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[Grieving Natashina]

I'm not going to lie.  I'd be very angry if they waited until release to tell us about who is going to be race-gated.  One of my initial fears when that announcement was made is that there would be a nasty surprise waiting for me.  One of the few times I was actively angry at a game was Baldur's Gate 2, as a male character.  Race-gating was not a welcome surprise and it made me feel like I was being punished for playing the "wrong" race.  

 

While I know that certainly wasn't the case at all, and obviously no punishment was intended, it really did not leave a good impression on me.  In fact, that's still one of the few things that BioWare has done that made me grit my teeth.   I would have preferred knowing about that ahead of time, and it would have allowed me to plan things out better.  I want to experience the romance content, but I'd like to know a little bit of what I'm in for first.  

 

If, just as an example that I'm pulling out of the air, Cassandra won't go for Qunari men, then I'd like to know in advance that she is gated against them.  I do plan on rolling a male character down the road to check out her romance.  I don't want to roll up the wrong race and find out that I have to reroll because she's gated against the non-human race I picked.

 

I'd rather they reveal the race-gating at some point before the game comes out.  Especially if they race-gate Dorian or Sera.  I personally think is extremely unlikely, but it could still happen.  That would be a rage inducing moment, to have the first gay and lesbian LIs race-gated without warning the players before release.  

[Nocte ad Mortem]

My concern goes; if the last two will be bisexual > who are the last two > who will be race gated.

 

Race gating isn't a big issue to me. I would rather know going in, but I'm honestly not going to be mad if they don't tell us and we know the other two. If they tell us the last two are bisexual, I'll pretty much support literally anything else they do at that point. If gay males are the only demographic down a slot, like some predictions, though.. I don't even know. I'm going to need some time to get over it. It's really going to negatively color my experience.   

[CrimsonN7]

DA:I has the potential to have less companions in the roster that display strictly hetero attractions than those that do not. Unlike any other DA game. Yes, even DA2. 

 

I'll be waiting for all the cries of how unrealistic this is if it comes to pass. 

Why you gotta hate on straight romance options so much, did straighty trample all over your flag?

 

Meh, I'm tired of seeing all this militant dislike for hetero options for other players coming from our community here. You guys want more inclusion for us but you want to lessen the options for others who aren't like us. My irony senses are tingling. And DA2 tried that player-sexual route or bisexual route whatever you want to call it and it didn't work, hence why its returning to the superior route of different set sexual orientations to choose from. I guess I'm rare round these parts, I'm from the community but I don't want to lessen the options for the hetero gamer. Grab your torches now and run me outta here.

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

After the whole Mass Effect 3 ending fiasco I said Dragon Age 3 (at the time it didn't have the name Inquisition) would be their final chance and if Sera is race gated against humans I will rage so hard thatmy pre order of Inquisition might get cancelled by me and might be the last Bioware game I ever consider buying. You don't gender AND race gate a LI you just don't do that.  

[Grieving Natashina]

@Crimson Um...I wouldn't want anyone to get less options either, including straight men.  I haven't seen a lot of people go, "Please take away straight options away from men."  I have seen people say, "I'm sorry if you might not have the bulk of the options for this game, but we don't feel bad for you either."

 

Also, those us of in the LBGT community as well as straight women would largely like just as many options as straight men have.  I've seen a few comments about "straight men should get less options than anyone else this time around," but not many.  I think you're taking the words of the loudest minority too close to heart.  

 

I personally don't feel that way and I know of several straight women and members of the LGBT community that have said the exact same thing.  Repeatedly.

 

Also, I think you're partially misunderstanding here.  "Strictly hetero options," doesn't mean "less LIs for straight men."  It just means that, when all is said and done, most of the companions might end up being non-heterosexual.  If the last two companions are bi, then there would be more LGBT companions than hetero ones.  With obvious representation this time around.

