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[Nocte ad Mortem]

To me, it just doesn't make any difference if the bi or gender gated LIs are the ones to get a race gate. It wont effect me differently either way if it's the gay or bi option gated off. I can sort of understand if you're more flexible than I am about what sort of character you'll play, but it doesn't make any real difference to me, personally.

[Grieving Natashina]

Cullen, I can see.

Cassandra, no. 

I was thinking the same thing.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Some say Solas' Fade thing could make him gated against Dwarves and/or Qunari

Yeah, but I'm still doubtful it's dwarves, because IB was almost certainly gated against dwarves. At the panel they made it sound like they used "the chart" to make sure everyone got 2 options. If they did and there were two gated males, they couldn't really do that and give all dwarves 2 options. 

[Deviija]

Wait, DG wrote Valen?  Just when I didn't think I could love the man anymore.  I think I have a platonic crush on David Gaider now.  

 

_{Tieflings are my favorite D&D race.}

 

Yes, he did!  Valen's romance is really sweet and adorkable.  Probably in my top 3 romance favorites.  And hey, Tieflings are my favorite D&D race too.  Well, before 4th Edition, anyway.  I prefer the lore and planes.  

 

I loved MOTB; it was also the only game to date that offered romances where I did not romance anyone, because neither Gannayev nor Kayelin were available to my male PC. That made me sad. 

 

Ganny was going to be bisexual, it was planned, but alas.  It never came to zot fruition.  :C  I would have loved to have had my DudePC romance Gann.  

[Grieving Natashina]

I pretend that 4th ed never happened.  Plus, I'm not dropping that kind of cash for the books.  AD&D and beyond over the decades has not been kind to my wallet.

[sandalisthemaker]

Just caught up since last night.

 

Much props, Allan. Your posts are greatly appreciated.

[Grieving Natashina]

Just caught up since last night.

 

Much props, Allan. Your posts are greatly appreciated.

Allan, you've got a duck's back for sure.  I enjoy reading your PoV as well.  

[jellobell]

Yeah, but I'm still doubtful it's dwarves, because IB was almost certainly gated against dwarves. At the panel they made it sound like they used "the chart" to make sure everyone got 2 options. If they did and there were two gated males, they couldn't really do that and give all dwarves 2 options. 

 

Well if Varric's the second unannounced LI and he's exclusive to Dwarves then that'd make sense. 

 

And I'm pretty flexible as far as races go (even though I find humans rather boring). However the problem I have with the proposed race gates is that they cut off some interesting stories. For example; Solas and a Dwarf PC. I wanted to do a Solas-Cadash run because I thought that a Dwarf's disconnection from the Fade would make for an interesting dynamic. Or Cullen being gated against Qunari. I'd planned a mage QunQuisitor for Cullen because I think that romancing him with one would be hilarious. It's why romancing Fenris as a mage was one of my favourite things to do in DA2. It created some interesting dissonance that the strength of their connection was able to overcome.

[Cespar]

Wait, I don't really get involved with stuff like this, but race-gate the straight characters, but not the gay or lesbianaction/lesbianhonest characters? 

 

Sn: I love all , just curious about that. 

[Hellion Rex]

Just caught up since last night.

Much props, Allan. Your posts are greatly appreciated.

I know, right? He always makes very thoughtful posts. And dude knows how to *listen*.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Well if Varric's the second unannounced LI and he's exclusive to Dwarves then that'd make sense. 

 

And I'm pretty flexible as far as races go (even though I find humans rather boring). However the problem I have with the proposed race gates is that they cut off some interesting stories. For example; Solas and a Dwarf PC. I wanted to do a Solas-Cadash run because I thought that a Dwarf's disconnection from the Fade would make for an interesting dynamic. Or Cullen being gated against Qunari. I'd planned a mage QunQuisitor for Cullen because I think that romancing him with one would be hilarious. It's why romancing Fenris as a mage was one of my favourite things to do in DA2. It created some interesting dissonance that the strength of their connection was able to overcome.

Varric is just the one I really hope isn't an LI, because it would be another male bisexual that clearly favors women, if he was even bisexual at all. So, I'll be disappointed if that's the case.

[Grieving Natashina]

Varric is just the one I really hope isn't an LI, because it would be another male bisexual that clearly favors women, if he was even bisexual at all. So, I'll be disappointed if that's the case.

I still hope he's an LI, but the bisexual part strikes a chord with me. I hadn't thought it about it that way, but you have a great point.   Did you bring that up in Allan's thread in the Feedback section?

[daveliam]

Hey, Gaider got rid of what I considered representation for my orientation, so I wouldn't be surprised.

That's not really fair Sasha. Gaider just confirmed Merrill's sexuality and it wasn't what you thought it was. That's different than 'getting rid of' your sexuality. I understand your disappointment, but it's not fair to him to say he did something that he didn't.....

[jellobell]

Varric is just the one I really hope isn't an LI, because it would be another male bisexual that clearly favors women, if he was even bisexual at all. So, I'll be disappointed if that's the case.

 

Yeah, I get you. I can see how that would be an uncomfortable thing for gay players. I was speaking more in the event that the last two are Solas and Varric. Which, personally, I think is unlikely but not out of the realm of possibility. 

