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[Bluenoodle]

Yup, it could very well be the inquisitor's left and right hands, we just don't know their orientation or whether they race-gating yet.

First of all that made me laugh waaaay too loud, thanks bro

 

I'm not going to "be happy" that I'm assured maybe half as many options as other demographics. I'm going to keep hoping some developer, Bioware eventually or someone else, will actually make equality a priority. To suggest I should be happy with consistently less is, in my opinion, ridiculous and I don't care if that opinion isn't popular.    

Secondly, it's a game. What is fair is that we are all given at least 2 choices, what comes after that is a happy bonus, one that if you want to play then you can roll another toon. If people keep giving BioWare a hard time for giving romances that make sense in regards to the the story (as opposed to forced romances) then they're just gonna end up giving up on romances altogether.

 

My point: THIS IS RIDICULOUS. 

[jtav]

I'm a straight woman and Samantha is in my top two of ME romances. After a certain point, concerns about options being inferior are subjective.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I'm just glad SOMEONES doing it XV Beggars cant be choosers, and I'd rather have less options than no options... which might or might not be the case seeing as we dont know who the last 2 are, but I digress :v

Yes, some is better than none. "We understand that giving some demographics twice as many, or more, options still makes your offering look like an afterthought, even if you get a whole two," is even better, to me. ME3 gave everyone 2 options. It was no sort of "fair". One hopes we keep moving forward. 

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

I wonder when people will start to speculate that you have to be straight to close the Breach....

[Maferath]

I don't see the two last LI being gated both by race and gender. It just seems an inefficient use of resources to me, to restrict an entire romance arc to a small portion of PCs.

[SofaJockey]

I don't know, but after reading what David Gaider said I have no hope left....

 

With 6 LIs revealed opportunities are currently even:

 

2 male > female (Cass Josie)

2 female > male (Bull Cullen)

2 female > female (Sera Josie)

2 male > male (Dorian Bull)

 

So why is hope lost?
 

The 2 final reveals will either be 2 x Bi characters including Viv, in which case everyone gets 3 choices,

or for reasons of story the options will be less in which case some combinations are 2 options, some 3.

 

I don't understand why that is unbalanced, really.

[Bluenoodle]

I don't see the two last LI being gated both by race and gender. It just seems an inefficient use of resources to me, to restrict an entire romance arc to a small portion of PCs.

It requires more resources to make a romance available to more races, they don't WANT to race gate ANY of the romances, as far as I can tell it's just a matter of resources/ money.

[LiaraShepard]

With 6 LIs revealed opportunities are currently even:

 

2 male > female (Cass Josie)

2 female > male (Bull Cullen)

2 female > female (Sera Josie)

2 male > male (Dorian Bull)

 

So why is hope lost?
 

The 2 final reveals will either be 2 x Bi characters including Viv, in which case everyone gets 3 choices,

or for reasons of story the options will be less in which case some combinations are 2 options, some 3.

 

I don't understand why that is unbalanced, really.

 

if the last LI's will be straight, it's obviously unbalanced imo. If they are going to be bisexual I'm fully okay with some races getting fewer options than others.

[Sylvianus]

if the last LI's will be straight, it's obviously unbalanced imo.

 

You should be grateful, you have two options. 

[LiaraShepard]

You should be grateful, you have two options. 

 

Oh yes shame on me, I forgot it for a second. ^^

[fiveforchaos]

I'm not going to "be happy" that I'm assured maybe half as many options as other demographics. I'm going to keep hoping some developer, Bioware eventually or someone else, will actually make equality a priority. To suggest I should be happy with consistently less is, in my opinion, ridiculous and I don't care if that opinion isn't popular.    

Aren't you attracted to men though? Unless I'm mixing up my users. Seems like anyone attracted to men has fairly decent chances at the moment. At the very least there's actually a probability that they might have more options than those attracted to women, not so for the other way around. True circumstances could arise that makes the situation less than favorable for gay men/straight women, but the chances of those circumstances is less than the same happening for straight men/lesbians. 

 

Not saying whether or not your POV has any merit, just wondering why you're worrying when probability is currently in your favor. Unless I'm thinking of the wrong user, and you actually are only attracted to women, in which case, we're keeping our fingers crossed for a bisexual Vivienne yeah?

 

Really we should all just wait and see before making assumptions about how equal things are. 

[Chron0id]

I wonder when people will start to speculate that you have to be straight to close the Breach....

I would pay to see the fallout that would result from this. 

 

GAME OVER-You picked poorly in the romances.   But Bioware thanks you for supporting Dragon Age Inquisition!   Be on the lookout for some post-game DLC!

[Sporothrix]

I was more referring to how some people imply that the advisor romances must be lesser than party member romances--so, even if the romance lineups were absolutely equal, perceived inequalities would still be used as the reason why not getting what they want is somehow worse than them being disappointed.

 

Why? I'm not sure. I guess they feel "I wanted something else" or "I was disappointed" is not bad enough.

 

DA's a different team then the ME, but I don't doubt that the Sera romance could eventually be drawn through a lens that might make it seem like something else. I really hope you enjoy it, regardless, if you intend on playing through it at all.

 

I think that advisor romances are generally perceived as long-distance relationships, so obviously most people would prefer to be close to their LIs (unless they want to cheat, but I understand it's not really an option anyway) all the time and let them be the part of their journey.

 

As for the problem with Traynor's romance, I think what pisses me off the most is the approach to lesbians, so very similar to how lesbians are treated in media nowadays, as a turn-on for straight men. Since the end of last year, 6 different shows that I followed used "lesbian sleeping with a man" trope, which is really damaging as it encourages dangerous homophobic myths about lesbian sexuality, that we're not "really" gay, can be "fixed" by "the right man". I've been through that myself, I've been sexually assaulted on the premise of being lesbian.

