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[Sporothrix]

I honestly don't know why would they make two extra LI only to make the distribution unequal. Why wouldn't they just add one or two more love scenes for each romance? 

IIRC Gaider's words, it's because those are the stories they wanted to tell. And if those predictions about unequal distribution are true (which would mean lesbians having the least options while some demographics twice as much), then considering that there are no lesbian writers among them, no wonder that they were interested in this kind of stories only to the minimum, to the most basic level of giving choice between 2 options. Though if that's really the line of thinking behind it, I wouldn't raise my hope for the best quality of lesbian-only romance.

 

Sorry for being pissy, I still hope it won't turn out to be this way.

[Fialka]

Ok, I been catching up and I know that I'm late to the party, and I know that we don't know nothing yet and that I'm probably reading too much into it and that I'm being pessimistics, and all. I still think after reading what DG said that the last two are not going to be bi   . It's either that or DG is one of those peopl who likes to watch the world burn    seriously, if they're going to be perfectly equal and fair, what's the need to come here to say that you don't need to give the same amount of option to every demographic to be fair   I mean, aside from making people suspicious and tense so they could startting fighting about it 

It could be the second... this is David "thrives on fan tears" Gaider after all   Or, he just likes to play devil's advocate, much like I do in trying to rationalize why the final LIs might be imbalanced/why that might even be (partly) justifiable...even if my strong personal preference be that things end up equal for all.

[Phate Phoenix]

People are free to celebrate however they want to, it's a public forum. If individual fan threads want to come to a group decision, then that's their thing. I would personally just avoid the thread for a couple weeks until I was pretty sure it was done, probably. 

 

I wouldn't do it because, like I said, I think it's insensitive to the people that aren't getting as many options. I really don't expect everyone to feel like I do, but I figure I already got the thing I wanted, so the very least I can do is be supportive to those who didn't and act with restraint in concern to things that will just highlight the fact that they must feel like doing the opposite of celebrating.   

 

I see what you're saying, but I don't think it's fair to come down on someone for being happy they got what they wanted and wishing to express that happiness. I don't think that's what you were trying to do, but it read that way to me. And I do agree that it sucks that recent Dev statements have been pointing to certain demographics (probably straight men and lesbians) not getting a third option. But, I just... people should be allowed to be happy, just as much as people should be allowed to be sad. And, as long as they aren't being bottom-feeders about it, both of those people should be allowed to express that, here, on these forums.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

It could be the second... this is David "thrives on fan tears" Gaider after all   Or, he just likes to play devil's advocate, much like I do in trying to rationalize why the final LIs might be imbalanced/why that might even be (partly) justifiable...even if my strong personal preference be that things end up equal for all.

He could just be setting expectations in the long run, too. It's possible that they had time to make an equal 2/4/2 this time and might only have the resources for 5 with an extra somewhere again next time. It's possible he was setting expectations for disappointment this time, but he also might have just been saying that equal numbers are not their standard policy if they only have the time/resources for less.

 

Personally, I am one that would rather they focus on equal numbers (4 bisexual, 2/2/2, 2/4/2, etc.) and fold any "extra" resources into something else, but I could see this being a basic 'don't always expect equal numbers to be our policy' issue. At least that's at least the most optimistic outlook I can come up with?  

[Chron0id]

In an ideal world, everything would be fair, everything would be split up equally in perfect measure.  I really don't get why every one insists on having EVERY single romance be split into a perfect ratio of 2/2/2/2.  I mean how would that even work? Just make the last two romances vanilla straight male and vanilla straight female.  The LGBT community will raise their pitchforks but last I checked, the majority of the planet IS heterosexual.  I'm just stating this from an objective viewpoint here.  Majority rules.

[Chron0id]

He could just be setting expectations in the long run, too. It's possible that they had time to make an equal 2/4/2 this time and might only have the resources for 5 with an extra somewhere again next time. It's possible he was setting expectations for disappointment this time, but he also might have just been saying that equal numbers are not their standard policy if they only have the time/resources for less.

 

Personally, I am one that would rather they focus on equal numbers (4 bisexual, 2/2/2, 2/4/2, etc.) and fold any "extra" resources into something else, but I could see this being a basic 'don't always expect equal numbers to be our policy' issue. At least that's at least the most optimistic outlook I can come up with?  