[sandalisthemaker]

I know, right? He always makes very thoughtful posts. And dude knows how to *listen*.

 

I just hope the writers shared the same sentiments that he expressed in his most recent posts when mapping out the LI's.

 

I just want everyone to have the same number of options this time around, which is why I want the last two LI's to be a bisexual Vivienne and a bisexual guy (hoping for Blackwall or Solas).

[HuldraDancer]

Anyone think the the race gates are going to be put on for one race two races or three races? I'm still thinking that it's going to be two races gated off for the gated LIs but I have no idea what races would be gated for who. I'm still doubting that an LI will be gated off from all races aside from one though since that just seems a tad excessive. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I still hope he's an LI, but the bisexual part strikes a chord with me. I hadn't thought it about it that way, but you have a great point.   Did you bring that up in Allan's thread in the Feedback section?

Yeah. Some other people mentioned it, as well. Promiscuous bisexuals, bisexual males favoring women and the Alistair/Cullen/Sebastian types being straight were popular mentions, it seemed. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Yeah, I get you. I can see how that would be an uncomfortable thing for gay players. I was speaking more in the event that the last two are Solas and Varric. Which, personally, I think is unlikely but not out of the realm of possibility. 

The problem with that is that lesbians (and straight guys, but I know that's more.. arguable) would have less options. If Vivienne doesn't make it in, that would mean 2 choices for lesbians and 4 for at least straight women, probably 3 for gay men. It's a bit unfair, I think. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That's not really fair Sasha. Gaider just confirmed Merrill's sexuality and it wasn't what you thought it was. That's different than 'getting rid of' your sexuality. I understand your disappointment, but it's not fair to him to say he did something that he didn't.....

Then they should have said bisexual from the beginning instead of the "We're leaving it ambiguous" lies they did. 

 

And don't even start on what is or isn't fair. Them never going back to having companions be ambiguous in the romance department, ergo people like me never being shown as a Li, is what's not fair. 

[Who Knows]

Here's a post I made in that thread:

I've noticed that basically all of the bisexual men act more or talk more about their attraction to women. Their attraction to men feels much more hidden away.

 

Sky - Had a dead wife, and you really have to go out of your way to romance him as a man.

Zevran - Pretty much says he prefers women. Has a dead female love interest.

Anders - In DA:A, he said that he all wants is a pretty girl (and the right to shoot lightning at fools). Does not mention that Karl was his lover unless you play as male.

Fenris - Gets with Isabela if you don't romance either.

Kaidan - In Mass Effect 1, can only be romanced by female Shepard. Arguably the entire thing with Rahna and Jump Zero. Makes several comments about finding women beautiful, including EDI.

There are more animations used with female Shepard than male Shepard while Kaidan is romanced.

 

Bisexuals can prefer one gender more than another, but I'd like to see more diversity in regards to the romantic histories of these love interests and the people they mention they are attracted to, even if you aren't romancing them.

 

Now that Nocte Ad Mortem mentions it, with things as they are now, Varric would be another example of this. I'm not sure if it's beyond help, though.

Varric wasn't really that sexual in DA2, maybe an odd comment about bar girls and the thing with Bianca, but that's basically it. They could have Varric display some sort of history or attraction with men even when he is not being romanced.

[jellobell]

The problem with that is that lesbians (and straight guys, but I know that's more.. arguable) would have less options. If Vivienne doesn't make it in, that would mean 2 choices for lesbians and 4 for at least straight women, probably 3 for gay men. It's a bit unfair, I think. 

 

Which is why I think it's unlikely to happen. However, if all of the race-gated romances were men, then perhaps more male romances were created to fill in the gaps.

[daveliam]

Then they should have said bisexual from the beginning instead of the "We're leaving it ambiguous" lies they did.

And don't even start on what is or isn't fair. Them never going back to having companions be ambiguous in the romance department, ergo people like me never being shown as a Li, is what's not fair.

I understand you are upset, but they never said that they would never have an ambiguous romance again.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I understand you are upset, but they never said that they would never have an ambiguous romance again.

They did say that they prefer having set sexualities. Them doing the ambiguity in DA2 was just since they had only 4 romances to work with. And some people's reactions to it sure seemed to turn them off to the idea of doing that again. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Which is why I think it's unlikely to happen. However, if all of the race-gated romances were men, then perhaps more male romances were created to fill in the gaps.

They may have been, but I don't like this approach. That's still more romances for certain real life groups, which is what they've said they didn't think should be prioritized higher. This may have happened, but I hope it isn't the path they took. 

[Who Knows]

Them never going back to having companions be ambiguous in the romance department, ergo people like me never being shown as a Li, is what's not fair.

What do you mean? As I understand, the "ambiguity" in DA2 came from Merrill and Fenris (and Anders if you play as female Hawke) not showing same sex attraction (or in Merrill's case, nothing overt for any gender) if they weren't being romanced by a same sex Hawke. So perceptually, their orientation was seen by some people as being indefinite or dependent on what kind of Hawke they were playing. So I'm not sure I understand how that relates to a real life person.