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[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

Whens the next DAI event? Next week I believe?

[carlo angelo]

Eeeer, what about Leliana ?  Advisors are considered as companions, fully written as companions.... They are just not mobile. Leliana is unromanceable as Aveline was, and one lesbian won't be available to male players, and one straight girl won't be available to lesbians. Which gives two unromanceable female characters in any playthrough.

 

In DAII, we could romance anyone but Aveline among the female characters. I'm not seeing the difference.

Maybe because of the fact that Leliana could have been already romanced by the Warden in Origins, and implementing the story and the ramifications of her availability while she may or may not have been romanced could have been too complicated to handle. While I don't have any issue with Vivienne being romanceable (in fact, I want her to be romanceable by both sexes), I personally wouldn't have any issue if Vivienne isn't, on the basis that there are some prominent female characters that aren't open for romance for reasons that fit her characterisation and her agency.

 

But on the other hand, like I said before threads ago, I would prefer Vivienne as a romanceable companion alongside a male companion (namely Solas) as the last-to-be-revealed, race-gated, bisexual characters for an even gender and sexual orientation split.

[AresKeith]

Cassandra is from Nevarra, a country that we have not met many people from and never had a companion from. She was also a high-ranking member of the Chantry and a Seeker of truth. These are all new perspectives that we have not seen before in a companion or an LI. She is also the first female warrior LI. 

 

Josephine is a noblewoman from Antiva. While Zevran talked about the underbelly of Antiva we have not had an LI from a wealthy Antivan family before, or an LI who is knowledgeable about the politics of Thedas. She provides new perspectives we have not seen before. 

 

And Sera is a city elf who worked with the friends of red jenny. Since Zevran was raised to be an assassin we have not had a city elf who grew up on the streets as a companion or LI before, and don't know much about what the friends of red jenny are. She also provides new perspectives. 

 

I'd much rather have these than, for example, another dalish elf, which is something we already experienced in-depth with Merrill in the previous game.

 

Exactly, having a diverse cast doesn't always mean multiple races

[Sylvianus]

Maybe because of the fact that Leliana could have been already romanced by the Warden in Origins, and implementing the story and the ramifications of her availability while she may or may not have been romanced could have been too complicated to handle. While I don't have any issue with Vivienne being romanceable (in fact, I want her to be romanceable by both sexes), I personally wouldn't have any issue if Vivienne isn't, on the basis that there are some prominent female characters that aren't open for romance for reasons that fit her characterisation and her agency.

 

But on the other hand, like I said before threads ago, I would prefer Vivienne as a romanceable companion alongside a male companion (namely Solas) as the last-to-be-revealed, race-gated, bisexual characters for an even gender and sexual orientation split.

 

I don't personally think it's really fair ( even if I could understand the concern ) to dismiss Leliana just because she could be a potential romance in a previous game, ( and I say could be because I didn't romance Leliana but Morrigan and she will be alone in my DAI playthrough ) We are ten years after the events of DAO. The warden has become irrelevant. Leliana is the right or left hand of the divine for years now, she has her own agenda since a long time ago, and she will have her own agenda like Aveline in DA:I and she won't bed the inquisitor, no matter what, regardless of the gender and race. So for me she does count.

 

I'm fine with people wanting a 5/3 because of that, but I honestly don't think I could agree. 

[LobselVith8]

I'd much rather have these than, for example, another dalish elf, which is something we already experienced in-depth with both Merrill in the previous game and Velanna in Awakening. 

 

While there are people who would rather have love interests who aren't from Andrastian cultures. A male/female elven romance option has never been available for players who chose a male elf, a female dwarven love interest hasn't happened for three games now (with the last game excluding dwarven women entirely), and a female qunari love interest seems to be in the same sphere as a female dwarf in terms of unavailability. Three different shades of Andrastian isn't really that diverse in comparison.

[AirWerewolf]

I agree with this. I would actually find it more offensive that all the women in the Inquisition can pretty much be bedded than I would be over unequal options. I mean, why do all the women have the potential to give it up to someone and go through the romantic game whereas a male can concentrate on other matters that don't involve their desire to be with another?

 

Maybe it wouldn't have been an issue if the gender ratio wasn't 6:3, just saying. 

[leadintea]

I don't personally think it's really fair ( even if I could understand the concern ) to dismiss Leliana just because she could be a potential romance in a previous game, ( and I say could be because I didn't romance Leliana but Morrigan and she will be alone in my DAI playthrough ) We are ten years after the events of DAO. The warden has become irrelevant. Leliana is the right or left hand of the divine for years now, she has her own agenda since a long time ago, and she will have her own agenda like Aveline in DA:I and she won't bed the inquisitor, no matter what. So for me she does count.

 

I'm fine with people wanting a 5/3 because of that, but I honestly don't think I could agree. 

 

My beef is that most companions you get in the DA series tend to have a subplot that focuses on romance and that I'd like for there to be a female in Inquisition that doesn't get one due to other issues. Vivienne is the best candidate for this given her aggressive bid for power and I think it'd be insulting for all the females in Inquisition to have some of their storyline dedicated to romance while 2 of the males get to focus on other non-romantic issues (presumably and hopefully).

