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[syllogi]

No?
 

If you remember it took quite a lot of talking to get her to open up and you had to be rather friendly and concerned about it.

 

Eventually she opens up to you and lets her hair down (figuratively speaking).

 

Is that so hard to imagine? Romantic feelings can have drastic effects on one's character. In this case, Shepard managed to break down the wall Jack had built over the years.

 

It wasn't space magic healing dick. It was personal growth catalyzed by the comfort Shepard provided her.  

 

Why so cynical?

 

Because there is absolutely no way to have that same personal growth appear in a platonic relationship with a female Shepard.  Jack ends the game angry and bitter and never lets her guard down with a character she can't start a romance with.

 

I wasn't asking for her to completely change over the course of a few conversations, but I was very disappointed that the message seems to be that only a man can "tame" Jack.

 

Personally, I like to think that unromanced Jack had some therapy sessions between ME2 and 3, and that's why she was so much cooler in my game when I met her at Grissom.

[Reznore57]

Would be nice to get one off bangs like in ME3 (Diana Allers)

 

You mean it would be nice to have a brothel in DAI.

I know Allers wasn't a prostitute but I'd rather go to the Orlesian Pearl ,than suffer an NPC who's only staying at homebase to get into your pc pants

[GriffinFire]

The various romance restrictions seem, based on the dev posts, to be more about the possible number of cinematics than certain pairings being more complicated, so I'm not too worried about Dwarves and Qunari being too disproportionately left out.

 

That said, I, too, would very much like to see "The Chart" before launch.  

[Abelas Forever!]

It would be nice that you could have an argument with your LI and later on you could make up with that person.

[Lebanese Dude]

Because there is absolutely no way to have that same personal growth appear in a platonic relationship with a female Shepard.  Jack ends the game angry and bitter and never lets her guard down with a character she can't start a romance with.

 

I wasn't asking for her to completely change over the course of a few conversations, but I was very disappointed that the message seems to be that only a man can "tame" Jack.

 

Personally, I like to think that unromanced Jack had some therapy sessions between ME2 and 3, and that's why she was so much cooler in my game when I met her at Grissom.

 

Why are you using the term "tame"? 

 

She's straight and explicitly tells a female Shepard she has no interest in her. So naturally only a man can develop a romantic relationship with her. I don't think you need psychology lessons to know that people you have intimate relationships with are ones you naturally are more inclined to trust and feel comfortable around.

 

This is a stretch but it's fully possible that since Shepard herself is a woman, perhaps Jack did not want to feel patronized by her. I know my sister dislikes talking about emotional things with her female friends, but has that one (straight) guy friend who she feels comfortable around to talk to (and no they aren't involved). In any case, even an unromanced male Shepard does not break down her barrier so your point is moot.

[Lebanese Dude]

It would be nice that you could have an argument with your LI and later on you could make up with that person.

 

I would like this. 

[Dean_the_Young]

 
Yeah, well, nobody ever considers what the tall person thinks about that.

I'm definitely done with anybody shorter than 160 cm or so. It's just not fun.
 

 

I, on the other hand, am sick and tired of people more than a foot short than me. The stooping is bad for my posture, and I'm almost certainly going to have a bad back in a few years (for completely unrelated reasons).
 

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa. You get paid to be a cynic?

Cause, I mean, I've got a similar duty as a grad student, but I don't really get paid for that.

 

 

Yeah, it's awesome. I get paid to read the news and talk about how bad it is across the world, and make predictions about how much worse it's going to get and in what ways it will.

 

The awesome part is, if I'm right half the time I'm considered amazing!

[Mukora]

I, on the other hand, am sick and tired of people more than a foot short than me. The stooping is bad for my posture, and I'm almost certainly going to have a bad back in a few years

We're so sorry to be an inconvenience to.

 

Why don't you get us a ladder. So we can get off your back.

 

Spoiler

Sorry, I just really wanted to use that. No but really being short is a piece of ****

[godModeAlpha]

You mean it would be nice to have a brothel in DAI.

I know Allers wasn't a prostitute but I'd rather go to the Orlesian Pearl ,than suffer an NPC who's only staying at homebase to get into your pc pants

 

Are you thinking what i'm thinking ... A brothel in DA:I would just make everthing alright, no more cares about races etc.

[Lulupab]

Speaking of a real romance there is an issue that I like to talk about which is important to me.

 

People have mixed opinions about Anders but when you look at his romance with either gender, there is a red line. If you make a deal with a demon or side with Templars for example the romance will end, no questions asked. This right here is realistic and how a romance should be. Other romances especially Fenris were worshiping Hawke and had no personality of their own. Like you can suggest giving away Fenris to Danarius then change your mind at last second and Fenris is like "no problem" and the romance goes on. I was like what? You can hire a slave and again the romance will go on.

 

I suspect DA:I will make romances like Anders' romance since your companions can leave you quite easily because of something you do.

[Lebanese Dude]

Are you thinking what i'm thinking ... A brothel in DA:I would just make everthing alright, no more cares about races etc.

 

Do you honestly believe there won't be a brothel in a Dragon Age game?

