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[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

Well, the problem is that there are no real "fair" reasons. I mean, what is a fair reason?

"I had a bad experience with ___ and now I can't connect to them."
"I just think ___ is physically unattractive."
"Being with a ___ could hurt my social standing."

Gating is going to happen, we know that much. Two characters will be gated. I can't personally think of any reasons for it that wont rub someone the wrong way.

I reiterate. if it exists, someone, somewhere is offended by it

[Parkimus]

Solas I can see not liking humans but Sera has showed no hostility towards humans, doesn't act like your average elf and has probably had relationships with female humans before. 

 

Being tolerant of humans doesn't mean she's romantically interested in them, to be fair.

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

I have said it before and I;ll say it again I don't see any of the gender gated romances being both gender and race gated, this is a first time thing for Bioware with the race gating and I really don't see them going that far with it the first go around. 

[Ryzaki]

Like I said, Sera doesn't seem very fond of human nobles, but of course she'll get over it because the Human Noble Inquisitor is just that irresistible.

 

But other companions who also aren't into someone of a particular race or creed won't magically get over it because the Inquisitor is that awesome.

 

Don't you realize that's kind of my point? Human Noble PC's have access to everything, so I think it would be nice if they had to see what it was like to get turned down for once.

 

 

Yeah, because an elf who was reduced a sex object by his previous rich and powerful human master would totally love being treated like a potential plaything from another rich and powerful human noble he came across. That's totally realistic writing.

 

 

 

 

Have you actually been a victim of sexual abuse? If not, please tread no further.

 

*sigh* Because Hawke's a rich and powerful noble when he first meets Fenris and that's exactly how the relationship goes. It's not at all based off mutual respect (yes even in the rivalry) and helping one another. Nope. All about Fenris being a plaything. "And I'm an apostate refugee does that bother you?" indeed. Let's ignore how Hawke actually acts in game and play the evil human brutalizing the elf victim game.

 

Cause you speak for all rape victims now?

[Ceoldoren]

Like I said, Sera doesn't seem very fond of human nobles, but of course she'll get over it because the Human Noble Inquisitor is just that irresistible.

 

But other companions who also aren't into someone of a particular race or creed won't magically get over it because the Inquisitor is that awesome.

 

Don't you realize that's kind of my point? Human Noble PC's have access to everything, so I think it would be nice if they had to see what it was like to get turned down for once.

 

 

Yeah, because an elf who was reduced a sex object by his previous rich and powerful human master would totally love being treated like a potential plaything from another rich and powerful human noble he came across. That's totally realistic writing.

 

 

 

 

Have you actually been a victim of sexual abuse? If not, please tread no further.

Except Hawke was dirt poor when he said that line...

[AresKeith]

Being tolerant of humans doesn't mean she's romantically interested in them, to be fair.

 

Pretty much

[Ryzaki]

I don't mind humans being restricted. I don't.

 

But the "HOW DARE HUMANS GET MORE OPTIONS." is laughable. 70%+ of the playerbase plays human. No **** they get most of the options.

 

And the twisting of characterization to try to victimize someone is just...

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

Being tolerant of humans doesn't mean she's romantically interested in them, to be fair.

It's not in her character to be that way, from what I read she seems very spontaneous , that might be why she is called the wildcard. As I have said you can believe what you want but I don't see the gender gated romances also being race gated, I am very confident in that and many agree. As I said if your going to gate her off against humans just cause she doesn't like nobles then you might as well gate her off against dalish elves cause she doesn't like nature. 

[HuldraDancer]

It's not in her character to be that way, from what I read she seems very spontaneous , that might be why she is called the wildcard. As I have said you can believe what you want but I don't see the gender gated romances also being race gated, I am very confident in that. 

Agreed it would seem strange to do both of those for a LI I'm pretty sure the last two LIs will be Bisexual and have the race gates on them. How many I have no idea I'v seen people throw around so many different guesses from being cut from from two races to cut off from all but one. I still don't like the idea of the race gates but I accept they are here to stay so I'm hoping that the race gates will be two for each race gated LI so all races are covered and no one gets really left out or favored. 

[AresKeith]

I don't mind humans being restricted. I don't.

 

But the "HOW DARE HUMANS GET MORE OPTIONS." is laughable. 70%+ of the playerbase plays human. No **** they get most of the options.

