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[Grieving Natashina]

One thing that kind of concerns me is that if Varric is a LI, 2/3 of the options for straight women are returning characters who had sizable roles in DA2. People I've had time to form an opinion of. And considering those opinions are "can't decide whether to slap him or hug him" and "occasionally forget he exists" I wish I had more fresh faces.

To be fair, I wouldn't say that Cullen had a "sizable" role in DA2.  Unless the player went hunting for him during each act without being directed to do so, he was easily overlooked past a few quests.    

 

Varric I'll grant you, but Cullen?  I didn't even know you could go back and talk to him in the Gallows after the templar quest until I hit the forums.   From a view outside of the forums and tumblr, Cullen has had a very small part in the games.  That small part means a lot to several DA fans and I'm glad to see a fully-fledged templar get some story time myself.   However, his role up until this point has been easy to overlook or ignore outside of a very few key quests.

[Zellya]

I was thinking about this the other day too. It could be because the last two are the race-gated options (inset acknowledgement that they could also not be the race-gated ones here), and they're still testing to see if they can un-gate them a bit before announcing them for sure. Bull was going to be gated, after all, but now he's not thanks to the cinematics and animation team.

 

And then, it could also just be because they want things to announce at various cons and stuff.

 

Yeah, I'm not so certain about the romance stuff, but I'm almost positive we're getting a big gameplay reveal at Comic Con in a week (probably the hinted Skyhold).

[SurelyForth]

To be fair, I wouldn't say that Cullen had a "sizable" role in DA2.  Unless the player went hunting for him during each act without being directed to do so, he was easily overlooked past a few quests.    

 

Varric I'll grant you, but Cullen?  I didn't even know you could go back and talk to him in the Gallows after the templar quest until I hit the forums.   From a view outside of the forums and tumblr, Cullen has had a very small part in the games.  That small part means a lot to several DA fans and I'm glad to see a fully-fledged templar get some story time myself.   However, his role up until this point has been easy to overlook or ignore outside of a very few key quests.

 

His role is small, but it's easy to have a strong opinion of him if you're not particular inclined to like templars. Plus, the crush he has on the female mage Warden strikes a lot of people as being deeply creepy and is triggering for some ("I like you but I wouldn't hesitate to cut off your head because my duty to the Maker supersedes your human rights!") 

 

To be honest, female mage Inquisitors are screwed atm if they want to romance a man who hasn't dedicated a large portion of his life to supporting a status quo that would see them imprisoned (Cullen) or silenced and chained (the Iron Bull). 

[GameBoyish]

To be fair, I wouldn't say that Cullen had a "sizable" role in DA2.  Unless the player went hunting for him during each act without being directed to do so, he was easily overlooked past a few quests.    

 

Varric I'll grant you, but Cullen?  I didn't even know you could go back and talk to him in the Gallows after the templar quest until I hit the forums.   From a view outside of the forums and tumblr, Cullen has had a very small part in the games.  That small part means a lot to several DA fans and I'm glad to see a fully-fledged templar get some story time myself.   However, his role up until this point has been easy to overlook or ignore outside of a very few key quests.

The mainstream gaming community remember Varric more than Cullen from what I can tell e.g Varric's fans on the official Dragon Age FB page. 

 

Varric is hard to be forgettable, he's a much better archer than Sebastian (if you don't use Maker's Breath to fix his stats). He narrates DA2.

 

Cullen on the other hand only makes an impact to player if they played a female mage in DAO.

[Grieving Natashina]

To be honest, female mage Inquisitors are screwed atm if they want to romance a man who hasn't dedicated a large portion of his life to supporting a status quo that would see them imprisoned (Cullen) or silenced and chained (the Iron Bull). 

All the more reason to hope for Varric or Blackwall then.  

[Xilizhra]

All the more reason to hope for Varric or Blackwall then.  

Not Solas? If I was straight, Solas would be the one I wanted.

[AresKeith]

All the more reason to hope for Varric or Blackwall then.  

 

Solas kinda fits that too

[Ryzaki]

All the more reason to hope for Varric or Blackwall then.  

 

Pfft more like Solas

[Grieving Natashina]

Not Solas? If I was straight, Solas would be the one I wanted.

