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[Nocte ad Mortem]

With the tweet having gone out a year ago and tagging the comic, I just really feel like they were probably already planning Varric and Bianca for Inquisition. A year ago they would have already had Varric's plot pretty fleshed out, I believe, because he was always planned for the game and that time would have been past most initial planning. After that point, they could have added romances if there wasn't anything standing in the way of it, but they would probably not have had time or willingness to scrap a whole character arc to make them a romance. If they were saying a year ago that Varric loved Bianca and that's why there was no romance, I'm just doubtful that they were planning a Varric romance for the game. To me, it really sounds like they were planning a story with Bianca.   

[Former_Fiend]

I prefer they move on too. But I feel like they've made the Bianca thing too big for the Inquisitor to really satisfy in terms of "I want to see this story."

 

These aren't mutually exclusive options. 

 

Reuniting Varric with Bianca only to find that in the ten plus years they've been apart she's moved on and fallen in love with someone else and started a family and a new life, and Varric realizing he needs to do the same, is exactly the kind of story I could see Bioware telling.

[Chernaya]

These aren't mutually exclusive options. 

 

Reuniting Varric with Bianca only to find that in the ten plus years they've been apart she's moved on and fallen in love with someone else and started a family and a new life, and Varric realizing he needs to do the same, is exactly the kind of story I could see Bioware telling.

 

Exactly ~ quoted this in the Varric thread, btw. We needed to hear something like that from someone outside our group, haha. We have our ups and downs in there.

[MCG]

What Varric has going for him is that do far Sera is the only rogue romance and Solas is stated to be in his 40's and over despite his looks. Varric is also a fan-favourite request for a LI so he might be revealed last.

[Uirebhiril]

These aren't mutually exclusive options. 

 

Reuniting Varric with Bianca only to find that in the ten plus years they've been apart she's moved on and fallen in love with someone else and started a family and a new life, and Varric realizing he needs to do the same, is exactly the kind of story I could see Bioware telling.

 

That would be exactly the kind of story I'll roll my eyes at, because we've never ever seen that before... If he moved on by wooing Dagna or something, whatever, but getting over his long lost love just to turn around and two conversations later start flirting with you and propositioning a romance would drive me up the wall. I think it's one of the bigger tropes mentioned in the thread in the feedback forum about unfortunate romance cliches, because it really is one a lot of people have had enough of seeing.

 

This isn't specific to Varric, mind you. I love the character, but if he ends up being a romance after sobbing on your shoulder about Bianca I don't think I'll be able to go through with it. I'm really that fed up with the whole thing.

[Former_Fiend]

That would be exactly the kind of story I'll roll my eyes at, because we've never ever seen that before... If he moved on by wooing Dagna or something, whatever, but getting over his long lost love just to turn around and two conversations later start flirting with you and propositioning a romance would drive me up the wall. I think it's one of the bigger tropes mentioned in the thread in the feedback forum about unfortunate romance cliches, because it really is one a lot of people have had enough of seeing.

 

This isn't specific to Varric, mind you. I love the character, but if he ends up being a romance after sobbing on your shoulder about Bianca I don't think I'll be able to go through with it. I'm really that fed up with the whole thing.

 

Honestly I don't necessarily disagree.

 

I'm just feeling cynical today.

[Felya87]

What Varric has going for him is that do far Sera is the only rogue romance and Solas is stated to be in his 40's and over despite his looks. Varric is also a fan-favourite request for a LI so he might be revealed last.

 

Varric is in his early forty's too, and so Cassandra. I don't think the age can be seen as a real barrier here.

[Ryzaki]

I find tragic romances usually grate on me if the people involved don't move on. I hope Varric does, even if I have no interest in romancing him.

 

Yep. My reaction to Leliana's "I'm going to meet my warden again." slide after the US was horror my reaction to Zev's whole turning down Isabela over my US warden a sigh.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Varric is in his early forty's too, and so Cassandra. I don't think the age can be seen as a real barrier here.

Cassandra is believed to be in mid to late 30s actually, not early 40s. 

[Former_Fiend]

Cassandra is believed to be in mid to late 30s actually, not early 40s. 

 

Lowest estimate I've seen for Cassandra places her at 38. Estimates ranging up to 41 aren't uncommon.

[Felya87]

Cassandra is believed to be in mid to late 30s actually, not early 40s. 

 

is not that different 38-39 years from 40. and Solas is said to be early 40's to mid 40's. so an age between 40-45 years. not a big difference.

[Basement Cat]

Cassandra is believed to be in mid to late 30s actually, not early 40s. 

DAI takes place 20 years after her movie, doesn't it? She was a teen in that movie? Or early 20s? Hard to say with anime style.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

DAI takes place 20 years after her movie, doesn't it? She was a teen in that movie? Or early 20s? Hard to say with anime style.

Teenager. There are slight tells that help pin down the age.

 

Hard to explain unless you've spent way too much time watching anime like I have.

[Chernaya]

Most of the companions are a bit older this time around, so most of the LI's will be too. I don't think age will be a deciding factor.

[AresKeith]

I wonder why the devs don't give the characters a direct age

[CareBear1023]

Many men felt the #YesAllWomen wasn't fair either. I consider it precisely because they lacked the perspective.
 