 

 

Maybe it wouldn't have been an issue if the gender ratio wasn't 6:3, just saying. 

 

Oh, most definitely. It'd have been great to have another female in exchange for a male character (*coughColecough*), but unfortunately, that's not the case. I'm thinking (or hoping) that DA4 will give us more females to compensate for this game since I definitely want a couple of business-only females.

[Parkimus]

My beef is that most companions you get in the DA series tend to have a subplot that focuses on romance and that I'd like for there to be a female in Inquisition that doesn't get one due to other issues. Vivienne is the best candidate for this given her aggressive bid for power and I think it'd be insulting for all the females in Inquisition to have some of their storyline dedicated to romance while 2 of the males get to focus on other non-romantic issues (presumably and hopefully).

 

Won't they go through a friendship arc with the PC (if you have high enough approval or w/e they call it now) if you don't romance them, though?

[leadintea]

Won't they go through a friendship arc with the PC (if you have high enough approval or w/e they call it now) if you don't romance them, though?

 

Yeah, but there were still resources that were dedicated for their romance path. I'm saying that instead of this, I'd love those resources put in another issue for them.

[Ryzaki]

Yeah I'm still baffled at BW having 3 female companions and 8 romances I just...wow.

 

That really didn't strike them as a bad idea? Or at least a bit questionable?

[Sylvianus]

Maybe it wouldn't have been an issue if the gender ratio wasn't 6:3, just saying. 

 

For Bioware it's  7:5. They don't have the same view and consider the advisors as full companions. It's true that we haven't seen the npc companions yet and we could think negatively because of M3, but I'm starting to think that the advisors will be as prominent as the companions while not mobile. 

[HuldraDancer]

While I agree that the 3 Females to 6 Male companions are weird my guess is either A they didn't think about it and just happened that way or B they did realize the split but by that point it felt wrong to change their character's gender.

[Gwydden]

Yeah I'm still baffled at BW having 3 female companions and 8 romances I just...wow.

That really didn't strike them as a bad idea? Or at least a bit questionable?

I'm not sure why it would. But then I don't think fairness is something that should be pursued in this context.

[Sylvianus]

While I agree that the 3 Females to 6 Male companions are weird my guess is either A they didn't think about it and just happened that way or B they did realize the split but by that point it felt wrong to change their character's gender.

 

I think they were aware of what they were doing, but had different opinions on the matter. This is what I feel at least from David gaider's response toward the critics againt the ratio 6:3.

[HuldraDancer]

I think they were aware of what they were doing, but had different opinions on the matter. This is what I feel at least from David gaider's response toward the critics againt the ratio 6:3.

 

I haven't seen any devs comment on it but then again I don't really scour for them^^; You wouldn't happen to remember what his response was would you? I'd be interested to know it.

[Sylvianus]

I haven't seen any devs comment on it but then again I don't really scour for them^^; You wouldn't happen to remember what his response was would you? I'd be interested to know it.

 

Give me one minute ! 

[Former_Fiend]

As I understand it the objection to all three female companions being romances is that it is somehow objectifying.

 

Personally I see that perspective as being reaching for something to be offended by, but that's just my opinion on the matter.

[HuldraDancer]

Give me one minute ! 

Thanks

[Ryzaki]

I'm not sure why it would. But then I don't think fairness is something that should be pursued in this context.

To each their own.

 

I just find it really offputting when all the females in the main group are romanceable or used to be.

[Sylvianus]

here :

 

source : http://forum.bioware...al-orientation/

 

 

I'll just jump in and say this:

 

There seems to be quite the laser-like focus on party members. Understandable, perhaps, considering those are the characters with whom you spend a great deal of time...but if we're to talk in terms of representation I'm a bit uncertain why 5:4 would be awesome and 6:3 somehow equates to horribleness on our part. Naturally your mileage will vary, in terms of what you want to see, and I won't tell you what that should be.

 

We. however, approach the equation a little differently. We come up with roughly even numbers in our concepts, even across gender lines, across racial lines as well as across classes. We (as in the team, not just the writers) pick the concepts that we like the most, and while there's always a point where we discuss diversity, there are many points of diversity we have to consider. Class diversity is perhaps highest on the list (in terms of gameplay utility), along with a diversity of viewpoints and how they intersect with the story. Gender diversity is also considered, but when we look at it in terms of representation, we look at it in terms of representation across the entire story—not just in the party.

 

Considering Inquisition takes place in a world where many (if not most) of the world's power players are female (the ruler of Orlais, the head of the Chantry and the Circle of Magi, possibly the ruler of Ferelden and others...not to mention the many characters outside of the party with whom you will also be deeply involved. I can honestly say I don't think we're doing badly on that front, not enough to feel we should switch the gender of a character concept we like to hit an arbitary number in this one group of characters. It sounds like it might be easy to do, but that's never been how character concepts come to be--we're not just flipping switches on a variety of grids until we hit some perfect balance for every desire and then writing interesting stories.

 

If you disagree, and feel we've done poorly even short of seeing the rest of the cast, then so be it. I completely understand.