After reading his character blurb, I think he's going to be a loner and not a LI.  I really hope not, for the sake of his fans, but he seems the least likely to me out of the three men remaining. He seems like an interesting guy, so I don't mind if I'm completely wrong.  As I mentioned earlier, guessing the LIs and their orientation hasn't worked out for me so well up to this point.  So, I'm pretty much up for anything.  

[HackettOut]

 

On the majority human female elven companion, I've mentioned this in another thread, but here it is again.

 

Of DAO's 10 potential companions with DLC, 4 were female. 1 golem and 3 humans. Of them, the 2 youngest humans were romance-able. (Though I can't blame this last one). And Male Human Nobles had the extra option of marrying the human queen Anora. This, compared to 4 non-human male companions (a dog, dwarf, elf, and Qunari) and 2 human companions. Of them, one human and one elf were romanceable.

 

DAA brought us 2 female companions, neither surprisingly human. 1 dwarf, one elf. Neither romanceable (nor anyone in that game.) Contrast 1 dwarf, 1 Fade Spirit (Justice) in human corpse, and 2 humans.

 

Of DA2's 10 potential companions with DLC, 5 are female. 2 elves, 3 humans. Of them, one human and one elf is romance-able. Of 5 male companions, we have 1 dwarf, 1 elf, and 3 humans. Of them, 2 human and 1 elf romance-able. I guess DA2 is more even than most.

 

Of DAI's 9 potential companions that we know of, 3 are female. 1 elven and 2 human. Of them, we know of a romance-able human and one elf. This, compared to 4 potential male non-human (a dwarf, elf, Qunari, and... spirit?) and 2 human companions. However, when you factor in advisers, we also have two female humans: Josephine and Leliana. For prominent NPC's, we have Empress Celene and Morrigan. Guess what? Both human! I know it's important to the story and their characters to all be human, but... it seems to be that way with most female companions and prominent female characters in these games, doesn't it?

 

In fact, looking at the Inquisitor with companions and advisers around the table, I spot 1 non-human woman: Sera. In contrast, I see 4 non-human males in the room.

 

 

And again, of all the female companions across all the games, we've had two non-elven and non-human companions: Sigrun and Shale. None of whom were romance-able. This, contrasted with the much higher number of non-elven or human male companions. DAO and DA2's Dog, 2 Dwarf (Oghren and Varric), 2 Qunari (Sten and Iron Bull), 2 Fade Spirits (Justice and Cole). While Iron Bull will be the first non-elven/human male romance option, that's still one more than women.

 

Would it really ruin BioWare, or kill suspension of disbelief, to write more female characters that don't fall into the human/elf binary? And, while they're at it, consider how not just human and elven women are desirable as romance options, while the characters are being written?

 

That's how I see it.

 

 

 

Just had to bump this. Great post and when its broken down its REALLY noticable.

 

Why cant bioware write in more female non humans? Weve had a total of ONE non DLC female companion who wasnt human/elf and she wasnt even romancable while there have been 7 non human/elf male companions.

 

its not like Bioware writers CANT write non human females (sigrun was fantastic and very popular).

 

is it a conscious decision to make all the major female characters pretty humans (or humans with pointy ears ) ?

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I think Solas, Blackwall and Varric all seem equally likely. They all have reasons they wouldn't be. Solas is a "loner", Blackwall has his calling, Varric has Bianca. Solas's issue actually seems the easiest to deal with, to me, but the race gating makes him seem less likely that he would otherwise.

 

Solas is the one I actually want, though. 

[Ailith Tycane]

And then, it could also just be because they want things to announce at various cons and stuff.

 

I'm hoping they will announce the last two at Comic con, as well as show off the Keep customization. That'd be sweet. 

[AresKeith]

I think Solas, Blackwall and Varric all seem equally likely. They all have reasons they wouldn't be. Solas is a "loner", Blackwall has his calling, Varric has Bianca. Solas's issue actually seems the easiest to deal with, to me, but the race gating makes him seem less likely that he would otherwise.

 

Solas is the one I actually want, though. 

 

That can be remedied by one of the other romances being race-gated  

[Grieving Natashina]

Just had to bump this. Great post and when its broken down its REALLY noticable.

