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[Maria Caliban]

I named my DA:O PC Justina. :/

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Ummm, Mortie, Leliana couldn't have been spying for the Divine in DAO, which took place in 9:30-9:31 Dragon, because Justinia wasn't even crowned as Divine until 9:34.

But Leliana was involved with Justinia/Dorothea since Leliana's Song took place, yes? I imagine Justinia was still actively planning to attempt to become the Divine 3-4 years out and likely had her own plans in the works, with the actual Divine being basically useless at this point. She wasn't spying for the Divine, but I'd say there's still a good chance she was gathering information for Justinia. The wiki suggests she has extensive dealings with the bards and is considered a strong player of The Game, so I imagine she had a lot of irons in the fire before she was official declared as the Divine.

[Former_Fiend]

So, unrelated to the current conversation, but I mentioned this in the racial restrictions thread and I'm going to repeat it here;

 

I have preferences when it comes to women. I prefer brunettes to red heads, red heads to blondes. I prefer women about five foot four or so. I prefer a certain amount of curvature. 

 

But I've dated blondes, I've dated women 5'10", I've dated women with flat chests and flat asses. Because what I prefer above everything is personality. The ability to have a conversation. The ability to make me laugh and appreciate my own humor. A creative streak. Passions. 

 

Because while I have preferences in terms of appearance, I find a woman's personality far more attractive than any physical quality. So when I find a woman with those qualities that actually matter, I set aside those physical preferences because there are things that are far more important than that.

[GameBoyish]

So, unrelated to the current conversation, but I mentioned this in the racial restrictions thread and I'm going to repeat it here;

 

I have preferences when it comes to women. I prefer brunettes to red heads, red heads to blondes. I prefer women about five foot four or so. I prefer a certain amount of curvature. 

 

But I've dated blondes, I've dated women 5'10", I've dated women with flat chests and flat asses. Because what I prefer above everything is personality. The ability to have a conversation. The ability to make me laugh and appreciate my own humor. A creative streak. Passions. 

 

Because while I have preferences in terms of appearance, I find a woman's personality far more attractive than any physical quality. So when I find a woman with those qualities that actually matter, I set aside those physical preferences because there are things that are far more important than that.

This.

 

I'm 5ft2 and I prefer tall men (like, 6ft) but I've dated guys around my height.

[Former_Fiend]

The way a lot of people talk about preferences on these forums makes me think they just don't know what the word means.

 

Preferences aren't adamant, unyielding, or set in stone. Preferences can be compromised, set aside, and can evolve with time and experience. 

[carlo angelo]

The way a lot of people talk about preferences on these forums makes me think they just don't know what the word means.

 

Preferences aren't adamant, unyielding, or set in stone. Preferences can be compromised, set aside, and can evolve with time and experience. 

 

If you ask me, I've been seeing gay guys* use the word "preference" a lot when looking for a relationship (or a hook up, which I can understand to a certain extent), and... they really mean the other P-word: prerequisite.

 

*mainly gay guys, because being one, I tend to look at gay guys/bisexual guys more than straight men for obvious reasons.

[Former_Fiend]

If you ask me, I've been seeing gay guys* use the word "preference" a lot when looking for a relationship (or a hook up, which I can understand to a certain extent), and... they really mean the other P-word: prerequisite.

 

*mainly gay guys, because being one, I tend to look at gay guys/bisexual guys more than straight men for obvious reasons.

 

That touches on another aspect of it; I've seen people comparing the race gating and it's associated "preferences" to sexual orientation, but orientation isn't about preferences.

 

A gay guy doesn't prefer men to women, he's only interested in men. A straight guy doesn't prefer women to men, he's only interested in women. A bisexual guy might prefer men to women or women to men, but he's into both.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I'll be honest, I've never dated anyone outside my comfort zone as far as attraction goes. I've never really felt like appearance and personality were things you had to choose between. If someone doesn't meet both expectations, I've always put them in the "friends" or "no thanks" columns, depending which area they didn't match up with me in. I can pretty easily relate to characters in game not wanting to get into a romantic relationship with me because they don't like my character's appearance. I do wonder if that will be the actual explanation for gating, though, or if it will be more political, or even past trauma related.  

