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[Pups_of_war_76]

How so?

 

well, for all that they swear they only consider narrative reasons when determining these things, I think they would consider it wasteful to spend a good chunk of writing and animation budget on a romance that would be experienced by a comparatively narrow cross-section of players. 

 

You've got four playable races, each with two genders. That's eight demographic variations of protagonist to consider, if we have both race-gated and gender-gated romances.

 

gender-gating already cuts it down to four. If you race-gate the same romance option, it narrows still further. Potentially by an awful lot, depending on exactly which races you've gated.

 

I expect the race-gated romance options will be whoever the unannounced LIs are. I also expect these to both be bi.

[In Exile]

I don't recall it. I wonder if they're misremembering Isabela and Bethany's conversation where Bethany inquires about Isabela having sex with women.

 

I looked over the banter conversation log on the wiki, and it doesn't look like anything of the sort came up between anyone and Merrill. I think you're right that it may have been the Bethany/Isabella conversation (which, for the record, I don't think even suggests Bethany is straight). 

[In Exile]

This is the closest I can find in terms of lesbian sex dialogue:

 

 

• Bethany: So you've... been with women. In bed?
• Isabela: I know. Shocking, isn't it?
• Isabela: You see, sweetness, men are only good for one thing. Women are good for six.
• Bethany: Six? Which six?
• Hawke: Isabela!
• Isabela: (Laughs)

 

So yeeeah, I think that person was mis-remembering. Looking through the banter dialogue on the DA wiki, I can't find any conversations between Isabela and Merrill about f/f sex at all except when it's Isabela questioning Merrill about hooking up with Hawke. 

 

 

... You totally beat me to it.  

[AresKeith]

well, for all that they swear they only consider narrative reasons when determining these things, I think they would consider it wasteful to spend a good chunk of writing and animation budget on a romance that would be experienced by a comparatively narrow cross-section of players. 

 

You've got four playable races, each with two genders. That's eight demographic variations of protagonist to consider, if we have both race-gated and gender-gated romances.

 

gender-gating already cuts it down to four. If you race-gate the same romance option, it narrows still further.

 

I expect the race-gated romance options will be whoever the unannounced LIs are. I also expect these to both be bi.

 

I guess that's why they created the chart, because I can definitely see atleast one of the already confirmed romances race-gated since the 2 are for Story-reasons

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I would be surprised if any of the monosexual people were race-gated, which I figure people have brought up before. 

 

It would just be bad logistics, given that they have already abandoned the supreme efficiency of the "everyone is bi" approach.

I miss DA2's approach.

[JadePrince]

I looked over the banter conversation log on the wiki, and it doesn't look like anything of the sort came up between anyone and Merrill. I think you're right that it may have been the Bethany/Isabella conversation (which, for the record, I don't think even suggests Bethany is straight). 

 

Agreed. Honestly, I think that dialogue makes it sound like Bethany is intrigued by the idea of sleeping with a woman. 

[azarhal]

See, you hook-up the guard captain with her husband and she helps you back. Oghran did the same in Origins. I wonder who we'll be able to play wingman to in Inquisition.

 

Varric is the perfect candidate for that. Reuniting him with Bianca (if she is alive) or making him realize that the promise he made her years ago doesn't need to be kept anymore.

[SurelyForth]

Agreed. Honestly, I think that dialogue makes it sound like Bethany is intrigued by the idea of sleeping with a woman. 

 

Hella Bi Bethany is one of my more cherished DA headcanons. I'll ship her with pretty much anyone who isn't a Hawke. Or Sebastian.

 

 

It's a video with the female mage Qunari Inquisitor fighting a dragon. I didn't see the full video (to avoid spoilers) and I didn't have the sound on so sadly I cannot pinpoint better, but when the developers go to equip the IB with new armour, one of the items you can see is "Dorian's clothing" (or "Dorian's robes"). There's a post about it in the Dorian thread. We all joked about DorianXtheIB because of that. 

