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[Phate Phoenix]

IF Varric is an LI he will be straight unless they want to go the anders route and change the character

 

Anders was always bisexual.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I knew someone would say something like this. The celebration would be for the fact it was actually made possible. I'm not going to ****** at the devs for making him straight or gay or whatever, the Cullenites had the exact same situation and they sure as hell celebrated, it's possible to be happy and still feel for those that are disappointed.

You're obviously free to do whatever you want. The first wave of monosexual LIs likely assumed equal options. Celebrating on the same day that another group learns they're being shorted is really tacky, to me. Personally, I will just express my disappointment, in this case.

[Yinello]

You're obviously free to do whatever you want. The first wave of monosexual LIs likely assumed equal options. Celebrating on the same day that another group learns they're being shorted is really tacky, to me. Personally, I will just express my disappointment, in this case.

 

We've been waiting for ages for Varric to become an LI. If he becomes one, gated as he most likely will be, we will celebrate because it's a huge accomplishment in itself to receive a Dwarf LI. If Vivienne were straight but an LI I would celebrate with the Viv thread too, despite my dissapointment. Being happy that someone is available in any form isn't disrespect for those Bioware chose to gate.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

We've been waiting for ages for Varric to become an LI. If he becomes one, gated as he most likely will be, we will celebrate because it's a huge accomplishment in itself to receive a Dwarf LI. If Vivienne were straight but an LI I would celebrate with the Viv thread too, despite my dissapointment. Being happy that someone is available in any form isn't disrespect for those Bioware chose to gate.

I don't agree with you, but you're obviously entitled to your opinion. I personally couldn't feel good celebrating knowing the decision shorted someone else.  

[Bluenoodle]

Basically we'd celebrate because we're happy we we're given a romance the devs didn't have to give us. Not because he's straight. Hell I'd celebrate if he was gay, straight, bi or pan I just want me some Varric.

[Ceoldoren]

I don't agree with you, but you're obviously entitled to your opinion. I personally couldn't feel good celebrating knowing the decision shorted someone else.  

You're taking it the wrong way, no ones happy to see anyone get less options. That sucks, and I'll be slightly disappointed if Varric is straight seeing as I'm a man. But people are entitled to be happy if their choice is given one of the 2 LI spots. That doesn't mean they aren't sad to see others not get what they want. But no one should be made to feel bad for being happy that their favorite character is an LI.

[Andraste_Reborn]

... and, see, this is exactly why I'd be hiding under the bed! (I have a notebook computer, though, so it would probably fit under there with me and I could still be in the Varric thread partying at the same time?)

 

I'll just really hope that the remaining love interests are bisexual (including Varric, if he is one).

[Fialka]

I don't agree with you, but you're obviously entitled to your opinion. I personally couldn't feel good celebrating knowing the decision shorted someone else.  

Same here... If Solas turns out to be a straight romance option, yes, I'll be happy for myself, but at the same time I'll feel really disappointed on behalf of his male fans that wanted to romance him. I certainly won't go posting happy-dance-party gifs in the Solas thread because I feel it would be like rubbing salt in the wound, regardless of the fact that it would be awesome for Bioware to finally make an intellectual, introverted male character a romance.  I'll be a lot happier if Solas is bi.

 

Not saying anyone else should feel obligated to feel or do the same, but that's my take on it.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

You're taking it the wrong way, no ones happy to see anyone get less options. That sucks, and I'll be slightly disappointed if Varric is straight seeing as I'm a man. But people are entitled to be happy if their choice is given one of the 2 LI spots. That doesn't mean they aren't sad to see others not get what they want. But no one should be made to feel bad for being happy that their favorite character is an LI.

I understand that they wouldn't specifically be happy that Varric was straight. If Solas was gay, then I would have an option I wanted, but mostly I would feel bad for his female fans and the fact that straight women got less options overall. I would express disappointment that the distribution wasn't equal and accept it quietly, rather than making a big spectacle that basically just rubs their nose in it. Especially since ME3 was a recent disappointment for women, too. I do see it as a little thoughtless, but obviously people do not have to give a **** about what I think about their actions. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Same here... If Solas turns out to be a straight romance option, yes, I'll be happy for myself, but at the same time I'll feel really disappointed on behalf of his male fans that wanted to romance him. I certainly won't go posting happy-dance-party gifs in the Solas thread because I feel it would be like rubbing salt in the wound, regardless of the fact that it would be awesome for Bioware to finally make an intellectual, introverted male character a romance.  I'll be a lot happier if Solas is bi.