 

And the twisting of characterization to try to victimize someone is just...

 

Not to mention that there are alot of humans in Thedas than the others so of course they're gonna get most of the action

[Parkimus]

It's not in her character to be that way, from what I read she seems very spontaneous , that might be why she is called the wildcard. As I have said you can believe what you want but I don't see the gender gated romances also being race gated, I am very confident in that. 

 

I'm not sure we know enough of her enough to definitively say it is not in her character to "be that way".

 

Also, if she is called the Wildcard, maybe she'll surprise you by not being interested in humans despite what you believe her character to be 

[Ryzaki]

Not to mention that there are alot of humans in Thedas than the others so of course they're gonna get most of the action

 

 

I half wish for all the LIs in DA4 to be human now.

[BunnyisCthulhu]

I have said it before and I;ll say it again I don't see any of the gender gated romances being both gender and race gated, this is a first time thing for Bioware with the race gating and I really don't see them going that far with it the first go around. 

I agree with this, in addition: They have already confirmed the current romances without mentioning them being race-gated. It would be unfair to suddenly to say one of the known ones is race gated, we've already had a lot of time to think out inquisitors who might fit with these romances. Granted, they did hint that Cullen and Cassandra as romances only to confirm that they're straight months later, however I still think it is unlikely they will say the current options are race gated. 

[Parkimus]

I agree with this, in addition: They have already confirmed the current romances without mentioning them being race-gated. It would be unfair to suddenly to say one of the known ones is race gated, we've already had a lot of time to think out inquisitors who might fit with these romances. Granted, they did hint that Cullen and Cassandra as romances only to confirm that they're straight months later, however I still think it is unlikely they will say the current options are race gated. 

 

I don't think this would be unfair at all. Any and all presupposition is on the part of the one doing the presupposing. 

[Ryzaki]

And you don't think the two are correlated?

 

I can't tell you how many players I've seen admit they just played Lady Cousland because they wanted to marry Alistair at the end, and/or just played the human noble because they wanted to become the monarch at the end.

 

Would as many people have played if they didn't have access to the most "objectively best content"? Other origins also got the chance to have equally awesome content? Or other origins (God forbid!) got access to something really awesome that the human noble didn't?

 

We'll never know because every single player vs. environment fantasy game ever made gave humans the best stuff, so we have nothing to compare.

 

Maybe a human being told "no" to something other races get told "yes" for once to would actually incentivize people to try something else besides humans for a change.

 

Considering that tends to be the norm in pretty much every game with optional races? No not at all. People play the comfortable and the familiar. Also Origins was such a long game that the chance of anyone replaying the game just to get a different races content (outside this forum) I'm pretty sure was fairly low. Most people don't finish a game the first time least of all play it twice. The only people such restrictions would most likely benefit would be those who follow the game pre release and we're already in the minority. And you can put as many restrictions as you want I'm not playing a dwarf. Period the end.

 

So according to you the origins finishing of their main plots (CE Bann, Dwarf Paragon) what doesn't count as things humans can't do for reasons? Human King was the HN variation of that.

 

As for Alistair dumping. That was because you made him king. Don't make him king you don't get dumped. It's MAGIC.

 

Probably because of the most people going with the familiar plus 1 playthrough thing.

 

Yeah I doubt it.

[AresKeith]

I agree with this, in addition: They have already confirmed the current romances without mentioning them being race-gated. It would be unfair to suddenly to say one of the known ones is race gated, we've already had a lot of time to think out inquisitors who might fit with these romances. Granted, they did hint that Cullen and Cassandra as romances only to confirm that they're straight months later, however I still think it is unlikely they will say the current options are race gated. 

 

It wouldn't really be unfair, and Bioware hasn't denied it either

 

the story-reasons could be spoiler-ish or Bioware doesn't want to reveal it yet

[HackettOut]

I honestly dont mind the race gating so much, good way to get players to try something they might not normally, only way I'd ever play a female dwarf for example would be if it was the only way to Romance Varric

 

Plus I LOVE that the romances have there own tastes/preferences. I hated how all the DA2 LIs were playersexual

[Maria Caliban]

Well, in the Scuttlebutt poll, Qunari were chosen just a little under elves as second least popular race, but people on BSN tend to choose non-human races more than casual gamers. I wouldn't be surprised if Qunari are actually less popular than some people on BSN expect them to be. I think they'll probably be about as popular as elves, or a little less.