[wright1978]

I'll be honest, I've never dated anyone outside my comfort zone as far as attraction goes. I've never really felt like appearance and personality were things you had to choose between. If someone doesn't meet both expectations, I've always put them in the "friends" or "no thanks" columns, depending which area they didn't match up with me in. I can pretty easily relate to characters in game not wanting to get into a romantic relationship with me because they don't like my character's appearance. I do wonder if that will be the actual explanation for gating, though, or if it will be more political, or even past trauma related.  

 

Agree completely there are always going to be boundaries of tolerance in terms of appearance as there are for personality too.

Though like you say i think the explanation given may be more nuanced though.

[Former_Fiend]

I'll be honest, I've never dated anyone outside my comfort zone as far as attraction goes. I've never really felt like appearance and personality were things you had to choose between. If someone doesn't meet both expectations, I've always put them in the "friends" or "no thanks" columns, depending which area they didn't match up with me in. I can pretty easily relate to characters in game not wanting to get into a romantic relationship with me because they don't like my character's appearance. I do wonder if that will be the actual explanation for gating, though, or if it will be more political, or even past trauma related.  

 

To be absolutely fair, part of it, and this is something I didn't fully convey in my pertinent post, is that I don't necessarily find these qualities to be unattractive, just less attractive. I find an incredibly wide range of variables of the female form to be attractive to varying degrees in varying combinations. 

 

Now, I have had relationships - a few rather serious - with women who I found simply unattractive but who I connected with on a strong personal level. Those relationships did ultimately fail, but that attraction wasn't a factor in that. So I do consider it something I can put aside. 

[Allan Schumacher]

I named my DA:O PC Justina. :/

 

I have a cousin named Michael.  So sometimes people just share the same name with others

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I feel like the reasons are likely to be different than just attraction, though. Most people guess Vivienne will be unwilling to be with someone that hurts her political standing, for example. People have suggested scenarios like Sera's issues with nobles, or Varric/Cullen's history with Qunari. I think this may actually end up being the case over simple attraction.

 

I'm sure that wont make everyone happy, either. No doubt, some people will like it even less. I'm just leaning towards it being the likely case right now. It seems more in-line with what I'd assume "story reasons" means.

[Former_Fiend]

I feel like the reasons are likely to be different than just attraction, though. Most people guess Vivienne will be unwilling to be with someone that hurts her political standing, for example. People have suggested scenarios like Sera's issues with nobles, or Varric/Cullen's history with Qunari. I think this may actually end up being the case over simple attraction.

 

I'm sure that wont make everyone happy, either. No doubt, some people will like it even less. I'm just leaning towards it being the likely case right now. It seems more in-line with what I'd assume "story reasons" means.

 

I'm in a complicated position in that I do like that explanation even less, because that is a point of actively making the LI's racist or at least having them choose to allow Thedas' racism to dictate their lives.

 

But at the same time I'd rather they do it because at least it's honest.

 

Still, I think that if you can romance Cullen as a reaver or a necromancer but not as a qunari, then there's something wrong. 

[Vapaa]

I feel like the reasons are likely to be different than just attraction, though. Most people guess Vivienne will be unwilling to be with someone that hurts her political standing, for example. People have suggested scenarios like Sera's issues with nobles, or Varric/Cullen's history with Qunari. I think this may actually end up being the case over simple attraction.

 

I'm sure that wont make everyone happy, either. No doubt, some people will like it even less. I'm just leaning towards it being the likely case right now. It seems more in-line with what I'd assume "story reasons" means.

 

Bioware better not pull this off, else they'll never hear the end of it.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Class and specialization have basically always been a problem. It doesn't really make sense that characters would enter a relationship with people of some specializations. I do wonder if they'll ever do anything concerning it. It seems like a more glaring issue to me than either gender or race gates. But the real world explanation is obviously that it doesn't help out cinematics any. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Bioware better not pull this off, else they'll never hear the end of it.

What reasons do you see them using? 

[Former_Fiend]

Yea. 