 

And the worst part about those shows for me is that half of them were run by gay men. People who should know better.

 

It's also worth to mention that according to GLAAD reports, gay men have much bigger representation that any other sexual minority group, including lesbians. And "gay man sleeping with a woman" almost never happens, if it does, it's emphasized how repulsed the man is. In other words, gay men are treated as "the real deal", their sexuality is treated with respect by our media.

 

Speaking of DAI again, if gay men are getting twice as much options as lesbians in this game, then it would be a sign for me that it follows the same route as movies and TV shows when it comes to those issues. And it would leave me with very low expectations about Sera's romance.

[Maria Caliban]

Right.

Assuming that BioWare will have a line up based around complete equality is no different than assuming BioWare is going to make the last two straight. These are both assumptions.

Being upset because you assume the worst is a bit silly.

[Moirin]

I don't see the two last LI being gated both by race and gender. It just seems an inefficient use of resources to me, to restrict an entire romance arc to a small portion of PCs.

 

I get the idea that everyone is figuring that race restrictions are going to be a lot narrower than they might be. That race gated means that those romances will only be available to one or maybe two races when in fact it might just be they are only locked against one race and available to all the others. If that's the case I don't think it'll be restricted as much as you are thinking.

 

Also, no one said the last two will be straight. Could be one is straight one is gay. Everyone seems to be jumping to the worst possible conclusion at this point.

[Sylvianus]

 Everyone seems to be jumping to the worst possible conclusion at this point.

 

So ? The fact is it could happen since it's okay. So they are allowed to talk about it. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Aren't you attracted to men though? Unless I'm mixing up my users. Seems like anyone attracted to men has fairly decent chances at the moment. At the very least there's actually a probability that they might have more options than those attracted to women, not so for the other way around. True circumstances could arise that makes the situation less than favorable for gay men/straight women, but the chances of those circumstances is less than the same happening for straight men/lesbians. 

 

Not saying whether or not your POV has any merit, just wondering why you're complaining when probability is currently in your favor. Unless I'm thinking of the wrong user, and you actually are only attracted to women, in which case, we're keeping our fingers crossed for a bisexual Vivienne yeah? . 

I am attracted to men, yes. In some scenarios, gay men would be the ones shorted an option with Varric as a straight option. (I don't believe that will happen for reasons I mentioned earlier, the IB gates, but I could be wrong.)

 

But I don't want the options "in my favor". I'm not happy that I could potentially get 4 options and lesbians 2. As part of the LGBT community, I feel just as obligated to speak up for them when they're obviously getting the short end, and I hope they would for me. Although, I don't see a lot of anyone looking out for anyone but themselves here, I'll be honest.

 

And to add on to this, no, I'm not happy straight men could be shorted by half, either. I believe in actual fairness, not just what benefits me at the moment.

[CrimsonN7]

*Secretly hopes Bioware cancels the last two LI's.

 

You whine too much.

[Feybrad]

It's funny, all this Pessimism. I'm actually quite Optimistic. Mostly, because my last Prediction from Weeks ago is still valid and strong. Mr. Gaider didn't say or imply that the two remaining Romances being straight. But still People are tearing each other apart for thinking one Way or another.

 

My old and current Prediction is the Following:

 

Cassandra - Straight, ungated.

Cullen - Straight, ungated.

Iron Bull - Bi, ungated

Josephine - Bi, ungated

Dorian - Gay, ungated

Sera - Gay, ungated.

Vivienne - Bi, gated against Dwarves and Elves

Varric - Bi, gated against Humans and Qunari

 

Not everyone would have the same Amount of Options, too, but that doesn't have to depend on Sexuality, but on Race - which I think is the smart Thing to do and the Writers are smart People.

In this LineUp:

Straight Male and Lesbian Female Dwarves and Elves would have "only" three Options.

Gay Male and Straight Female Humans and Qunari would have "only" three Options.

[Chron0id]

I am attracted to men, yes. In some scenarios, gay men would be the ones shorted an option with Varric as a straight option. (I don't believe that will happen for reasons I mentioned earlier, the IB gates, but I could be wrong.)

 

But I don't want the options "in my favor". I'm not happy that I could potentially get 4 options and lesbians 2. As part of the LGBT community, I feel just as obligated to speak up for them when they're obviously getting the short end, and I hope they would for me. Although, I don't see a lot of anyone looking out for anyone but themselves here, I'll be honest.

Honestly, Dorian alone is worth five gay romance options. I'm a straight-as-an-arrow male but if I were gay, I'd be all over Dorian. That moustache!  And those robes!  He's swag personified!  

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

I think most of us are forgetting that Bioware doesn't make dating sims, they make rpg's.

[godModeAlpha]

Off-current-topic but Varric's profile got new pictures! I figured some of y'all might wanna see.

 

http://www.dragonage.../varric-tethras

 

Nice. Off topic too, Maybe Josie will be getting more pics too, she only has 1 pic

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

Honestly, Dorian alone is worth five gay romance options. I'm a straight-as-an-arrow male but if I were gay, I'd be all over Dorian. That moustache!  And those robes!  He's swag personified!  

You... I like you

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

Off topic too, Maybe Josie will be getting more pics too, she only has 1 pic

actually a lot of people only have one pic (and by a lot of ppl I mean I only checked Cass and IB and they have 1 pic)

Also doesnt Jossie have 2?

[Moirin]

So ? The fact is it could happen since it's okay. So they are allowed to talk about it. 

 

I didn't say they couldn't talk about it, but that doesn't mean I can't discuss that some not worst case scenarios can happen too, does it?