Unless they're completely new to gaming, I don't find the "coming in fresh" argument all that meaningful. They'd have to be completely devoid of other exposure to romantic distribution in games (and maybe even all media consumption).  Given that our games do not exist in a cultural vacuum, the only way I could see a straight male feeling "entitled to be upset" because they have a personal experience of being consistently denied opportunities to consume positive content that depicts heterosexual relationships while being exposed to primarily other forms of romantic experiences.

 

This is what the concept of (male) heterosexual privilege is, because in my experiences it's only an issue once they see the consequences, and then suddenly it's an issue of "all equal all the time."  The thing is, I'm not actually against any particular orientation occasionally having additional options because sometimes things just work out that way.  But there's a caveat, and that's examining whether or not it's reinforcing particularly problematic viewpoints.  So yes, if it were up to me (and it's not) I'd be predisposed against giving straight males additional romance options over other ones simply because others haven't benefited as much from some extra focus.  And I have no problems with some people occasionally getting additional stuff sometimes not as a form of pandering, but because we think that that can make for an interesting narrative.

 

The demographics argument is irrelevant to me because the existence of LGBT content doesn't preclude straight gamers from still consuming that content and enjoying it. As such, I don't consider it to be excluding straight gamers.  At this point I'm almost at the point of doing a lets play of our games as LGBT characters just to prove this point....

If it bothers a straight male, then yes I think that that straight male lacks perspective for why it's not actually equivalent when examined beyond the scope of a single game that isn't built in a vacuum.

 

 

I'm not a straight male, and I get that males can be whiner babies, but as I've been called out on generalizing in the past on here (people are very sensitive but that's ok I guess) I feel like you're doing that with them.  Some of them probably are cool people who don't care.

 

I do not run Bioware, but if I did I would honestly find out who is playing my game, who buys more of the DA stuff and then cater the game to them.  If that's the gay community (which it seems like from this forum) it should have more gay options to reward customers who put money in.  If it's the straight community it should be them.

 

Now, if Bioware was a nonprofit then I could see an egalitarian approach.

 

Look at this forum.  It's 95% non-heteronormative expression.  I'd be conscious of that if that's who's buying the game and then put the money and time towards appealing to them.

[pallascedar]

Teenager. There are slight tells that help pin down the age.

 

Hard to explain unless you've spent way too much time watching anime like I have.

 

Eh, I wouldn't bank too much on it. It's possible that she was drawn as a teenager because that's what the artist wanted, but its possible her writers thought of her as a bit older. I would be surprised if she wasn't at least 18, and probably around 20.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Eh, I wouldn't bank too much on it. It's possible that she was drawn as a teenager because that's what the artist wanted, but its possible her writers thought of her as a bit older. I would be surprised if she wasn't at least 18, and probably around 20.

Last I checked, 18 ends with teen, thus a teenager.

 

I'm not saying she is a young teenager. She is in the 16-19 range. 

[JadePrince]

Eh, I wouldn't bank too much on it. It's possible that she was drawn as a teenager because that's what the artist wanted, but its possible her writers thought of her as a bit older. I would be surprised if she wasn't at least 18, and probably around 20.

 

Honestly, It's pretty much impossible to tell what age a character is in most anime. Parents are typically drawn exactly the same as their kids, just taller: 

 

Sailor Moon's mom and little brother.

 

Sailor Moon (high school age) and her boyfriend (college age)

[Andraste_Reborn]

 

I do not run Bioware, but if I did I would honestly find out who is playing my game, who buys more of the DA stuff and then cater the game to them.  If that's the gay community (which it seems like from this forum) it should have more gay options to reward customers who put money in.  If it's the straight community it should be them.

 

Whether or not this is a good approach (and I don't really think it is) you seem to be making the assumption that LGBT content is only appealing to LGBT players.

 

Despite being straight, I get a lot of value out of the same-sex romances in BioWare games. When they started putting them in I expected that I would like the m/m options (because hot dudes making out = win) but what I didn't expect was how much I would like the lesbian romances. Not because I suddenly had a revelation about my sexuality, but because I found that I enjoyed romancing most of the female characters as a woman more than as a man. (Partly because I just enjoy playing a woman more in general, and partly because I find some of the tropes in them trite or squicky in an opposite-sex relationship.) And when they didn't have those options in SWTOR, I found myself sadly wishing that my Sith Inquisitor could go for Ashara Zavros even though I quite like Andronikos. Not to mention that I like Juhani a lot more than Carth, and will be able to romance Sera in Inquisition.

[HuldraDancer]

Off topic but I was really weirded out when I learned Sailor Moon was fourteen and tuxedo mask was in college. Are couples that far apart legal in Japan?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Off topic but I was really weirded out when I learned Sailor Moon was fourteen and tuxedo mask was in college. Are couples that far apart legal in Japan?

Not for sexual stuff. Sexual age of consent is 18. 

[Andraste_Reborn]

Yes. Japan's age of consent is 13. 

 

Well, sort of. All the municipalities prefectures have their own laws which make it higher, so functionally it's actually eighteen.

[pallascedar]

Last I checked, 18 ends with teen, thus a teenager.

 

I'm not saying she is a young teenager. She is in the 16-19 range. 

 

Yeah, but I'd say late 30s at the youngest. No way she's 16.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well, sort of. All the municipalities prefectures have their own laws which make it higher, so functionally it's actually eighteen.

I edited that. Federal law is 13, but it is overridden by prefecture law which is 18.