That would be such a cop out though. 

[The Elder King]

IIRC Gaider's words, it's because those are the stories they wanted to tell. And if those predictions about unequal distribution are true (which would mean lesbians having the least options while some demographics twice as much), then considering that there are no lesbian writers among them, no wonder that they were interested in this kind of stories only to the minimum, to the most basic level of giving choice between 2 options. Though if that's really the line of thinking behind it, I wouldn't raise my hope for the best quality of lesbian-only romance.
 
Sorry for being pissy, I still hope it won't turn out to be this way.

You do know that it's possible that there'll be un equal distributions with lesbian having as many options as straight males ans straight females if Vivienne is bi and Varric/Solas/Blackwall is straight?
Expecting the worst and/or be disappointed if you have less options is totally fine. But while it seems likely there might be uneven options, we don't know who will be affected if this theory turns out to be true.

[Vegeta 77]

If the last two options are male i don´t see this as a good thing to give 2 groups less options. And seems like a stupid thing to do that will make people angry and could have just done the right choice by making it equal.  I don´t see the point making it unequal.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

That would be such a cop out though. 

Why?

[Chron0id]

Why?

They wouldn't be able to tell the story they would want to tell all for the sake of making it PERFECTLY equal for EVERYONE. 

[Jewlie Ghoulie]

On the topic of the 'Celebrating when an LI is announced';

 

I don't think it's wrong of fans to be excited for the person they wanted as an LI to be announced. And it's not like it hasn't been done before. I am someone who wants Varric as an LI, and if he is announced, I will be happy. With my friends in the Varric forum we will be expressing our happiness with one another, but if he isn't announced we will also be expressing our disappointment. We won't be lighting up torches, swearing off Dragon Age and being bitter towards those who got their wanted LI. I for one have gone to other threads, namely the Solas one when they've been down on his chances and spoke to them, reminding them of the chances Solas does have. Even at this point, he does have the same chance as any of the other companions, which I am aware of. If Solas, Blackwall, or Vivienne are announced as LI's over Varric, who I want the most I won't be mad at the fans for celebrating or mad at Bioware. It just wasn't meant to happen and I'll congratulate those who are happy. I don't really like the idea of people thinking Varric fans are going to react childlishly over it, rub it in people's faces in celebration. We plan on keeping it in the Varric thread which OF COURSE would have celebration. Every time an LI's been announced, the fans have been celebrating. Dorian, IJosephine, Iron Bull, Sera, Cassandra, and Cullen as well. Some were disappointed with sexuality, and some might be in the future but there were always those who wanted them as an Li rejoicing.

 

I think the only reason people are upset at the notion that Varric fans (Or any other fans that no doubt will celebrate over their selected LI being chosen if it's the case) celebrating is because it could possibly be one of the last announced LI and things are tense now. But, I think it's unfair to ignore the fact that others have celebrated and rightly so when they're happy with an announcement. As long as no one is antagonizing, which Allan had said was not allowed and for the most part, that has been controlled. No one is wrong.

 

I for one will be happy if Varric is an LI, and if not I will be happy for the others who got who they wanted and still enjoy this game.

 

I felt it needed to be said, feel free to disagree.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

They wouldn't be able to tell the story they would want to tell all for the sake of making it PERFECTLY equal for EVERYONE. 

How do you know what story they wanted to tell?

[Chron0id]

How do you know what story they wanted to tell?

That's true.  It's all speculation at this point.   Guess we'll just have to wait and see. 

[Fialka]

They wouldn't be able to tell the story they would want to tell all for the sake of making it PERFECTLY equal for EVERYONE. 

I don't see how making a character bisexual instead of straight changes their story?  Or even them as a character?  I mean, I can get how someone trying to write, say, Cullen romancing a man might have trouble in trying to keep him consistent with his past self, I don't see how making, say, Vivienne, bisexual would change the story they want to tell with her since she's a completely new character.

[javeart]

IIRC Gaider's words, it's because those are the stories they wanted to tell. And if those predictions about unequal distribution are true (which would mean lesbians having the least options while some demographics twice as much), then considering that there are no lesbian writers among them, no wonder that they were interested in this kind of stories only to the minimum, to the most basic level of giving choice between 2 options. Though if that's really the line of thinking behind it, I wouldn't raise my hope for the best quality of lesbian-only romance.