 

Not saying anyone else should feel obligated to feel or do the same, but that's my take on it.

Exactly, that's what I'm saying. Thank you. 

[Fialka]

Exactly, that's what I'm saying. Thank you. 

 

 

you said exactly what i was about to say! fingers crossed for BI solas

*VIRTUAL HUG!*

 

I think this thread needs more hugs, come to think of it.  Too much bad juju up in here. 

[Vapaa]

You could argue that those extra romances shouldn't have been written at all if it skews things in such a way, but can you really attack the devs for creating more content - even if it does only benefit some people (or people willing to role-play outside their real-life gender/orientation)?

 

Yes I would.

[Bluenoodle]

I really wish people would look at this whole romance thing from a more positive aspect for once.

Personally I don't care about any of the LI's sexuality, what I care about is are they romanceable at all. If so then YAY! Cos as far as I'm concerned we aren't being forced to play our own gender/ sexuality. I'm more than happy to play a homosexual male to romance Dorian for instance. 

 

Yes I'd feel bad for those who WANTED to romance a certain NPC with a certain gender/ race, but are you really suggesting we all sit around solemnly holding hands and moping? Games are supposed to be fun, I for one will be celebrating despite the sexuality of the remaining LI's.

[Ceoldoren]

I understand that they wouldn't specifically be happy that Varric was straight. If Solas was gay, then I would have an option I wanted, but mostly I would feel bad for his female fans and the fact that straight women got less options overall. I would express disappointment that the distribution wasn't equal and accept it quietly, rather than making a big spectacle that basically just rubs their nose in it. Especially since ME3 was a recent disappointment for women, too. I do see it as a little thoughtless, but obviously people do not have to give a **** about what I think about their actions. 

Well it's not like we're going to run to every other possible LI's thread and scream "HAHA WE BEAT YOU !" We're going to celebrate in our own thread and share with the other threads our sympathies that their choice didn't get the spot.

[Sporothrix]

Maybe I don't have a problem with it because I personally don't see her giving a damn. Sure, I don't walk around in my swimsuit (or underwear) in front of straight men *or* lesbian women *or* anyone who is bisexual, pansexual, asexual, etc. Did I watch the YouTube video? No. I played the game. Several times. And I've played as a womanizing male so I didn't care. I was able to look past the fact that my male characters all stared at her whether they were straight or not because she's a confident woman who is comfortable with who she is.

 

And who she is? Lesbian who enjoys to sexually tease men? Actually, not even that - she's fictional character that was created on specific purpose.

Like I mentioned, straight men had actually more content with her.

 

I suppose that if she slept with him but *not give a damn*, like it's popular in TV shows, then it would be OK as well...

 

Are you even aware what kind of issues when it comes to portrayal of lesbians in our media it touches, and what kind of damaging stereotypes it perpetuates?

[Ynqve]

I understand that they wouldn't specifically be happy that Varric was straight. If Solas was gay, then I would have an option I wanted, but mostly I would feel bad for his female fans and the fact that straight women got less options overall. I would express disappointment that the distribution wasn't equal and accept it quietly, rather than making a big spectacle that basically just rubs their nose in it. Especially since ME3 was a recent disappointment for women, too. I do see it as a little thoughtless, but obviously people do not have to give a **** about what I think about their actions. 

 

Look, us Varricmancers will celebrate if he's an LI, no matter the gating. That does not mean that we'll rub it in peoples faces. If you read the Varric thread I think you'll notice that pretty much all of us want equality and that we will be sad for the people who won't get their preferred choice, again IF Varric is a romance. 

[Phate Phoenix]

Same here... If Solas turns out to be a straight romance option, yes, I'll be happy for myself, but at the same time I'll feel really disappointed on behalf of his male fans that wanted to romance him. I certainly won't go posting happy-dance-party gifs in the Solas thread because I feel it would be like rubbing salt in the wound, regardless of the fact that it would be awesome for Bioware to finally make an intellectual, introverted male character a romance.  I'll be a lot happier if Solas is bi.

 

Not saying anyone else should feel obligated to feel or do the same, but that's my take on it.

 

It's a hard line to toe. With Cullen, we'd known he was an LI for months before we knew his sexuality, so we could celebrate the announcement it's fullest. I don't know how we would've reacted had his sexuality come up at the same time. I do know that when it happened, I felt bad for the people who were hoping for Cullen to be bisexual, but that didn't kill my enthusiasm for his romance plot. (Neither did Dorian being gay, for that matter.)

