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[Nocte ad Mortem]

People seem to be to concerned about number and not about what they should be the Quality of the choice's they have got.

I assume Bioware will write all their LIs to be of similar quality. Do you have any reason to think they wont? 

[javeart]

I agree I mean I'm all for more bisexual LI's but Varric just isn't bi in DA II and now somehow in DA:I

he likes men seems pure fanservice to me(if that will be the case)

 

but how do you know he's not bisexual? Did I miss a conversation or something?

 

Also, sexuality can be fluid and all that

[azarhal]

I don't see how making a character bisexual instead of straight changes their story?  Or even them as a character?  I mean, I can get how someone trying to write, say, Cullen romancing a man might have trouble in trying to keep him consistent with his past self, I don't see how making, say, Vivienne, bisexual would change the story they want to tell with her since she's a completely new character.

 

Vivienne might be a new character to us, she is not a new character to the her writer. Mary have been working with her for what 3 years by now?

 

To the writers, the characters are like their children. Trying to change something about them past a certain design phase is just creating a whole new character. Character's story means their back-stories. Those back-stories is what affect how they behave. Some of that stuff might not make it into the games, but the writers are very well aware that they exist when they write the plot for the characters.

 

Shifting a character from straight to bisexual would mean:

- Adding past and future relationships for both genders

- Adding hints that the character is now bisexual in both behavior and dialogs

- Changing how they would approach people of the same gender

 

At that point you have a new character, his behavior changed, his past probably changed and his view on people changed. You don't have Vivienne anymore, you have another character that just happen to share the name Vivienne and her social position.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

True   what I meant it's there's a great solution to give everyone the same number of options with only 4 LIs, and they have said that they're putting set sexualities back only because they can make more LIs this time, so I expect than in the future, it will be the same: if they have resources for only 4 LIs, all bi, more LIs... well, until today I was expecting that more LIs would always mean set sexualities, the same number for each demographic

They've said that they will prioritize offering everyone 2 options. It's been made pretty clear that everyone will get 2 at the least. That's why there were four options with no gates. They only had enough resources for everyone to get the minimum 2. Beyond that, I don't know.

[Corypheus]

I hope they'd decide to announce the 'few' asexual romance options available for the PC after the last two companions and presumably all race/gender gates reveals.

[Panda]

If people are happy about getting there li thats fine but it should be done in there own thread not this one. Cause it will get a bad reaction out of people and this thread will get shut down again.

 

I don't get the idea of painting happiness as bad thing but I will most likely take it to characters own thread.. or then Cullen's thread ^^; I guess that's safest cource of action then.

[javeart]

Vivienne might be a new character to us, she is not a new character to the her writer. Mary have been working with her for what 3 years by now?

 

To the writers, the characters are like their children. Trying to change something about them past a certain design phase is just creating a whole new character. Character's story means their back-stories. Those back-stories is what affect how they behave. Some of that stuff might not make it into the games, but the writers are very well aware that they exist when they write the plot for the characters.

 

Shifting a character from straight to bisexual would mean:

- Adding past and future relationships for both genders

- Adding hints that the character is now bisexual in both behavior and dialogs

- Changing how they would approach people of the same gender

 

At that point you have a new character, his behavior changed, his past probably changed and his view on people changed. You don't have Vivienne anymore, you have another character that just happen to share the name Vivienne and her social position.

 

I don't agree that it would mean that much changes. There's really no need for every companion to tell us all about their past relationships, and I don't know whay they should add "hints" about their bisexuality, or why should they approach different genders differently. All of those variations depends much more on the type of person they are that on their sexuality, IMO

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

then considering that there are no lesbian writers among them, no wonder that they were interested in this kind of stories only to the minimum

 

David Gaider, despite being gay, has also written very interesting and believable straight characters and romances. So your argument doesn't stick. You don't have to be straight to make compelling straight romances, you don't have to be a woman to make compelling female characters, and so on and so forth.