 

 

Wait...companions have their own inventories now? Or was it just the general inventory, since the Inquisitor looted that chestpiece? 

[jlb524]

So yeeeah, I think that person was mis-remembering. Looking through the banter dialogue on the DA wiki, I can't find any conversations between Isabela and Merrill about f/f sex at all except when it's Isabela questioning Merrill about hooking up with Hawke. 

 

Sadly, Isabela and Merrill never talk about f/f sex.

 

This should be happening every other banter.

[GameBoyish]

Hope I'm not too late to the party.

DAO: Aeducan or Brosca with Zevran

DAA: Pining for Sigrun & Nathaniel *sob*

DA2: Forever Alone pining for Varric and Aveline.

[DragonRacer]

Varric and Bianca 

 

I am okay with doing this as long as I get Solas in the end.

[AresKeith]

I am okay with doing this as long as I get Solas in the end.

 

Yep, Varric is the perfect candidate for the whole wingman thing

 

[In Exile]

Wait...companions have their own inventories now? Or was it just the general inventory, since the Inquisitor looted that chestpiece? 

 

No, I'm pretty sure it's a common inventory. It's just that when you want to equip a companion you can scroll down the armours that you have with the character model on the right hand side of the screen. One of the items was "Dorian's Robes" and since it was IB being equipped, he was in the shot. 

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

Seems there are still some supporting gender plus race restrictions on romance options. I am going to give my opinion on this and if someone wants to try and prove me wrong go ahead but it won't work until its officially announced. Lets see the reasons we have been given for race restrictions has been animation and story reasons, with the recent announcement of IB as a love interest and as a un-restricted one to me that means the animation issue may no longer be a reason unless it has been said otherwise, so we can assume story reasons are why, so I will TRY and give my reasons why I think they could be restricted and then why they won't be.

 

Why

 

Cassandra- She is one of the only ones we know a lot about thanks to her not really being new to the series, with her being male only and given what I have seen of her in the past I could see Cassandra not being into Qunari and maybe even Dwarves, I really think out of all the races Qunari might be the one restricted the most even if they aren't part of the Qun for story reasons BUT then again Qunari will be one of the most played races in this game so that might factor in to.

 

Cullen- Given Cullen's track record and seeing how he isn't the most layed back person in the series, I could see him only being interested in female humans or elves, given his religious beliefs and since he was in Kirkwall during the Qunari attack I could see him not attracted or interested in Dwarves or Qunari.

 

Dorian- I have not looked up a lot about Dorian to tell you the truth, I guess he could not find some races attractive but with him being a outsider and already seen as a heathen by most he could careless about what race he is with.

 

Sera- The biggest reason people have given that could make Sera race gated is her being an elf and not liking nobles and so she could be race gated against humans, I do not see this happening at all. Humans is the most played race in the series at 80%, they are not going to exclude the most played race, plus like Dorian Sera comes off as the type who wouldn't care about race and even if the human inquisitor is a noble she would at least get to know them before making a judgment on them, I think she is the type where she would think your actions speak louder than words. She also doesn't like nature so that could mean she has no love lost for the Dalish and with her being a member of The Friends of Red Jenny she has had to work with humans before and who's to say she didn't have a past relationship with a human member?

 

Potential Romance Options

 

Vivienne- With her being the only female left I think its almost 99% possible that she is one of the unannounced romance options. Vivienne comes across as many have stated as uppity, some have called her conceited and even a diva. She comes from a higher order and wants to go higher on the political ladder and so a lower class race liked Elves might not be her thing as human x elf relationships in nobility are seen as  a controversial topic, so really I could see her being Bi but only with Humans.

 

Varric- Based off what we know and if he is a love interest, I could see Varric being straight and only for female dwarves, I don't see him being Bi.