 

People should be allowed to be happy about their favorites being an LI. It is possible to both celebrate that a character is an LI and feel bad that not all of that character's fans will be open to them. Now, how to do both respectfully is the hard thing, and perhaps should actually be discussed.

 

Should celebratory words and images be put behind spoilers? Should a few pages be designated a mourning period before people can post dancing gifs? Should an entirely separate "YAY LI" thread be made? Should there be no celebration at all--keep it to Twitter and Tumblr? What's the celebration policy? Or, rather, what's the celebration policy for this thread?

 

I'm actually interested in this, because I don't want to be an asshat to people. Say, if the Solas thread makes the decision that no celebration will be had if Solas isn't bisexual, I'll respect that. I'll find somewhere else to take that kind of expression. In the Cullen thread, after it was revealed there were set sexualities, the topic of "is Cullen bisexual or straight" was pretty much banned because it made people sad and anxious. But that's something each individual thread will have to figure out on their own.

[jtav]

If I somehow get what I want (Blackwall and anyone but Vivienne) I will celebrate--loudly for Blackwall and very quietly for Vivienne). This is regardless of Blackwall's orientation. My first concern is enjoyment. I was bitterly disappointed in Dorian because I had my heart set on him. But expecting his fans not to celebrate would have been unkind. I will offer condolences, but I will not be less happy.

[Fialka]

Yes I would.

I would respectfully disagree, then... 

 

For example, if it turns out that Viv is a bisexual LI and the other is a gay male... (I know, it's unlikely, but let's pretend for the sake of argument) I as a straight woman now have less options than the other groups.  I would be annoyed, sure, but at the same time, I still got two options.  These did not get taken away because that other content got added.  I still prefer that content did get added, because it will benefit other players, and, provided I'm willing to roleplay a gender/orientation that's different from my own, it can benefit me as well.  The alternative of them not adding those romances benefits no one.

 

Edit:  To be clear, in case it's not for those who didn't pay attention to/associate this with my previous posts, if the above scenario happened I would strongly question the decision not to make that gay male bisexual instead, as that would have been a relatively 'easy' fix for a huge imbalance issue. Even still, I'd prefer those options be there as opposed to not, even if it is unfair.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

People are free to celebrate however they want to, it's a public forum. If individual fan threads want to come to a group decision, then that's their thing. I would personally just avoid the thread for a couple weeks until I was pretty sure it was done, probably. 

 

I wouldn't do it because, like I said, I think it's insensitive to the people that aren't getting as many options. I really don't expect everyone to feel like I do, but I figure I already got the thing I wanted, so the very least I can do is be supportive to those who didn't and act with restraint in concern to things that will just highlight the fact that they must feel like doing the opposite of celebrating.   

[Vapaa]

I was bitterly disappointed in Dorian because I had my heart set on him. But expecting his fans not to celebrate would have been unkind. I will offer condolences, but I will not be less happy.

 

Dorian being gay didn't create an imbalance in the LI options, not having Vivienne and/or a straight BW/Varric/Solas would.

[javeart]

Ok, I been catching up and I know that I'm late to the party, and I know that we don't know nothing yet and that I'm probably reading too much into it and that I'm being pessimistics, and all. I still think after reading what DG said that the last two are not going to be bi   . It's either that or DG is one of those peopl who likes to watch the world burn    seriously, if they're going to be perfectly equal and fair, what's the need to come here to say that you don't need to give the same amount of option to every demographic to be fair   I mean, aside from making people suspicious and tense so they could startting fighting about it 

 

And if that was the case, first I'd definitely be the worst making predictions, and second, it would disappoint me a lot. Really, a lot. I honestly don't know why would they make two extra LI only to make the distribution unequal. Why wouldn't they just add one or two more love scenes for each romance? 

 

Also, I really disagree with the "there's always going to be someone unhappy" argument. I think a scenario where people could only disagree about "quality-distribution" is much better than one where some demographics could undeniably (with numbers) complain that they're getting less options. 

[javeart]

And I personally agree that a straight or gay or lesbian LI anouncement it's not a reason to celebrate. But, I understand that (most of) their fans are going to be happy.

[Chron0id]

Varric shouldn't be bi.  I've played through DA 2 at least 10 times over and Varric comes across as straight as the arrows that he shoots with Bianca.  If he ends up being an LI, he needs to be straight.  That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.