[Fialka]

You could say the same about Dorian or Sera. I think Dorian's orientation adds to his character concept. Some tropes play differently depending on whether they're applied to a straight man or a lesbian or bisexual or what have you.

That's totally true... I was mostly just arguing with that person because in a previous post they said they preferred the remaining LIs be straight, because, majority rules or what have you  (I'm paraphrasing here, but that's what I got out of it...)  Yes, I think creating characters who are gay or even bi had the potential to enrich their story... I don't think making characters straight really adds anything story-wise (and I say this as a straight person).  Not that they (or I should say, we) shouldn't be included, I just was debating the fact that this poster was using 'The Story' as an argument for the remaining romances being straight... even if I might be inclined to agree in the case of, say, Varric - who, to me, being written as bi in Inquisition could be problematic.

[Ray561]

I assume Bioware will write all their LIs to be of similar quality. Do you have any reason to think they wont? 

no I don't that's not my point but look at some of the romances in the past e.g mass effect 3 Samantha here content is seen as lacking by meany People ( Alot of the romance options were in ME3.) or Zevean out right stating that he prefers women over men that can annoy people.

 

However I don't think it will be a problem with DAI. 

[Deviija]

 

Anders was bi, talked a lot of flirting game about women in Awakening, and people didn't realize it until DA2.  Kaidan was bi, available as LI for FemShep and talked about a past girl he had a crush on, and people didn't realize it until ME3.  Varric never stated that he is heterosexual.  It is entirely in the realm of possibility.  

 

If all I did was speak about my husband and never reference my own sexuality, it is easy for people to assume one thing or another about me.  Wouldn't make me any less bi, it'd just be people making assumptions based off a few lines I say.  

[Fialka]

 

 

Anders was bi, talked a lot of flirting game about women in Awakening, and people didn't realize it until DA2.  Kaidan was bi, available as LI for FemShep and talked about a past girl he had a crush on, and people didn't realize it until ME3.  Varric never stated that he is heterosexual.  It is entirely in the realm of possibility.  

 

If all I did was speak about my husband and never reference my own sexuality, it is easy for people to assume one thing or another about me.  Wouldn't make me any less bi, it'd just be people making assumptions based off a few lines I say.  

 

Oh, absolutely... that's why I tend to use phrases like 'could be problematic.' It really depends on how the write handles it.  I guess I just prefer the idea of an openly bisexual male LI, rather than another one that seems to vastly prefer women and/or be vastly more comfortable talking about women.

[javeart]

They've said that they will prioritize offering everyone 2 options. It's been made pretty clear that everyone will get 2 at the least. That's why there were four options with no gates. They only had enough resources for everyone to get the minimum 2. Beyond that, I don't know.

 

But the only option to give everybody 2 options is making the distribution equal, unless they have as many LIs as they have now. I don't know, I have trouble picturing a future scenario where making the distribution unequal it's more likely than it is now

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Oh, absolutely... that's why I tend to use phrases like 'could be problematic.' It really depends on how the write handles it.  I guess I just prefer the idea of an openly bisexual male LI, rather than another one that seems to vastly prefer women and/or be vastly more comfortable talking about women.

This is how I feel. Either Solas or Blackwall could have offered a totally blank slate with no obvious preference. Even Cullen would have been less pronounced than Varric. We've already gotten so many bi males that clearly prefer women and have a strong history of talking about and being involved with mainly women. Varric would be the worst example of this out of all the possible males.  

[Vegeta 77]

Varric could be bi but just like cass there was two hints of her being straight the kiss and Varric crush line. People took this as a sign that she was straight and just like Cullen. Varric has only shown interest in women so i take this as a hint his straight just like i did with Cullen.

[Sporothrix]

You could say the same about Dorian or Sera. I think Dorian's orientation adds to his character concept. Some tropes play differently depending on whether they're applied to a straight man or a lesbian or bisexual or what have you.

 

Unfortunately, judging from what Lucas said about Sera's lesbianism, it appears it won't add much and we'll be back at pretending that it's a non-issue that's not even something that's worth mentioning.

