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It might not matter to her and the world she lives in.
I think that's the case. The only reason why it matters to Dorian story, after all it's because a very specific context ("noble", Tevinter).
edit: reading what other people it's saying, I realized I was missing it can be an issue in so many other contexts, even if not that big
I actually think that CE (as dalish) are pressured on marriages.
They usually are, you see that in the CE origin. I don't think it would necessarily be an issue for Sera, though. If you're a member of an underground crime syndicate, I imagine you do things your own way. I think the arranged marriages are more for the "by the books" types.
They usually are, you see that in the CE origin. I don't think it would necessarily be an issue for Sera, though. If you're a member of an underground crime syndicate, I imagine you do things your own way. I think the arranged marriages are more for the "by the books" types.
They usually are, you see that in the CE origin. I don't think it would necessarily be an issue for Sera, though. If you're a member of an underground crime syndicate, I imagine you do things your own way. I think the arranged marriages are more for the "by the books" types.
It seems to depend on the parents as they are the ones who arrange them. Sera might not have parents.
Vivienne might be a new character to us, she is not a new character to the her writer. Mary have been working with her for what 3 years by now?
To the writers, the characters are like their children. Trying to change something about them past a certain design phase is just creating a whole new character.
Shifting a character from straight to bisexual would mean:
- Adding past and future relationships for both genders
- Adding hints that the character is now bisexual in both behavior and dialogs
- Changing how they would approach people of the same gender
It seems to depend on the parents as they are the ones who arrange them. Sera might not have parents.
Yeah, that's a good point. It may be a situation more like Zevran, where she was an orphan or had parents that weren't "by the books" types, either.
Well, I imagine just another situation like Sebastian, where they have someone they want to make an LI, but they don't have options to balance them. Except it probably won't be DLC next time, since they don't seem to like doing it anymore.
I seriously cannot imagine that they would go with 4 BI + one if it's not with a companion DLC. It'd be really weird, wouldn't it? 
I don't know, I might be too pessimistic about it, and after all he was lowering expectations for future games... I hope that's the case, because it'd be equally bad i it happen in DA4, but there would be still a chance that they change their mind about it
I seriously cannot imagine that they would go with 4 BI + one if it's not with a companion DLC. It'd be really weird, wouldn't it?
I don't know, I might be too pessimistic about it, and after all he was lowering expectations for future games... I hope that's the case, because I'd be equally bad i it happen in DA4, but there would be still a chance that they change their mind about it
Yeah, I understand. There's no great way to take it. 
I've never heard Mary say this. I'd heard David talk about how David views writing and characters, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't speak for all writers everywhere.
It's not just Gaider, most professional writers are like this (and I'm not talking just BioWare writers, I'm talking in general). In the case of Mary, I can't tell about Vivienne, but she does love Varric a lot (she even named one of her cat after him).
Before anything else: I would be infuriated if she slept with a man like those TV shows. I don't watch those because I think those are degrading. I saw Samantha Traynor, a fictional character, as someone hanging out with a male friend that may or may not have been attracted to her depending on the character that the gamers played.
I don't make a choice to watch this kind of shows specifically for this trope, it's just that usually when lesbian character is introduced, sooner or later she ends up having sex with a man (usually looking like she enjoys it). It seems that it's actively pushed by network bosses, since in one such instance, when that trope was used in NBC Dracula, the creator of the show himself joined the critiques and said that the episode was executed in offensive way against writers' intentions (though initially lesbian character was still meant to sleep with a man, but she was supposed to look traumatized by it - in actual episode, or specifically, version that was aired in Britain, she ended up looking like it was extremely enjoyable experience for her).
As for Traynor, I think that comments under those YT videos show the best what was the purpose of it.
No matter what though, in the end, you will stick with what you said because you believe it and I will stick with what I said because I believe it. I'm a bisexual woman who is embarrassed of my body and maybe for me, seeing Traynor walk around in her swimsuit around a male friend made her seem confident and comfortable to me.
Traynor is lesbian though, not bisexual, and the fact she was used as sexual tease for men made me, "corrective" rape survivor, feel uncomfortable.
That being said, let me put it this way; I appreciate Bioware for that fact of the matter that they *tried*.