 

What I think that sandal was getting at in this case is how touchy folks can get if "their" companion is bisexual and might be available to other folks of the same gender.  There is some validity to that, as I have witnessed straight men and women complain that they have to share their LIs with other people of the same gender.  Those are the folks I'm going to be laughing at as well.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I just want equal options. I've said time and time again. I don't want anyone to get more options than anyone else. I wouldn't be happy if there were more gay options than straight options. I would be happy if we all got the same amount of options. 

[Grieving Natashina]

I just want equal options. I've said time and time again. I don't want anyone to get more options than anyone else. I wouldn't be happy if there were more gay options than straight options. I would be happy if we all got the same amount of options. 

Agreed.  Equal options.  Not out of spite, or because anyone feels that straight men deserve to be "punished" or hounded in some way.  Many folks, including me and Mort here, would prefer if everyone had the same amount of options for romances across the straight/bi/gay spectrum this time. 

[Vegeta 77]

The right thing to do is make it equal. Its not a good thing if others get more options equal is the right choice.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Agreed.  Equal options.  Not out of spite, or because anyone feels that straight men deserve to be "punished" or hounded in some way.  Many folks, including me and Mort here, would prefer if everyone, straight or not, had the same amount of options for romances. 

Yeah, it's just that. I have no ill will towards straight people. I hope they like their options and I'll back them up without a doubt if I do feel like they're getting the short end. It's not malicious. I just want the same amount of options that they have. I didn't even mind the "all bi" system and wouldn't be upset in the least if we went back to it. I have no desire to take things away from the other side. It's unfortunate that some people take wanting an equal shot at what they've always had as vindictively taking something away.   

[sandalisthemaker]

I want everyone to have the same number of options as well. In order for everyone to have that equal number, there would have to be more non-straight companions than straight companions. I was simply pointing out that this would be a first.

 

DAO had 7 out of 9 characters who displayed strictly hetero attraction. Not counting dog in this obviously.

 

DA2 had 5 out of 9.

 

DA:I, if the romances are equal and balanced could potentially only have 3 out of 8. Not counting Cole obviously.

[azarhal]

I want everyone to have the same number of options as well. In order for everyone to have that equal number, there would have to be more non-straight companions than straight companions. I was simply pointing out that this would be a first.

 

When you say you want everyone to have the same number of options, are talking about race/sexuality/gender or sexuality/gender?

 

What is more important to you

that the game have 3 gays choices and 3 straight choices, but that dwarven male PC only have a single gay choices and the Qunari female have only one straight choice.

or

that every races have at least 2 choices in each gender/sexuality pool, some having more than others because of the LIs orientations not actually being even.

[Chron0id]

I think it's most important that the Qunari male players are able to get a harem.  No other race should be able to do so.  That would be the fairest option for everyone.  Yep. 

[Magdalena11]

I really hope they reveal the last two LIs and the race-gated LIs next time.  Simply put, tell me what race and gender I have to play to romance the companion I've already selected without hearing a single word of dialogue or experiencing a single interaction.  Right.  That reads just fine.  I'm not in any way being premature.  I'm merely expressing a healthy anticipation.

 

Seriously, though.  If there are companions who will not be receptive to certain races' or classes' advances, I really do hope there is a hint of it at some point.  It would be a tremendous letdown to have my heart set on romancing Cullen with my Qunari mage only to discover he's gated, especially considering my luck and timing.  You know that person who asks the most popular kid in school to the prom the day after they accept a date from someone else?  That would be me.

 

I suspect that since there has been so much talk about decisions that matter, consequences, etc., the one thing DA2 is going to impact the most is the player's relationship with Varric.  I think the fun guy from DA2 is going to be witty and charming, but also bitter and tired.  He and Cass have been in this mess from the beginning and they're probably both just about full.  Since Cass came late to the party, I don't see her caring on way or another about a Qunari inquisitor, but I can see why both Cullen and Varric might have problems.  I don't think dwarves and elves are going to face the same challenges romantically that Qunari do, strictly from a role-playing perspective.  I'd actually be a little disappointed if, after promising more reactivity to race the game wound up delivering a vanilla experience to all.  I might not like the licorice jelly beans but I'd rather take my chances that I'll get one than accept that everyone is getting the green ones so deal with it.  I hope that makes sense.