 

Solas- He is the only one left I could see being a love interest (sorry Blackwall fans), every game has had a Bi elf party member why stop now? I really think the last 2 are Solas and Vivienne, I think he will be Bi and be only open to humans and elves. The reason behind this is that he is an expert on the Fade and from what people have said he would want to be with someone who could dream so he could be with them in the fade, Dwarves don't dream, Qunari I've heard do dream but not like human's and elves do, so I could see him being open to only humans and elves.

 

 

My Final Verdict

 

Cassandra (if gated)- Humans and Elves Only

 

Cullen (if gated)- Humans and Elves Only

 

Dorian (if gated)- Humans, Elves and Qunari Only

 

Sera (if gated)- Humans, Elves and Qunari Only

 

Vivienne (if gated)- Humans Only

 

Varric (if gated)- Dwarves Only

 

Solas (if gated)- Humans and Elves Only

 

 

So there you go, really since we don't know enough about the new companions you can't really give a good reason based out of theory alone, I do think Dorian and Sera will be open to any race since they already have a large fan following Cassandra and Cullen could be based off what we know about them, but really to keep the selection at least somewhat equal the two race gated romances need to be Bi so at least they have more choices in the matter over a romance that's both gender and race gated, so that is why I believe the last two unannounced ones are both Bi and are the race gated ones. 

[Lucky Thirteen]

What if they are gated because something story related happens like, let's say, puts humans and dwarves against each other? Or maybe we'll finally see elves go up against humans?

 

You wouldn't want to be in a romance that would end very badly based on world events that would drive species against each other, especially if the LI feels very strongly about their own species and their survival. So in order to keep their story together, characters in character, and avoid fan rage (or minimize it, depending on how you look at it), they species locked these characters.

[daveliam]

Humans is the most played race in the series at 80%, they are not going to exclude the most played race,

 

I liked most of your analysis, but I'm not so sure about this one point.  First off, the "human is 80% data" is also including the people who don't even finish the game.  Given that it was the default character, I don't think that the preference for humans is necessarily because of a strong preference as much as just being default.  Add to that the fact that we are getting a new (very popular) race this time around and I think the human numbers are going to drop lower.  I do think that humans will still be the most popular race, but I'd be shocked if we see them make much more than half of the playthroughs, given that there are now three other races too.

 

Also, if it makes sense for the story, i could definitely see them race-gating against humans.  Maybe not if a character is also gender gated because that would drop it pretty low, but a bisexual character who is open to all elves, dwarves, and qunari?  That character could still be romanced by almost half of the player base, which is similar to the amount that a straight male character would be available for.

 

I guess I'm just not convinced that it's a done deal that humans won't get race-gated against.  To be honest, I'd be disappointed if they gated based on race and gender if it makes sense for the story, but then say, "Well humans are too popular to gate against regardless of the story......."

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

 

Also, if it makes sense for the story, i could definitely see them race-gating against humans.  Maybe not if a character is also gender gated because that would drop it pretty low, but a bisexual character who is open to all elves, dwarves, and qunari?  

And who knows they just might but like I said it was just my opinion, but I agree with you that the gender gated romances will not be race restricted and that the Bi options would work with race gating

[Who Knows]

Solas says he hates when people look at him and only see an elf. It would come across, at least on the surface, as hypocritical if he would reject someone who would otherwise be great for him simply because they aren't the right race.

[AresKeith]

And who knows they just might but like I said it was just my opinion, but I agree with you that the gender gated romances will not be race restricted and that the Bi options would work with race gating

 

Still wouldn't rule it out

[Who Knows]

Varric with just female dwarves seems like a lot of effort for very, very few players. I think it's fair to say that female dwarves are probably the least played gender/race combination.

 

It's also apparent from reading the Varric fan threads (which the developers have done) that a lot people want to romance him with other races than dwarves.

[Phate Phoenix]

If an LI is gated against humans, you can be certain that the romance plot was conceived after they decided to make the other races playable again. I think that would be enough time, though.