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[Fialka]

My opinion is that the most likely outcome here is still Vivienne/Solas as bi options. Second most likely that I see is Solas as bi and Varric as straight. I'm definitely not 100% confident in my estimates, though. 

I agree these seem most likely... and I hope the first one ends up being true for the sake of everyone getting an equal number of options.

 

i do think the GaymerX panels are a good listen, as it helps put things in perspective... And i think Gaider's comments earlier in this thread were just him expressing frustration with the fans raging over what's fair, to the point where some seem unconcerned with why a character would not have a romance arc.  Something I'm inclined to agree with... Yes, I would understand and sympathize with straight male/lesbian players if it is revealed that Viv is not an LI, but I would also give the writers the benefit of the doubt, at least until playing the game and seeing for myself, that there's a good reason why.  Just as, while I'd be disappointed if Solas weren't an LI since he's my first choice, I would wait until playing the game to see why - and then decide if raging is necessary   It could be that there really was no way to fit a love story into whatever story arc they wrote for these characters.

 

Do I still see it as problematic that a group of people get less options? Absolutely.  But I think the issue here is that they should have made more female vs. male companions in the first place - though to be fair, they probably conceptualized and wrote those characters before they found the extra budget for those additional romances beyond the first six.  You could argue that those extra romances shouldn't have been written at all if it skews things in such a way, but can you really attack the devs for creating more content - even if it does only benefit some people (or people willing to role-play outside their real-life gender/orientation)?

 

Now, I realize playing devil's advocate here is going to open me up to a whole lot of anger/arguments... so, to reiterate, I hope every real life gender/orientation gets an equal number of options.  I just don't think it's fair to assume Bioware created an imbalance arbitrarily/because they don't care, etc.  At least not yet.

[The Elder King]

I've heard multiple times that Mary Kirby said she wasn't dead, but I haven't seen the original comment, so I didn't bring it up.

Here:

Actually, no, it never says she died.  All Varric says in the comic is that they didn't escape the Merchant Guild.

  

I can't tell you what happened. Although I'm hoping eventually you will get Bianca's version of the story...

  

You might get a hint of the answer in Inquisition.

[WildOrchid]

Oh, it was a post, not a tweet. Thanks Elder.

[Yinello]

Speculation: Bianca didn't succeed in running away and is forced to work with the Carta. Varric doesn't know she's alive. We get the choice in freeing her, leaving her or killing her.

[The Elder King]

Oh, it was a post, not a tweet. Thanks Elder.

No problem .

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Do I still see it as problematic that a group of people get less options? Absolutely.  But I think the issue here is that they should have made more female vs. male companions in the first place - though to be fair, they probably conceptualized and wrote those characters before they found the extra budget for those additional romances beyond the first six.  You could argue that those extra romances shouldn't have been written at all if it skews things in such a way, but can you really attack the devs for creating more content - even if it does only benefit some people (or people willing to role-play outside their real-life gender/orientation)?

I didn't think of the fact that they could have just not considered the need for extra romances when they created fewer females. I still don't like the idea of imbalance, but it's an interesting point that I hadn't really thought of.

[Fialka]

I didn't think of the fact that they could have just not considered the need for extra romances when they created fewer females. I still don't like the idea of imbalance, but it's an interesting point that I hadn't really thought of.

Yeah, I know it doesn't make it any better for the people who end up with less options than others - especially, say, the lesbian players who have in the past consistently gotten less than other groups (which is why I hope it's not the case).... But I do think it's possible, from the comments about some of the romances being added later on. Which is why I'm inclined to believe that the originally-gated Iron Bull wasn't the main bi male romance...

 

Of course, they did say in one of the GaymerX panels that as they were writing some of the characters they realized they just didn't fit with whatever orientation they had planned, and that was considered okay as long as there was another option for that player... so, anything is possible.

 

Ugh... which makes me reiterate - I hope they just finish the damn reveals already.  I feel like with everything that's been said anything could be true...

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Ugh... which makes me reiterate - I hope they just finish the damn reveals already.  I feel like with everything that's been said anything could be true...

Definitely. There's no extremely strong evidence to rule anyone out right now. We know it's some combination of two between Vivienne/Solas/Varric/Blackwall. It could really be any of them. I hope they just come out with it soon, too.