 

Sorry for being pissy, I still hope it won't turn out to be this way.

 

Personally, I completely understand if you're. I hope too my feeling about the "meaning" of his words is wrong (I'm wrong very often, so there's a good chance  )

 

About the "stories they want to tell" argument, Ok, I'm really happy for them if they have that much autonomy to make this kind of decisions, but I really think there's nothing wrong with listening to your fans, especially when it comes to what I think it is a sensible request. They could have told with much more detail those first six stroies they wanted to tell... I think that could be satisfying for them too, wouldn't it? 

 

 

It could be the second... this is David "thrives on fan tears" Gaider after all     Or, he just likes to play devil's advocate, much like I do in trying to rationalize why the final LIs might be imbalanced/why that might even be (partly) justifiable...even if my strong personal preference be that things end up equal for all.

 

I know it could be just that   then we don't need to wonder any more about all those angry banters in DA2. DA writters seem to love seeing people tearing each other apart   (oh, well, fortunately thing didn't get that far hear... so far  )

[javeart]

ok, I write so slow...

 

 

 

He could just be setting expectations in the long run, too. It's possible that they had time to make an equal 2/4/2 this time and might only have the resources for 5 with an extra somewhere again next time. It's possible he was setting expectations for disappointment this time, but he also might have just been saying that equal numbers are not their standard policy if they only have the time/resources for less.

 

Personally, I am one that would rather they focus on equal numbers (4 bisexual, 2/2/2, 2/4/2, etc.) and fold any "extra" resources into something else, but I could see this being a basic 'don't always expect equal numbers to be our policy' issue. At least that's at least the most optimistic outlook I can come up with?  

 

I thought about that, but when they found themselves with the least possible resources they did a 4-bi LIs and that was perfectly fair. 

[Panda]

I think people should be free to be happy when LI is announced. I'd be very happy if Solas is LI and quite happy with Varric no matter their sexuality. I think people can also be able to be happy if LI's have sexuality they hoped they would as long it doesn't get all schadenfreude-happy. Everyone can't be happy (unless LI is bi, then most people are happy but there will still be complainers).

[jtav]

I don't see how making a character bisexual instead of straight changes their story?  Or even them as a character?  I mean, I can get how someone trying to write, say, Cullen romancing a man might have trouble in trying to keep him consistent with his past self, I don't see how making, say, Vivienne, bisexual would change the story they want to tell with her since she's a completely new character.

You could say the same about Dorian or Sera. I think Dorian's orientation adds to his character concept. Some tropes play differently depending on whether they're applied to a straight man or a lesbian or bisexual or what have you.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

 

ok, I write so slow...

 

I thought about that, but when they found themselves with the least possible resources they did a 4-bi LIs and that was perfectly fair. 

 

They didn't mind adding Sebastian, though. 

[Ray561]

People seem to be to concerned about number and not about what they should be the Quality of the choice's they have got.

[javeart]

They didn't mind adding Sebastian, though. 

 

True   what I meant it's there's a great solution to give everyone the same number of options with only 4 LIs, and they have said that they're putting set sexualities back only because they can make more LIs this time, so I expect than in the future, it will be the same: if they have resources for only 4 LIs, all bi, more LIs... well, until today I was expecting that more LIs would always mean set sexualities, the same number for each demographic

[Vegeta 77]

I think people should be free to be happy when LI is announced. I'd be very happy if Solas is LI and quite happy with Varric no matter their sexuality. I think people can also be able to be happy if LI's have sexuality they hoped they would as long it doesn't get all schadenfreude-happy. Everyone can't be happy (unless LI is bi, then most people are happy but there will still be complainers).

If people are happy about getting there li thats fine but it should be done in there own thread not this one. Cause it will get a bad reaction out of people and this thread will get shut down again.

[javeart]

People seem to be to concerned about number and not about what they should be the Quality of the choice's they have got.

 

Well, we can't judge quality until we play the game. We can judge numbers as soon as they announce the last two LIs. The two things are not mutually exclusive