerful regardless of the actual numbers.

[Xilizhra]

Cullen has been around for just as long...

Aside from being a much iffier and more polarizing character, gay men already had his "type" with Fenris.

[In Exile]

There's something I've noticed, and I'm not sure why it is.

Straight men have mostly gotten over Sera. Straight women have mostly gotten over Dorian. Gay men are still somewhat crushing on Cullen, but... Cassandra?

I browse other sites and it seems many women are just not letting Cassandra go. It's not just a handful of people saying they want mods, but lots and lots of women who are swearing to headcanon this lady queer.

Does anyone have a theory about what's going on here?

I personally think it's (as Ailith mention in the Cass thread when the announcement was made) that Cass is a very atypical for a Bioware LI: she's more androgynous/butch in appearance, a strong/powerful/assertive in personality, a warrior, etc. All traits that don't exist in other past bisexual female Bioware LIs and haven't really existed for a really any LI in the past, male or female (for those women who are bi). 

[Ianamus]

It's not just interactive romance content though. But I mean, BioWare's first game with romances had 3 women for straight guys, 1 (annoying) man for straight women. It wasn't until Dragon Age: Origins that we explored this more thoroughly and openly.

Ignoring this, there's other games that still have romantic connotations. Alyx and Gordon Freeman from Half-Life. Mario and Peach.  Uncharted has Nathan Drake have sex with women.  David Cage's games have featured heterosexual love scenes.  Tamagotchi Life doesn't allow gay relationships.  Max Payne goes crazy because he lost his wife.  My compile just finished so I have to stop, but I bet I could go on for a very long time pointing out video games that have you play heterosexual characters just from memory while the number of games that I can think of by memory where I can play a gay man.... all still provide the choice to be heterosexual (i.e. RPGs that have customizable protagonists).

 

Part of why I don't see much of an issue with Bioware games is because the first Bioware game I played while recognising the company was Origins. I had played Neverwinter Nights and KOTOR as a child but didn't really "get" the romance stuff at that point (Other than some vague memories of finding the brothel in Neverwinter Nights, finding it hilarious, and then being slightly disappointed that the one guy kept telling me to go to the women, who I'd already spoken to. God knows how old I was then). So my experience is mostly with 'modern' Bioware. 

 

It's partly why I don't really count games like Baulders gate or Balders gate 2 when talking about Bioware romances. Some of Inquisitions playerbase won't even have been born when Balders Gate one was released. Heck, I just turned 20 and I was too young to play them when they came out. So using them as an argument for things now seems a bit of a stretch. Mass Effect I can understand more. 

 

And yes, the vast, vast majority of fixed-protagonist games have straight protagonists and include him demonstrating his attraction to women, but I think that's an entirely different issue. When I hear "Gay players always get less options" I don't count games with fixed straight protagonists, because those aren't really options. They are written into the story, and you have no control of the main characters actions or personality at all usually. I'd say the real answer to that issue is to create games with fixed homosexual or bisexual protagonists, with same gender attraction written into the story. 

[WildOrchid]

a.)  Cass is pretty badass and beautiful;

b.)  She is a "type" that has, up until now, been unavailable to ladies;

 

Yup, esp the latter and it's sooooo frustrating.

Also the fact that Cass is someone we already know from movie and previous game as others pointed out.

[In Exile]

Also, it was still a blatant mistake to make Cassandra straight.

A mistake because Bioware should make that sort of LI available to women, or a mistake because you think based on what we know about her character, she should at least be bi?

[Xilizhra]

A mistake because Bioware should make that sort of LI available to women, or a mistake because you think based on what we know about her character, she should at least be bi?

The former.

[daveliam]

So it indeed seems that a single numerical difference vastly changes the overall picture to you two. I may disagree but it's understandable, the concept of "choice" is powerful.

 

To me, a difference between 2 and 3 is not as drastic.  The difference between 1 and 2 is pretty noticeable.  I could not stand Zevran, so, to me, I had very little choice and a very unsatisfactory single "option".  I also didn't really love Anders or Fenris, but at least I could pick one over the other.

[dgcatanisiri]

I think it's some combination of the following:

 

a.)  Cass is pretty badass and beautiful;

b.)  She is a "type" that has, up until now, been unavailable to ladies;

and

c.)  There are so few females that it's a larger percentage "loss" than it was when Cullen was straight.

 

It's easy for a gay guy to say, "Well, there's always Solas, IB (who wasn't confirmed yet), Blackwall, and Varric.  For lesbians, it was, "Well there's always Josephine or Vivienne....I guess that's it though."

 

ETA:  Oooh, good point about the fact that we already knew about her too.  She was in a game and an anime.

 

I think there's also an element of how disdainful some elements were about her once it was revealed that Sera was female-exclusive, straight dudebros saying things like 'now I have to SETTLE for Cassandra,' as well as calling her derogatory terms. Women who'd wanted to romance Cassandra see that and think 'why is it that, after they were so disgusting and rude about her, now they're the ones who get to romance her?'

[In Exile]

Aside from being a much iffier and more polarizing character, gay men already had his "type" with Fenris.

 

Wait, what? I don't think Fenris is at all like Cullen in either personality, background or physical type. 

[SnakeCode]

Quite so.

 

Also, it was still a blatant mistake to make Cassandra straight.

Actually I think they did it on purpose. 

[90s Luke]

I think there's also an element of how disdainful some elements were about her once it was revealed that Sera was female-exclusive, straight dudebros saying things like 'now I have to SETTLE for Cassandra,' as well as calling her derogatory terms. Women who'd wanted to romance Cassandra see that and think 'why is it that, after they were so disgusting and rude about her, now they're the ones who get to romance her?'

 

"Dudebros" are a small percentage of straight guys, though.

[javeart]

Wait, what? I don't think Fenris is at all like Cullen in either personality, background or physical type. 

 

You know, I understand you not seeing the similarity, but I do see it, though I like Fenris a lot and I don't like Cullen much (and actually I use that similarity to keep hope about eventually enjoying his romance)

[Xilizhra]

Wait, what? I don't think Fenris is at all like Cullen in either personality, background or physical type. 

The whole "broody and damaged by magic" thing. Cullen's physical type, meanwhile, is shared by every male human in the game.