It's not like Bioware is the only company that touches this kind of themes these days, we're not in situation that we shouldn't be critical because it could discourage them to do it ever again. Gone Home was done by 2 straight guys and straight woman (later lesbian woman joined the team, but from what I understand the story was already written and she was there for technical side of game development). And they managed to make a great story, avoiding all the damaging tropes.
They succeeded in the eyes of some and failed in the eyes of others. You and I are both right. If they (people who played ME3) saw what you see then yes, it is damaging; if they saw what I see then it's what I originally replied.
No, actually it would be damaging if they didn't see those issues, because then it would just subconsciously reinforce stereotypes about lesbians encouraged by our society. And like I said above, reaction of youtubers shows what majority among target demographic of those scenes, straight men, saw in it.
Even Cullen would have been less pronounced than Varric.
As for Varric, I don't see him as bisexual. He was more blatant than Cullen and especially Cassandra.
While I don't mean to imply that I think "did he come off as straight as Cullen and Cassandra" would have been one of the writers' concerns when deciding his orientation if they made Varric a DAI romance, I strongly disagree with this. With Cullen we had the metagame knowledge that he was attracted to every possible fSurana and fAmell but no possible mSurana or mAmell. With Varric, all we have are a past relationship and a bunch of jokey comments about situations that would be improved if there were more ladies present, the latter of which was also true of DAA Anders and similar to ME3 Kaidan. (I know you guys have discussed this a million times, since I've been Like-lurking for ages, but I haven't seen the "actions speak louder than words" argument applied to Varric in a while.)
In any event, for whatever my opinion is worth, if I were a dude Varric fan I wouldn't be any more concerned than if I were a lady Varric fan right now. I do hope the last 2 LI's are bi, whoever they are.
While I don't mean to imply that I think "did he come off as straight as Cullen and Cassandra" would have been one of the writers' concerns when deciding his orientation if they made Varric a DAI romance, I strongly disagree with this. With Cullen we had the metagame knowledge that he was attracted to every possible fSurana and fAmell but no possible mSurana or mAmell. With Varric, all we have are a past relationship and a bunch of jokey comments about situations that would be improved if there were more ladies present, the latter of which was also true of DAA Anders and similar to ME3 Kaidan. (I know you guys have discussed this a million times, since I've been Like-lurking for ages, but I haven't seen the "actions speak louder than words" argument applied to Varric in a while.)
In any event, for whatever my opinion is worth, if I were a dude Varric fan I wouldn't be any more concerned than if I were a lady Varric fan right now. I do hope the last 2 LI's are bi, whoever they are.
I also recently played DAII with Varric in my party. I was in the whorehouse working for Cullen and I wanted to ask the blood mage what happened to one of the Templar recruits, and Varric in her grip was literally and absolutely lustful with the lady. Like Isabela as well, as usual. Why I don't have this reaction with Aveline ? I always have Aveline in my party, and she is never affected. ( Don't know about Fenris and Anders though )
Also Bethany is never attracted to the bloodmage, only in her grip.
I also recently played DAII with Varric in my party. I was in the whorehouse working for Cullen and I wanted to ask the blood mage what happened to one of the Templar recruits, and Varric in her grip was literally and absolutely lustful with the lady. Like Isabela as well, as usual. Why I don't have this reaction with Aveline ? I always have Aveline in my party, and she is never affected. ( Don't know about Fenris and Anders though )
Are you saying that Blood Mage can be used has litmus test for sexual preference(s) in the DA series?
I also recently played DAII with Varric in my party. I was in the whorehouse working for Cullen and I wanted to ask the blood mage what happened to one of the Templar recruits, and Varric in her grip was literally and absolutely lustful with the lady. Like Isabela as well, as usual. Why I don't have this reaction with Aveline ? I always have Aveline in my party, and she is never affected. ( Don't know about Fenris and Anders though )
Also Bethany is never attracted to the bloodmage, only in her grip.
That just shows whether all those people do or don't like women, though, not whether they like women exclusively. (And I seem to remember my straight f!Hawke seeming oddly turned on, against my own input...? That was such a great quest in terms of interactive storytelling.) If there's a similar thing with a man coming on to party members that I've forgotten, I totally take it back, but I can't remember one.
Are you saying that Blood Mage can be used has litmus test for sexual preference(s) in the DA series?
I'm thinking Varric has showed his attraction toward women, even if it was against his will during this moment. Varric showed blatant attraction for women in DAII.