It's tradition.

I wonder what euphemism for vajayjays they'll be using this time around.

[AkiKishi]

No she isn't.

 

Why would she mellow if romanced rather than befriended ? does Shepard have some kind a space magic healing dick ?

 

Well you remember how Quarians had no immune system...

[Clockwork_Wings]

I wouldn't mind a Romeo and Juliet story with the rogue magister and the uncollared saarabas.

[syllogi]

Why are you using the term "tame"? 

 

She's straight and explicitly tells a female Shepard she has no interest in her. So naturally only a man can develop a romantic relationship with her. I don't think you need psychology lessons to know that people you have intimate relationships with are ones you naturally are more inclined to trust and feel comfortable around.

 

This is a stretch but it's fully possible that since Shepard herself is a woman, perhaps Jack did not want to feel patronized by her. I know my sister dislikes talking about emotional things with her female friends, but has that one (straight) guy friend who she feels comfortable around to talk to (and no they aren't involved). In any case, even an unromanced male Shepard does not break down her barrier so your point is moot.

 

I used "tame" in quotes because that what it looked like.  She only experiences personal growth and closure if she has a romantic sexual experience with Shepard, and then she's nicer and more relaxed.  Compare how she is with him to a female Shepard at the end of the game, and yeah, it looks like the game has written her as "tamed" by her new boyfriend.  And my point was that a romance with a man "cures" or "tames" her, so no, the fact that she's bitter and closed off with an unromanced male Shepard, or one who only has sex without romance, doesn't take away from anything I'm saying.

 

It does happen in real life that some people only are able to feel close and open up with people they are romantically involved with...but if those same people are deeply troubled in the first place, pinning their emotional health on a new romance is a HORRIBLE idea.  It's why people in recovery from addiction are told explicitly not to get involved in a new relationship for a while when they want to make a major change.  It seems great at first, but after the first blush of new love fades, or the relationship ends, they are the same person as before, and the bottom falls out.  Using a romance as a crutch as opposed to growing emotionally with or without Shepard isn't something to celebrate.

 

We're definitely not going to agree about this, which is why I generally don't talk about Jack with ME fans.  I don't like how she's written, and I thought the message conveyed by her romance with Shepard versus how she ends her time getting to know an unromanced Shepard is pretty awful.  That's all I have to say about that.

[Dean_the_Young]

We're so sorry to be an inconvenience to.

 

Why don't you get us a ladder. So we can get off your back.

 

Spoiler

Sorry, I just really wanted to use that. No but really being short is a piece of ****

I keep a foot stool for just that very reason.

 

And so that you can reach the top shelf without asking for my help, of course.

[godModeAlpha]

Speaking of a real romance there is an issue that I like to talk about which is important to me.

 

People have mixed opinions about Anders but when you look at his romance with either gender, there is a red line. If you make a deal with a demon or side with Templars for example the romance will end, no questions asked. This right here is realistic and how a romance should be. Other romances especially Fenris were worshiping Hawke and had no personality of their own. Like you can suggest giving away Fenris to Danarius then change your mind at last second and Fenris is like "no problem" and the romance goes on. I was like what? You can hire a slave and again the romance will go on.

 

I suspect DA:I will make romances like Anders' romance since your companions can leave you quite easily because of something you do.

 

Yes, lets chuck our vows in the bin, screw "till death do us part". I think that shows how selfish Anders really was, and by ending the relationship it illustrated his selfishness, silly apostate

[godModeAlpha]

Do you honestly believe there won't be a brothel in a Dragon Age game?

It's tradition.

I wonder what euphemism for vajayjays they'll be using this time around.

 

As long as they use the word plough (bang works too)

[jlb524]

 

Why are you using the term "tame"? 

 

She's straight and explicitly tells a female Shepard she has no interest in her. So naturally only a man can develop a romantic relationship with her. I don't think you need psychology lessons to know that people you have intimate relationships with are ones you naturally are more inclined to trust and feel comfortable around.

 

This is a stretch but it's fully possible that since Shepard herself is a woman, perhaps Jack did not want to feel patronized by her. I know my sister dislikes talking about emotional things with her female friends, but has that one (straight) guy friend who she feels comfortable around to talk to (and no they aren't involved). In any case, even an unromanced male Shepard does not break down her barrier so your point is moot.

 

I think the issue for me isn't a male vs female thing but that there's no friendship path with Jack in ME2.  Her change/growth or whatever then seems to happen off-screen in between ME2/ME3.  

 

Speaking for myself, I really like the character interactions in these games (yes, even friendship paths XD) and there's definitely a strong urge to see any character development among a companion to play out in game either with your PC or maybe even another character...they could have shown Jack opening up to another ME2 squad mate in banter or something.

 

I know I'm not entitled to see the 'character developing moments' but I really want to if I like a character.

[carlo angelo]

As long as they use the word plough (bang works too)

 

If they call it the Plough Inn, that'll make my game complete, since it'll be the same name as the pub I'd go to whenever I'm out drinking with friends.

