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[Phate Phoenix]

I heard at least one of the last will be neither of those groups.

 

Naw, they corrected themselves pretty quick on that. There are non-advisor, non-companion flirts, but no actual romances.

[Dirgegun]

I heard at least one of the last will be neither of those groups.

 

It was later rectified that you can only flirt with the character who isn't a part of the companions/advisors line up.

 

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[Chron0id]

Varric is going to be one of the romances.  Mark my words.  And obviously he's going to be race gated for female Dwarves only.  The reasoning behind this is simple: Dwarves are obviously the hardest to program in this romance sequences with the other races.  It makes the most sense.  As for the other LI, I have no freaking clue.  But I am almost positive Varric is going to be one of them. 

[wright1978]

She also left him behind when she took her entire House, so I was never certain if she genuinely loved Oghren at one point, or if it was simply a matter of tradition (due to how dwarven society operates).

 

I'd always assumed they drifted due to his lifestyle rather than not loving one another. There was a entry in Branka's journal in deep roads that seemed to suggest affection for him. As someone else said things are vague enough for various interpretations i suppose unless word of god emerges.

[LobselVith8]

I heard at least one of the last will be neither of those groups.

 

Unfortunately, the last hope that a non-Andrastian love interest might be available (for players looking to pursue a romance with a woman as a male Inquisitor) pretty much died; no elven or dwarven romance, or even qunari.

[Chron0id]

Unfortunately, the last hope that a non-Andrastian love interest might be available (for players looking to pursue a romance with a woman as a male Inquisitor) pretty much died; no elven or dwarven romance, or even qunari.

Yeah, this disappointed me more than anything else.  Especially the no qunari female thing. 

[LiaraShepard]

Unfortunately, the last hope that a non-Andrastian love interest might be available (for players looking to pursue a romance with a woman as a male Inquisitor) pretty much died; no elven or dwarven romance, or even qunari.

 

Just because Vivienne is pro circle doesn't mean that she's pro Andraste as well. Maybe she just wanna help the circle to get more power because she plans to have Orlais ruled by mages...like in Tevinter.

[Sylvianus]

Varric is going to be one of the romances.  Mark my words.  And obviously he's going to be race gated for female Dwarves only.  The reasoning behind this is simple: Dwarves are obviously the hardest to program in this romance sequences with the other races.  It makes the most sense.  As for the other LI, I have no freaking clue.  But I am almost positive Varric is going to be one of them. 

 

David Gaider said, he would consider set sexualities if it could be equal in the past. And recently he approximatively said Bioware values fairness between sexualities and gender, but doesn't care that much about fairness with races however ( obviously because they don't represent anyone in real life ) , so I consider Varric possible only if he is bisexual. I'm thinking about 2/4/2 with Solas. 

 

But if Varric is race gated for female dwarves only, I promise, I will eat my hat. 

[LobselVith8]

Just because Vivienne is pro circle doesn't mean that she's pro Andraste as well. Maybe she just wanna help the circle to get more power because she plans to have Orlais ruled by mages...like in Tevinter.

 

I was talking about culturally, as pursuing a romance with a woman as a man is limited to pursuing one of the Andrastian humans available. As Sylvianus noted, Gaider has said they don't care about making the ratio between races equal, given how they are fictional. Of course, fan demand has changed things like this in the past, such as the persistent atheist debates leading to a shift in allowing the protagonist to express disbelief in Inquisition.

[Ianamus]

I was talking about culturally, as pursuing a romance with a woman as a man is limited to pursuing one of the Andrastian humans available. As Sylvianus noted, Gaider has said they don't care about making the ratio between races equal, given how they are fictional. Of course, fan demand has changed things like this in the past, such as the persistent atheist debates leading to a shift in allowing the protagonist to express disbelief in Inquisition.

 

Equal ratio between races and non-Andrastian LI's are two completely different things. 

[LiaraShepard]

I was talking about culturally, as pursuing a romance with a woman as a man is limited to pursuing one of the Andrastian humans available. As Sylvianus noted, Gaider has said they don't care about making the ratio between races equal, given how they are fictional. Of course, fan demand has changed things like this in the past, such as the persistent atheist debates leading to a shift in allowing the protagonist to express disbelief in Inquisition.

 

Yes, they are all humans. But what do you mean with "Andrastian"? As I said before, it's not clear that Vivienne is a worshipper of Andraste. 

[Vapaa]

The reasoning behind this is simple: Dwarves are obviously the hardest to program in this romance sequences with the other races.

 

I don't see how a dwarf/dwarf romance would be inherently more difficult than human/human or elf/elf.

[Milan92]

David Gaider said, he would consider set sexualities if it could be equal in the past. And recently he approximatively said Bioware values fairness between sexualities and gender, but doesn't care that much about fairness with races however ( obviously because they don't represent anyone in real life ) , so I consider Varric possible only if he is bisexual. I'm thinking about 2/4/2 with Solas. 

 

But if Varric is race gated for female dwarves only, I promise, I will eat my hat. 

 

Should Varric be a LI then I'm expecting him to be race-gated and female dwarf only. But then it would disrupt the balance between the genders. 

 

Hence why I'm not expecting Varric to be one. I'm still betting on both Vivienne and Solas beign bi.

[LobselVith8]

Equal ratio between races and non-Andrastian LI's are two completely different things. 

 

If the ration between races is unequal, then it stands to reason the ratio between available love interests will be as well.