[The Elder King]

I don't know if I want the LI reveal to happen before or when I'm on vacation (from next thursday). I won't be able to check the site often so I'll probably skip a lot of posts and the rage...but a part of me wants to see the reaction.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I think if it's bisexual Vivienne and any bisexual male, the reaction will be happiness from their fans and mild disappointment from the fans of the others that will be mostly isolated in their fan threads. Fans of Solas, Varric and Blackwall all seem like pretty sane people and I think everyone in those fan groups knows there's as good a chance as not that they wont get the slot right now. Everyone is prepared for disappointment, I believe. I think people will only riot if some group gets less, which could happen.   

[SofaJockey]

Yeah, that's basically my assumption for Blackwall. I think he's going to get the "wise mentor" slot.

 

I think that's likely.

I don't want to think ill of the media (as if) but I think an older male character doing bouncing love action with a young female or male inquisitor
(despite the PC, NPC and players all being adults)

Could well be a risky business and I could understand it being a step too far regardless of story.

 

[The Elder King]

I think if it's bisexual Vivienne and any bisexual male, the reaction will be happiness from their fans and mild disappointment from the fans of the others that will be mostly isolated in their fan threads. Fans of Solas, Varric and Blackwall all seem like pretty sane people and I think everyone in those fan groups knows there's as good a chance as not that they wont get the slot right now. Everyone is prepared for disappointment, I believe. I think people will only riot if some group gets less, which could happen.

I wasn't referring to two bisexuals LI (one female, one male). While I hope that's the case, I'm not discounting the possibility one or both aren't bisexuals.
Though I should've probably worded my post better.

[Vapaa]

Definitely. There's no extremely strong evidence to rule anyone out right now. We know it's some combination of two between Vivienne/Solas/Varric/Blackwall. It could really be any of them. I hope they just come out with it soon, too.

 

Blackwall may or may not be the mentor figure, Vivienne may or may not have time for your business, Solas may or may not be interested in romance, and Varric may or may not be reunited with Bianca...

 

Spoiler

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I wasn't referring to two bisexuals LI (one female, one male). While I hope that's the case, I'm not discounting the possibility one or both aren't bisexuals.
Though I should've probably worded my post better.

If Vivienne isn't an option, I see there being an especially large amount of rage. Especially if Varric is also straight, like I expect in that case. That's going to generate some pissed off people in at least 3 demographics. lol 

[Matdeception]

Going back to the recording, I've thought about it, considered it, and came to the realization the statement concerning straight characters having Cass and Scribbles shouldn't be taken as definitive. Bare in mind the time this was spoken, and the fact these developers need 'approval' before they can reveal anything to the public. If they aren't allowed to reveal it, PR usually mandates you restrict yourself and your knowledge only to what is currently open for general consumption.

 

Looking at a chart you can come to the quick conclusion his statements can't be right if they're going for more equality between demographics. Let's consider, assuming the goal is as fair as possible given the characters, and the different orientations.

 

Straight Characters Revealed: Cullen (F), Cassandra (M)

 

Bi-sexual Characters: Scribbles and Ironbull

 

Lesbian: Sera

 

Gay: Dorian

 

Now we're left with 2 romance spots. Let's ignore race-gating at the moment, as hells knows what kind of rabbit hole we'd be getting into otherwise.

 

We have Varric, Solas, Viv, and Blackwall left over. Three men, and one female.

 

Varric: If anyone of the four stands the highest chance of being axed from the equation, it's him. I know all the people who play dwarves will snark, but we all know he has a troubled backstory with Bianca that hasn't seen fruition just yet. He is the only character of them all who has known racial likes and dis-likes, which at the very least axes out Humans, which leaves him with dwarves, elves, and Qunari. Even though I wanted to ignore race-gating, he's already started it by his own admittance.

 

Solas: This guy is interesting, I'll give you that. He's a dreamer, and that seems to be where his passion is. I don't know about anyone else, but when your entire life style could be loosely described as tripping balls and trying to make sense of it all, he's one of the most likely to be far more open with his romantic options. But would he be a race-gate? I don't know. With a persons entire focus being on dreams, I'd like to imagine the illusion of reality, be it the fact he is a man, an elf, straight or not would all seem so utterly inconsequential. 

 

Blackwall: The man lives and breaths the honor and sacrifice of a Warden. If anything he seems almost the least likely, given his age and just how long he has before the calling. I wouldn't put it past Bioware to create another romance ala Thane, were he has a condition that will ultimately kill him, so he should enjoy the time he has left with some one who can accept that, and love him not in spite of his death sentence, but because of it. Because it's part of what makes him who he is, even though it will ultimately bring sadness into the picture. 