David Gaider, despite being gay, has also written very interesting and believable straight characters and romances. So your argument doesn't stick. You don't have to be straight to make compelling straight romances, you don't have to be a woman to make compelling female characters, and so on and so forth.
For some reason I really don't recall even one portrayal of lesbian character done by gay man that didn't turn out to be demeaning (the same is true for lesbian portrayals done by bisexual women), while some of the best lesbian characters I know were made by straight men.
Anyway, I was only talking about his own words. If lesbians really get the least number of options, just the minimal number they all decided to give anyone, then according to his own words apparently lesbian stories are not the stories they were interested in telling. So, maybe having lesbian writers among them would change that.
For some reason I really don't recall even one portrayal of lesbian character done by gay man that didn't turn out to be demeaning (the same is true for lesbian portrayals done by bisexual women), while some of the best lesbian characters I know were made by straight men.
Ok. Since you're gonna throw out such an enormously dumb blanket statement, give me some examples of lesbians written by gay men OR bisexual women that turned out to be demeaning.
While I don't mean to imply that I think "did he come off as straight as Cullen and Cassandra" would have been one of the writers' concerns when deciding his orientation if they made Varric a DAI romance, I strongly disagree with this. With Cullen we had the metagame knowledge that he was attracted to every possible fSurana and fAmell but no possible mSurana or mAmell. With Varric, all we have are a past relationship and a bunch of jokey comments about situations that would be improved if there were more ladies present, the latter of which was also true of DAA Anders and similar to ME3 Kaidan. (I know you guys have discussed this a million times, since I've been Like-lurking for ages, but I haven't seen the "actions speak louder than words" argument applied to Varric in a while.)
In any event, for whatever my opinion is worth, if I were a dude Varric fan I wouldn't be any more concerned than if I were a lady Varric fan right now. I do hope the last 2 LI's are bi, whoever they are.
Given the situation with Kaidan and Anders, I think it's possible that they would make Varric bisexual. However, I would personally rather they didn't. They have a chance with either Solas or Blackwall to give us a bisexual male that didn't already have a history of often talking about and demonstrating his attraction to women and of having a history largely based around his relationship with a woman. We've already gotten so many bisexual men with a strong slant towards women. That's clearly evidence that they're willing to do it, but I hope for a change that they won't.
For some reason I really don't recall even one portrayal of lesbian character done by gay man that didn't turn out to be demeaning (the same is true for lesbian portrayals done by bisexual women), while some of the best lesbian characters I know were made by straight men.
Anyway, I was only talking about his own words. If lesbians really get the least number of options, just the minimal number they all decided to give anyone, then according to his own words apparently lesbian stories are not the stories they were interested in telling. So, maybe having lesbian writers among them would change that.
Wow.
It's good to know that (potentially) having insufficient romance options specifically tailored for one's interests is a form of oppression... and if one can simultaneously imply that that potential must exist because the lead writer either hates lesbians or can't understand them, all the better.
I was about to respond to some earlier concerns, but I think this is the point where I need to stop looking at this thread altogether.
I also recently played DAII with Varric in my party. I was in the whorehouse working for Cullen and I wanted to ask the blood mage what happened to one of the Templar recruits, and Varric in her grip was literally and absolutely lustful with the lady. Like Isabela as well, as usual. Why I don't have this reaction with Aveline ? I always have Aveline in my party, and she is never affected. ( Don't know about Fenris and Anders though )
You have to take her by herself to get that I think, she says something about how you should be nice to her..not really attraction or anything but still. Acts all Aveline like.
I don't think or know if Bethany or Anders react to her bloodmagic, I think Fenris does though.
You have to take her by herself to get that I think, she says something about how you should be nice to her..not really attraction or anything but still. Acts all Aveline like.
I don't think or know if Bethany or Anders react to her bloodmagic, I think Fenris does though.
I thought Justice took over with Anders and stopped her? Maybe I'm imagining this.
I thought Justice took over with Anders and stopped her? Maybe I'm imagining this.
I don't really take Anders places...hes a little always like that. Justice being dominate or not. but thats apparently why i love him.
But it's not really complicated to only take One party member to do that with you, don't really need to fight anything, and Hawke breaks out of the Bloodmagic by herself anyway if noone is around to help.
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