You acknowledge that the BSN doesn't reflect anything and then you decide that it reflects average players exactly.

If the BSN thinks qunari will be the second least popular race then it will be anything but that.

[Iakus]

Yeah I like human nobles being generally unrestricted so..please devs keep doing that.

As for Fenris you do realize he met Hawke when he/she was dead broke and working with mercs or thieves? I mean...Hawke's not rich til act 2 and even then he/she hardly acts like nobility when they're running through the streets like a street cleaner and constantly going to the Hanged Man in lowtown.

Even as a noble, Hawke was still little more than a high-priced merc

[Ryzaki]

Even as a noble, Hawke was still little more than a high-priced merc

 

Yep.

 

I wouldn't even say high priced seeing as he runs around doing broke people's work.

 

Also Fenris is a damn liar "I'll give you gold later."

 

*later*

 

"Yeah I'm broke. I'll work for you though!"

 

"...Oh what the hell. Come on."

 

LOL

[A Clever Name]

 

Considering that tends to be the norm in pretty much every game with optional races? No not at all. People play the comfortable and the familiar. Also Origins was such a long game that the chance of anyone replaying the game just to get a different races content (outside this forum) I'm pretty sure was fairly low. Most people don't finish a game the first time least of all play it twice. The only people such restrictions would most likely benefit would be those who follow the game pre release and we're already in the minority. And you can put as many restrictions as you want I'm not playing a dwarf. Period the end.

 

So according to you the origins finishing of their main plots (CE Bann, Dwarf Paragon) what doesn't count as things humans can't do for reasons? Human King was the HN variation of that.

 

As for Alistair dumping. That was because you made him king. Don't make him king you don't get dumped. It's MAGIC.

 

Probably because of the most people going with the familiar plus 1 playthrough thing.

 

Yeah I doubt it.

To be fair, some of the "happy endings" for the non-Human Noble origins end poorly.  For example, the Dalish Warden's boon of the Blighted Lands is not only a really crap boon (wtf are you going to do with blighted lands), but it's messed up according to King Alistair in DAII.  And the Magi Warden's boon of Circle autonomy is dashed.  So.

 

EDIT: By which I mean people would generally be displeased to see that a HN is getting a happy ending, presumably because they are already a part of the privileged few, while the other origins cannot hope to achieve this supposed happiness.  The malcontent with human players getting to live out their perfect fantasy RP builds kinda makes sense if you look at it from that angle.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

You acknowledge that the BSN doesn't reflect anything and then you decide that it reflects average players exactly.

If the BSN thinks qunari will be the second least popular race then it will be anything but that.

Well, it did otherwise, except more people played other races. The statistics overall showed it was humans > elves > dwarves before, and that's how it is on the BSN, except more people opt for non-humans. It's not really out of balance overall, though. So, I think it's very likely that it could still be humans > elves > qunari > dwarves, except casual players will hike up the human count.    

[Ryzaki]

 

 

To be fair, some of the "happy endings" for the non-Human Noble origins end poorly.  For example, the Dalish Warden's boon of the Blighted Lands is not only a really crap boon (wtf are you going to do with blighted lands), but it's messed up according to King Alistair in DAII.  And the Magi Warden's boon of Circle autonomy is dashed.  So.

 

 

And Queen Cousland and Alistair are having a harder time stablizing their reign I believe than Alistair and Anora would. (Least I'm pretty sure. It's been a while since I read that codex).

 

Not sure about King Cousland.

 

So it might just be the boons are crappy either way.

Wait here it is

 

King Alistair Theirin was crowned ruler of his kingdom after the end of the Fifth Blight, with the legendary Hero of Ferelden reigning as his queen. Both former Grey Wardens are wildly popular in their homeland, though some claim Alistair is not of Theirin blood and that his bloodline as a king's bastard son is a lie imposed on Ferelden to depose Queen Anora. Thus, the royals' rule has been plagued with trouble, both within the kingdom as well as with neighboring Orlais. The Blight greatly weakened Ferelden, and many believe a renewal of the long-standing rivalry between the two nations is inevitable.