[leadintea]

I'd prefer a 5/3 split. Every woman on the team being a current or former romance option bothers me more than some groups getting three choices while others get two. Truthfully, I wish they'd just have done six romances and 2/2/2.

 

I agree with this. I would actually find it more offensive that all the women in the Inquisition can pretty much be bedded than I would be over unequal options. I mean, why do all the women have the potential to give it up to someone and go through the romantic game whereas a male can concentrate on other matters that don't involve their desire to be with another? It'd be great if Vivienne concentrated more on her social status than have a romantic subplot kinda get in the way of that or even influence it. I'd really like for there to be more companions that don't have any romantic inclinations and would focus more on other things like their career, health, social standing, etc. Hell, I'd even love having a companion that's already gone through all the romantic nonsense and is HAPPILY married with kids (no cheating or Thane nonsense) and has a storyline that focuses on how they're trying to be good parents or how they want their kids to have a good life and so forth than have yet another companion deal with the whole drama/sappiness of falling in love.

[Ianamus]

If the ration between races is unequal, then it stands to reason the ratio between available love interests will be as well.

 

The LI's races perhaps, but not their culture/religion. 

[Former_Fiend]

She also left him behind when she took her entire House, so I was never certain if she genuinely loved Oghren at one point, or if it was simply a matter of tradition (due to how dwarven society operates).

 

Oghren also relates how before she left their sex life was both active and satisfying, if not particularly healthy. I imagine that if she was a lesbian who married just for advancement it would have been lacking in one way or another, although that could well be my own misconception.

 

And, of course, this is Oghren we're talking about. Whether or not you consider him a reliable source is a question everyone has to answer for themselves.

[LobselVith8]

Yes, they are all humans. But what do you mean with "Andrastian"? As I said before, it's not clear that Vivienne is a worshipper of Andraste. 

 

From Andrastian culture - one of the Andrastian kingdoms, basically (as opposed to one of the Dalish clans or Orzammar). For example, my Surana Warden was from the Denerim Alienage and the Circle of Ferelden, so he was culturally Andrastian, but he was an atheist, while Dagna (who will apparently show up in Inquisition) was from Orzammar, so her background isn't Andrastian.

[AresKeith]

If the ration between races is unequal, then it stands to reason the ratio between available love interests will be as well.

 

Not really

[LobselVith8]

Not really

 

If there is an unequal number in the available races, I don't see how that's the case. It's why a male Inquisitor can't pursue a romance with a female elf, dwarf, or qunari in Inquisition, for example.

[Phate Phoenix]

Should Varric be a LI then I'm expecting him to be race-gated and female dwarf only. But then it would disrupt the balance between the genders. 

 

Hence why I'm not expecting Varric to be one. I'm still betting on both Vivienne and Solas beign bi.

 

Fingers crossed over here.

[Sylvianus]

I agree with this. I would actually find it more offensive that all the women in the Inquisition can pretty much be bedded than I would be over unequal options. I mean, why do all the women have the potential to give it up to someone and go through the romantic game whereas a male can concentrate on other matters that don't involve their desire to be with another? It'd be great if Vivienne concentrated more on her social status than have a romantic subplot kinda get in the way of that or even influence it. I'd really like for there to be more companions that don't have any romantic inclinations and would focus more on other things like their career, health, social standing, etc. Hell, I'd even love having a companion that's already gone through all the romantic nonsense and is HAPPILY married with kids (no cheating or Thane nonsense) and has a storyline that focuses on how they're trying to be good parents or how they want their kids to have a good life and so forth than have yet another companion deal with the whole drama/sappiness of falling in love.

 

Eeeer, what about Leliana ?  Advisors are considered as companions, fully written as companions.... They are just not mobile. Leliana is unromanceable as Aveline was, and one lesbian won't be available to male players, and one straight girl won't be available to lesbians. Which gives two unromanceable female characters in any playthrough.

 

In DAII, we could romance anyone but Aveline among the female characters. I'm not seeing the difference.

[leadintea]

Eeeer, what about Leliana ?  Advisors are considered as companions, fully written as companions.... They are just not mobile. Leliana is unromanceable as Aveline was, and one lesbian won't be available to male players, and one straight girl won't be available to lesbians. Which gives two unromanceable female characters in any playthrough.

 

In DAII, we could romance anyone but Aveline among the female characters. I'm not seeing the difference.

 

Leliana was a potential romance for the Warden and Aveline had her thing with Donnic.

[Sylvianus]

Leliana was a potential romance for the Warden and Aveline had her thing with Donnic.

 

Exactly. Leliana has her thing with the warden an npc in DAI, like Aveline has her thing with Donnic, another npc in DAII. ( also my warden didn't romance Leliana in DAO, but morrigan, so she is alone )

[Ianamus]

Cassandra is from Nevarra, a country that we have not met many people from and never had a companion from. She was also a high-ranking member of the Chantry and a Seeker of truth. These are all new perspectives that we have not seen before in a companion or an LI. She is also the first female warrior LI. 

 

Josephine is a noblewoman from Antiva. While Zevran talked about the underbelly of Antiva we have not had an LI from a wealthy Antivan family before, or an LI who is knowledgeable about the politics of Thedas. She provides new perspectives we have not seen before. 

 

And Sera is a city elf who worked with the friends of red jenny. Since Zevran was raised to be an assassin we have not had a city elf who grew up on the streets as a companion or LI before, and don't know much about what the friends of red jenny are. She also provides new perspectives. 

 

I'd much rather have these than, for example, another dalish elf, which is something we already experienced in-depth with both Merrill in the previous game and Velanna in Awakening.