[Grieving Natashina]

Real world representation > Fictional race representation, at least for me.

 

For example, I'm a huge fan of a Varric romance.  I've been wanting to see if BioWare could do a dwarven romance for several years.    However, it's much more important to me that more of a fair and balanced representation of various sexualities has an equal LIs amount to choose from.  

 

If that means that a dwarven race LI isn't going to happen, (I don't see Varric as bi,)  then I'll be happy to let the idea go until another game.  I would be a little down, for sure, but I'd rather see representation of real world sexualites come before any sort of fictional race representation.

[Former_Fiend]

Apparently hareming isn't an option at all this time around. Once you're in a romance you're locked out of the others(unless, presumably, you end your existing romance).

 

Which disappoints me to no end. I try to do at least one **** run per gender.

[sandalisthemaker]

When you say you want everyone to have the same number of options, are talking about race/sexuality/gender or sexuality/gender?

 

What is more important to you

that the game have 3 gays choices and 3 straight choices, but that dwarven male PC only have a single gay choices and the Qunari female have only one straight choice.

or

that every races have at least 2 choices in each gender/sexuality pool, some having more than others because of the LIs orientations not actually being even.

 

Ultimately the bolded is what really matters to me, personally.

 

I don't like the whole race-gating concept and I wish it wasn't happening. So unnecessary especially if it is just for story reasons, but it is what it is at this point and it will probably prevent things from being truly equal.

[HuldraDancer]

Even though I doubt this is going to happen what I think would be a good way to handle the race gates is to have both of those LIs gated for two races like example one is gated from humans and qunari and the other is gated from dwarves and elves so it still comes out semi evenish. But I've got a feeling that Humans and Elves will have the pick of the crop while Dwarves and Qunaris will be less lucky.

[BabyFratelli]

Apparently hareming isn't an option at all this time around. Once you're in a romance you're locked out of the others(unless, presumably, you end your existing romance).

 

Which disappoints me to no end. I try to do at least one **** run per gender.

 

You can probably still 'harmlessly' flirt with other people.

 

flirt with all the unromanceables!!!

[lil yonce]

I understand most people play only their own gender, thus care mostly about who's available to them, but I don't, and want the 2-4-2 straight-bisexual-gay model. Its the most fair to me. And I'd still feel the same if I played only straight females. I mean, someone is getting screwed in a 3-2-3 setup, and whoever it is is going to be pissed.

[LobselVith8]

Real world representation > Fictional race representation, at least for me.

 

What I find odd is how this thread keeps veering into the idea that a choice has to be made between representative for people of different sexual orientations, and the representation of different fictional races and their availability as romance options. This isn't the Kobayashi Maru test. I think it's possible to do both without having to sacrifice one for the other. I don't understand why this thread keeps veering into this area of people treating it as though it has to be one or the other, as though we can only have fair representation for people of different sexual orientations or fair representation for fictional races.

[SerCambria358]

Apparently hareming isn't an option at all this time around. Once you're in a romance you're locked out of the others(unless, presumably, you end your existing romance).

 

Which disappoints me to no end. I try to do at least one **** run per gender.

Was this confirmed?

[BabyFratelli]

Was this confirmed?

 

Yess. A Dev explained that once you're locked in to a romance other flirt options become unavailable. I'm not sure where the quote is though. 

[Phate Phoenix]

Yess. A Dev explained that once you're locked in to a romance other flirt options become unavailable. I'm not sure where the quote is though. 

 

That would be Patrick Weekes:

 

Patrick Weekes‏@PatrickWeekes

@JoeCal1969 Once you have started a romance, most flirts with everyone else get locked off. A few friendly ones might stick around, though.

[SerCambria358]

Yess. A Dev explained that once you're locked in to a romance other flirt options become unavailable. I'm not sure where the quote is though. 

That upsets me despite me almost never cheating, no idea why.

 

I guess i was curious as to how the various characters would handle discovering that you arent being faithful