[Xilizhra]

I used "tame" in quotes because that what it looked like.  She only experiences personal growth and closure if she has a romantic sexual experience with Shepard, and then she's nicer and more relaxed.  Compare how she is with him to a female Shepard at the end of the game, and yeah, it looks like the game has written her as "tamed" by her new boyfriend.  And my point was that a romance with a man "cures" or "tames" her, so no, the fact that she's bitter and closed off with an unromanced male Shepard, or one who only has sex without romance, doesn't take away from anything I'm saying.

 

It does happen in real life that some people only are able to feel close and open up with people they are romantically involved with...but if those same people are deeply troubled in the first place, pinning their emotional health on a new romance is a HORRIBLE idea.  It's why people in recovery from addiction are told explicitly not to get involved in a new relationship for a while when they want to make a major change.  It seems great at first, but after the first blush of new love fades, or the relationship ends, they are the same person as before, and the bottom falls out.  Using a romance as a crutch as opposed to growing emotionally with or without Shepard isn't something to celebrate.

 

We're definitely not going to agree about this, which is why I generally don't talk about Jack with ME fans.  I don't like how she's written, and I thought the message conveyed by her romance with Shepard versus how she ends her time getting to know an unromanced Shepard is pretty awful.  That's all I have to say about that.

Of course, Jack turns out to mellow out in ME3 anyway regardless of any romance, so it seems the writers barely managed to save the plot.

[Lulupab]

Yes, lets chuck our vows in the bin, screw "till death do us part". I think that shows how selfish Anders really was, and by ending the relationship it illustrated his selfishness, silly apostate

 

No somethings are more important than love. These things vary from person to person but they are there for everyone. Fenris is loving a supporter of slavery, a blood mage and someone who considered giving him back to slavery. 

 

Anders cannot stomach you making a deal with a demon (in the fade over Feynriel) therefore he immediately breaks the romance. Excuse me but its FAR more realistic than Fenris's case.

[Abelas Forever!]

Speaking of a real romance there is an issue that I like to talk about which is important to me.

 

People have mixed opinions about Anders but when you look at his romance with either gender, there is a red line. If you make a deal with a demon or side with Templars for example the romance will end, no questions asked. This right here is realistic and how a romance should be. Other romances especially Fenris were worshiping Hawke and had no personality of their own. Like you can suggest giving away Fenris to Danarius then change your mind at last second and Fenris is like "no problem" and the romance goes on. I was like what? You can hire a slave and again the romance will go on.

 

I suspect DA:I will make romances like Anders' romance since your companions can leave you quite easily because of something you do.

I never though that Fenris was worshipping Hawke but maybe that is just me because I tend to imagine that my characters are equally attracted to each others even if their positions aren't. I think that Fenris should have reacted more strongly if you are going to give him back to Danarius but I usually overlook those kind of situations because I think it's not always possible to create confrontations scenes for that kind of situation or make character leave. And if we think about Fenris in DA2 then I think that there would have been a lot of situations where he might have confronted you or leave but they where missing for some reason. I would guess that there weren't enough resources.

[Dean_the_Young]

Exactly. 

Short descriptions of the characters, including their sexual orientation, would not harm the mystery of the game and in fact would make it more appealing for some. After all, your character is going to potentially be spending every moment with these 12 characters throughout the entire game.

 

It's not like we're asking for story or plot spoilers. Hell the character interviews they have released have been great, but I wish they'd release ones we have relatively little info on.

 

*cough* DORIAN *cough* 

 

I don't know. Going by the way some people have reacted and how much weight they put on it, it probably could count as a spoiler.

 

 

Somehow I have a vision that if the aggregate fan were to do a hiring interview for the Inquisition the first question would be 'are you a romance option,' while 'are you willing to fight the demons threatening the continent' would be lucky to be in the top five.

[AkiKishi]

It does happen in real life that some people only are able to feel close and open up with people they are romantically involved with...but if those same people are deeply troubled in the first place, pinning their emotional health on a new romance is a HORRIBLE idea.  It's why people in recovery from addiction are told explicitly not to get involved in a new relationship for a while when they want to make a major change.  It seems great at first, but after the first blush of new love fades, or the relationship ends, they are the same person as before, and the bottom falls out.  Using a romance as a crutch as opposed to growing emotionally with or without Shepard isn't something to celebrate.

 

 

While it's a bad idea, people still do it. It's not really on Bioware to act as mental health professionals , they tell stories. Not practice catharsis through gameplay.

[Lulupab]

I never though that Fenris was worshipping Hawke but maybe that is just me because I tend to imagine that my characters are equally attracted to each others even if their positions aren't. I think that Fenris should have reacted more strongly if you are going to give him back to Danarius but I usually overlook those kind of situations because I think it's not always possible to create confrontations scenes for that kind of situation or make character leave. And if we think about Fenris in DA2 then I think that there would have been a lot of situations where he might have confronted you or leave but they where missing for some reason. I would guess that there weren't enough resources.

 

That was kinda my point, the reason behind it might have been the resources/time but it was bad nonetheless. I was hoping it does not happen in DA:I for any reason.