 

And Viv: ... Really? I wouldn't be surprised if she's straight, or bi, or lesbian. If she thinks initiating a relationship is added insurance into her Agenda I wouldn't be surprised if she adapted her sexuality to fit her need. Given her inspiration (Whatever it is), I'd be more surprised if it turns into something similar to what could (possibly) happen to Morrigan in DA:O. Where she went along with the Wardens with a purpose and plan in her mind, only to realize the goal wasn't as important as the side-effect of achieving it; That being saving the life of the Warden(s), be it her lover, or her friend.

 

Anyway, I digress. The panel didn't answer anything, though it was nice to hear their view points on some things. I await the release of the final 2 romances with bated breath, and hope against hope everyone can find their peace with it. 

[The Elder King]

If Vivienne isn't an option, I see there being an especially large amount of rage. Especially if Varric is also straight, like I expect in that case. That's going to generate some pissed off people in at least 3 demographics. lol

Well, if Vivienne isn't an options there'll be another bisexual male, so male homosexuals will get either Solas or Blackwall in this case.
If one/two LI aren't bisexuals, of both LI are males, there'll be definitely someone who will be disappointed.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Man, I hope they just announce the last two at Comic Con this Friday. We're just going to go around and around in circles until we have all the information.

 

I think if it's bisexual Vivienne and any bisexual male, the reaction will be happiness from their fans and mild disappointment from the fans of the others that will be mostly isolated in their fan threads. Fans of Solas, Varric and Blackwall all seem like pretty sane people and I think everyone in those fan groups knows there's as good a chance as not that they wont get the slot right now. Everyone is prepared for disappointment, I believe. I think people will only riot if some group gets less, which could happen.

 

Yeah, I think this is how things will go down. If Varric isn't an option, I'll be sad for a bit but I'll get over it (especially if the winner in the 'who is the last male LI?' competition is Blackwall, but Solas seems like an interesting guy too.) If he is a romance option, party time in the Varric Thread! If he's a romance option but straight ... I think I'll go and hide under the bed.

[The Elder King]

The fact that there are race-gated romances, as well as the hint that some race/gender combo will have less options makes me think Varric has very good chances of being a LI.

[Ajna]

Man, I hope they just announce the last two at Comic Con this Friday. We're just going to go around and around in circles until we have all the information.


Yeah, I think this is how things will go down. If Varric isn't an option, I'll be sad for a bit but I'll get over it (especially if the winner in the 'who is the last male LI?' competition is Blackwall, but Solas seems like an interesting guy too.) If he is a romance option, party time in the Varric Thread! If he's a romance option but straight ... I think I'll go and hide under the bed.

There will be a party in the Varric thread whatever the gating, if any, we all hope bi, but if he's an LI, no matter what...there will be a party to end all parties and you deserve to be there A_R...

[Nocte ad Mortem]

If there's one male and one female that's race gated, then there basically has to be some race/gender combinations that get less. The only way there wouldn't be is if the two race gated characters were the same gender, both bisexual, and exactly balanced the gates of the other. 

[Sylvianus]

I personally just need to know who are the last two, ( I despise all this marketting around the romances, and I prefer how it was done with DAII where everything was announced at once at the same time. )  This is the last spoiler I need. I hope we won't wait until august, or worse, september.

 

Also, imagine if friday they announce only one Li. The torture for the fans left in the dark. 

[The Elder King]

If there's one male and one female that's race gated, then there basically has to be some race/gender combinations that get less. The only way there wouldn't be is if the two race gated characters were the same gender, both bisexual, and exactly balanced the gates of the other.

My point is that if both the male and female LI are bisexual and race gated, I think Gaider would've said some race will get less choices.
Maybe it's just me, but 'race-gender combo' makes me thing about the at least one do the last LI not being bisexual. Hopefully I'm wrong.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

There will be a party in the Varric thread whatever the gating, if any, we all hope bi, but if he's an LI, no matter what...there will be a party to end all parties and you deserve to be there A_R...

I know I wouldn't be celebrating if Solas is gay. It seems disrespectful to the people who are getting shorted for your benefit. 

[Ajna]

I knew someone would say something like this. The celebration would be for the fact it was actually made possible. I'm not going to ****** at the devs for making him straight or gay or whatever, the Cullenites had the exact same situation and they sure as hell celebrated, it's possible to be happy and still feel for those that are disappointed.