 

Insofar as the OP's desire for a Qunari female character—I hear you, believe me. Sometimes it seems like we can never fit enough awesome concepts in one game

[HuldraDancer]

here :

 

source : http://forum.bioware...al-orientation/

 

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Thank you.

 

Still think the split is a tad weird when you do notice it, but I think I get where they're coming from.

[Ianamus]

 

While there are people who would rather have love interests who aren't from Andrastian cultures. A male/female elven romance option has never been available for players who chose a male elf, a female dwarven love interest hasn't happened for three games now (with the last game excluding dwarven women entirely), and a female qunari love interest seems to be in the same sphere as a female dwarf in terms of unavailability. Three different shades of Andrastian isn't really that diverse in comparison.

 

I'm actually kind of pleased there isn't a female Qunari LI in Inquisition, to be honest. If it took them three games to even create a female Qunari and they were immediately thrown into an LI position... that would be fairly questionable. Especially if she was the only prominent female Qunari in the game. 

 

I do want to see a Dwarf LI, particuarly a female Dwarf LI, but I don't begrudge there not being one in Inquisition, because I never really expected there to be one. If we don't have a female Dwarf companion in the next game I will be very surprised, so I expect to see one in the future. 

 

And there is absolutely no problem with the number of elven LI's. We have four now, two male, two female. Five if Solas is one as well. Considering we've already had two female Dalish elves as companions in the past (three if you include the one from witch hunt) another female Dalish elf is at the very bottom of my list. 

 

Yeah I'm still baffled at BW having 3 female companions and 8 romances I just...wow.

 

That really didn't strike them as a bad idea? Or at least a bit questionable?

 

Yeah this is the one thing about their approach to companions/LI's in Inquisition that I actually disagree with. 

 

Saying that they went with the best concepts for companions and only three of the nine they came up with happened to be female? That's fair enough. Want Leliana, who most definitely can not be an LI in the game, to be an advisor? Again, sounds good. 

 

But then to decide to do eight romances with such skewed gender proportions (and limit them solely to companion/advisors)? 

 

What?

[LobselVith8]

I'm actually kind of pleased there isn't a female Qunari LI in Inquisition, to be honest. If it took them three games to even create a female Qunari and they were immediately thrown into an LI position... that would be fairly questionable. Especially if she was the only prominent female Qunari in the game. 

 

I do want to see a Dwarf LI, particuarly a female Dwarf LI, but I don't begrudge there not being one in Inquisition, because I never really expected there to be one. If they don't have a female Dwarf companion in the next game I will be very surprised, so I expect to see one in the future. 

 

And there is absolutely no problem with the number of elven LI's. We have four now, two male, two female. Five if Solas is one as well. Considering we've already had two female Dalish elves as companions in the past another female Dalish is at the very bottom of my list. 

 

You're welcome to think there's no issue with those aspects, but not everyone shares your opinion on the matter. That's the point. In this thread (and in other threads), some people have expressed an interest in seeing a romance option with a female qunari and with a female dwarf, and even in a romance with a male elven Inquisitor and a female ef; there was a thread specifically geared towards the possibility of a female qunari a while back, and some had expressed an interest in Dagna as a possibility when everyone thought the last romance option would be someone from outside the immediate group.

 

Simply because you don't care, or they're at the "bottom of [your] list", doesn't change the simple fact that there are other people who do care about this, and would like to see it implemented for their enjoyment.

[azarhal]

 

 

 

 

I'm actually kind of pleased there isn't a female Qunari LI in Inquisition, to be honest. If it took them three games to even create a female Qunari and they were immediately thrown into an LI position... that would be fairly questionable. Especially if she was the only prominent female Qunari in the game. 

 

I do want to see a Dwarf LI, particuarly a female Dwarf LI, but I don't begrudge there not being one in Inquisition, because I never really expected there to be one. If they don't have a female Dwarf companion in the next game I will be very surprised though, so I expect to see one in the future. 

 

And there is absolutely no problem with the number of elven LI's. We have four now, two male, two female. Five if Solas is one as well. Considering we've already had two female Dalish elves as companions in the past (three if you include the one from witch hunt) another female Dalish elf is at the very bottom of my list. 

 

 

Yeah this is the one thing about their approach to companions/LI's in Inquisition that I actually disagree with. 

 

Saying that they went with the best concepts for companions and only three of the nine they came up with happened to be female? That's fair enough. Want Leliana, who most definitely can not be an LI in the game, to be an advisor? Again, sounds good. 

 

But then to decide to do eight romances with such skewed gender proportions (and limit them solely to companion/advisors)? 

 

What?

 

 

They were not planning on eight romances at the start (pre player race), that happened because of story-based race-gating/set sexuality. The devs (Allan and Gaider) already said  that if they had followed DA2 "everyone is bisexual" there wouldn't be that many LIs.

[Ianamus]

 

Simply because you don't care, or they're at the "bottom of [your] list", doesn't change the simple fact that there are other people who do care about this, and would like to see it implemented for their enjoyment.

 

Of course there are people who care about it. There are people who care about everything. 

 

That doesn't make it a greater issue than a handful of people not getting the specific type of LI they want.