 

I'm just saying, in regards to Cullen specifically, mages and forbidden magics are responsible for the two most important and defining moments of his life, and not necessarily in a good way. Qunari, on the other hand... Cullen had, what, two lines talking about the qunari in DA2? Maybe four? And he doesn't mention them at all after the invasion as the next time you talk to him, Meredith's insanity has become a far more pressing matter.

 

I just don't see the qunari invasion as having affected Cullen anywhere near as profoundly as either mage rebellion he's weathered, to the point where he'd be willing to be in a relationship with a reaver(result of blood magic) or a necromancer, but not a vashoth qunari.

[Vapaa]

What reasons do you see them using? 

 

I don't know what reason they'll actually use, I just don't want bullshit reasons tied to some kind of trauma or generalization.

 

I actually don't want anything beyond "no into your race", because if it's enough for sexualities, why won't it be enough for races ?

[Ailith Tycane]

I don't know what reason they'll actually use, I just don't want bullshit reasons tied to some kind of trauma or generalization.

 

I actually don't want anything beyond "no into your race", because if it's enough for sexualities, why won't it be enough for races ?

 

Something about that kind of excuse coming from a black companion kind of makes me laugh inside and I think I might love it more than I should.

[HuldraDancer]

Still hoping the story reasons for the race gate are actually story and not personal. Still don't want the race gates but I"m getting closer to accepting them. But if the 'story' reasons turn out to be 'I"m not into race X' then I'll be a trifle upset cause that's not a story reason that's a personal one. (Yeah I don't count preferences as story reasons) ((Also hoping the story reasons are something I can at least look at and say 'Okay I get it' even if I don't agree with it))

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Still hoping the story reasons for the race gate are actually story and not personal. Still don't want the race gates but I"m getting closer to accepting them. But if the 'story' reasons turn out to be 'I"m not into race X' then I'll be a trifle upset cause that's not a story reason that's a personal one. (Yeah I don't count preferences as story reasons) ((Also hoping the story reasons are something I can at least look at and say 'Okay I get it' even if I don't agree with it))

Yeah, for example the idea for Solas being race-gated against Dwarves because they don't go to the Fade when they sleep so Solas can't share his life's passion with them is one where I'd go "Okay, I get it. I don't like it, but I get why you did it.". 

[Ailith Tycane]

I can see why it would annoy people, but c'mon...

 

No one is actually a dwarf (In the mythical DA sense) or an elf or qunari, and having a black woman, a race that is REAL and REALLY does get that excuse ALL the time in the real world ("I'm just not attracted to black people") is friggin hilarious. 

[HuldraDancer]

Yeah, for example the idea for Solas being race-gated against Dwarves because they don't go to the Fade when they sleep so Solas can't share his life's passion with them is one where I'd go "Okay, I get it. I don't like it, but I get why you did it.". 

I REALLY wouldn't like that since a dwarf could share a love for the fade and magic (Dagna) but I could look at that and still say I get it despite not liking it. But it is a reason I could begrudgingly accept once I stop being fussy and get to know the guy better and maybe MAYBE get behind as well. I just want the story reasons to be actual story ones that I can see where they were coming from while writing them  

[SamanthaJ]

I REALLY wouldn't like that since a dwarf could share a love for the fade and magic (Dagna) but I could look at that and still say I get it despite not liking it. But it is a reason I could begrudgingly accept once I stop being fussy and get to know the guy better and maybe MAYBE get behind as well. I just want the story reasons to be actual story ones that I can see where they were coming from while writing them

I still like the reason I saw on the Solas thread where the race-gating would actually involve story events, as in his romance could be triggered in dreams thus unavailable to those who can't dream.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I like the Solas/dwarves idea, but I'm not sure it's likely unless the second empty spot is Varric/Blackwall over Vivienne. They said they used the chart to make sure every group got two options. Iron Bull was probably planned gated towards dwarves. If Solas also was, then straight female/gay male dwarves wouldn't have two options. Realistically, the other gated male (assuming it's a male) was gated for Qunari, I would assume. I would assume, further, that they're probably bisexual, for basically the same reason. Iron Bull was planned gated, so some gay males wouldn't have 2 options if the third was straight.