[Sylvianus]

Their goal isn't to offer equal options. They just don't want people feeling like an afterthought. So they only see as a requirement to give at least two options to everyone. After because they want to or that's the story they want to tell, they could add one  more or two options for one demographic for example. Etc.

 

As for Varric, I don't see him as bisexual. He was more blatant than Cullen and especially Cassandra. Those two had a big fanbase among the lgbt community, that didn't change anything, they are straight. So, personally, I don't see Varric as bisexual in DAI either.

 

For me he is either available as straight or unavailable. But like I said, if he is available as bisexual, I will eat my hat. 

[CuriousArtemis]

To the writers, the characters are like their children. Trying to change something about them past a certain design phase is just creating a whole new character. 

 

Changing a character's sexuality (which is what you're implying) is not creating a whole new character. I've written a character as gay in one piece and then straight in another; he was essentially the same character.

 

Then again, he could've been bisexual the whole time and the reader would've never known.

[CuriousArtemis]

Unfortunately, judging from what Lucas said about Sera's lesbianism, it appears it won't add much and we'll be back at pretending that it's a non-issue that's not even something that's worth mentioning.

 

It might not matter to her and the world she lives in. 

[pallascedar]

I kinda doubt that Viv or the final man (if that's how the LIs roll out) will be straight. If the genders are equal, purposefully giving less options to homosexuals again just feels dishonest to everything they talk about. I fail to see how telling a straight characters story would be inherently different from a bi characters story. Of course, I'm not writing these characters: and I shouldn't assume (but I'm going to anyways).

If there is inequality, it would make much more sense to me that this inequality stemmed from Viv not being an LI. I understand why a writer might just not want a character to be an LI. I have more trouble understanding why they just wouldn't want to write her as attracted to women.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

But the only option to give everybody 2 options is making the distribution equal, unless they have as many LIs as they have now. I don't know, I have trouble picturing a future scenario where making the distribution unequal it's more likely than it is now

Well, I imagine just another situation like Sebastian, where they have someone they want to make an LI, but they don't have options to balance them. Except it probably won't be DLC next time, since they don't seem to like doing it anymore.

[Reznore57]

Unfortunately, judging from what Lucas said about Sera's lesbianism, it appears it won't add much and we'll be back at pretending that it's a non-issue that's not even something that's worth mentioning.

 

Because it's a non issue for Sera?

It seems to me, she does whatever the hell she wants , and since she's a city elf thief ...well there's probably not a lot of pressure to get her married .

For now it seems in Thedas homosexuality is only a potential problem if there's a marriage on the line .

That's why Dorian face some pressure , and I suppose Sera doesn't.

 

It still gives you two different story about gay relationships.

That's how I feel about it anyway.

[javeart]

Their goal isn't to offer equal options. They just don't want people feeling like an afterthought. So they only see as a requirement to give at least two options to everyone. After because they want to or that's the story they want to tell, they could add one  more or two options for one demographic for example. Etc.

 

As for Varric, I don't see him as bisexual. He was more blatant than Cullen and especially Cassandra. Those two had a big fanbase among the lgbt community, that didn't change anything, they are straight. So, personally, I don't see Varric as bisexual in DAI either.

 

For me he is either available as straight or unavailable. But like I said, if he is available as bisexual, I will eat my hat. 

 

I got that much very clear from DG post   Still it would be so easy to give everyone equal options, I can't really understand why wouldn't they do it... 

[The Elder King]

Because it's a non issue for Sera?
It seems to me, she does whatever the hell she wants , and since she's a city elf thief ...well there's probably not a lot of pressure to get her married .
For now it seems in Thedas homosexuality is only a potential problem if there's a marriage on the line .
That's why Dorian face some pressure , and I suppose Sera doesn't.
 
It still gives you two different story about gay relationships.
That's how I feel about it anyway.

I actually think that CE (as dalish) are pressured on marriages.