 

Why cant bioware write in more female non humans? Weve had a total of ONE non DLC female companion who wasnt human/elf and she wasnt even romancable while there have been 7 non human/elf male companions.

 

its not like Bioware writers CANT write non human females (sigrun was fantastic and very popular).

 

is it a conscious decision to make all the major female characters pretty humans (or humans with pointy ears ) ?

You can give your feedback about that here: http://forum.bioware...hetypes/page-16

 

That way we can keep this a little more on topic.  

[HackettOut]

You can give your feedback about that here: http://forum.bioware...hetypes/page-16

 

That way we can keep this a little more on topic.  

how is talking about the lack of non human romances not "on topic" in a thread about... "romances"?

[Grieving Natashina]

how is talking about the lack of non human romances not "on topic" in a thread about... "romances"?

I figured you'd want to look into the Feedback thread where they are talking about how to do things differently down the road.  Allan started that thread just for that purpose.  The person you quoted did too.  It's more constructive than doing it here.  

 

Ranting about it has gone into very far off-topic territory before, so I'm trying to be constructive and directing it to the thread where it would do the most good.

[Phate Phoenix]

I was thinking about this the other day too. It could be because the last two are the race-gated options (inset acknowledgement that they could also not be the race-gated ones here), and they're still testing to see if they can un-gate them a bit before announcing them for sure. Bull was going to be gated, after all, but now he's not thanks to the cinematics and animation team.

 

And then, it could also just be because they want things to announce at various cons and stuff.

 

I think that the race-gating on the last two actually is story-based: in that, the romance plots were already there before race selection returned to DAI, and for some reason certain races don't work in those plotlines. Maybe not all of them, but it certainly seems that was originally the Iron Bull's problem. Perhaps there was another that can't be so... easily isn't the right word. There are not enough overtime work hours to fix the problems with the other two. There would have to be serious rewriting to make all the races work.

 

Just my theory.

[GameBoyish]

I figured you'd want to look into the Feedback thread where they are talking about how to do things differently down the road.  Allan started that thread just for that purpose.  The person you quoted did too.  It's more constructive than doing it here.  

I carried the convo there myself.

 

We need more non-elf, non-human LIs, no matter the gender!

[Nocte ad Mortem]

If the last two are really, really only for story purposes and not at all for time saving, then there really isn't any reason it would be the possible bi options. It could just as easily be a previously gated character. The only real argument for it being the bi ones is that it saves two scenes, but if it's only for story, that wouldn't matter. 

[HackettOut]

I figured you'd want to look into the Feedback thread where they are talking about how to do things differently down the road.  Allan started that thread just for that purpose.  The person you quoted did too.  It's more constructive than doing it here.  

 

Ranting about it has gone into very far off-topic territory before, so I'm trying to be constructive and directing it to the thread where it would do the most good.

Cant see it being any more off topic then the pages upon pages talking About things like "demi" sexuality etc.

 

So ill respectfully disagree with you

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Cant see it being any more off topic then the pages upon pages talking About things like "demi" sexuality etc.

 

So ill respectfully disagree with you

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

pssst Kathe, accept my skype request :L

[Grieving Natashina]

@Hackett So, you'd rather just rant about it here then?  Instead of a thread, that Allan created, in the Feeback section for the very purpose of talking about unfortunate romance archetypes and tropes?  Where others have also gone to discuss the same thing?

 

 

Seems counterproductive to me, but you go knock yourself out. 

[Hellion Rex]

Cant see it being any more off topic then the pages upon pages talking About things like "demi" sexuality etc.

So ill respectfully disagree with you

O____o

[Phate Phoenix]

If the last two are really, really only for story purposes and not at all for time saving, then there really isn't any reason it would be the possible bi options. It could just as easily be a previously gated character. The only real argument for it being the bi ones is that it saves two scenes, but if it's only for story, that wouldn't matter. 

 

Yup. That's why I'm a bit nervous about Cullen. If Varric's still wary about qunari, then it wouldn't be such a leap for Cullen to be wary, either. Really, he's at the top of my list for the known LI's who could be gated. It would then make sense for there to be another straight male LI, and a female LI--Vivienne.