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Still, at least you had Alistair as an option, which is better than having none at all.
True but acting like it was a complete great option is where I go "meh". Was it better than what other people got? Some yeah. But it sucked in certain ways too (as straight female romances sometimes (often is unfair) suck cause we get the "special" **** thrown in).
I hate the last part of his romance so much I switched to romancing Leliana out of distaste.
True but acting like it was a complete great option is where I go "meh". Was it better than what other people got? Some yeah. But it sucked in certain ways too (as straight female romances sometimes (often is unfair) suck cause we get the "special" **** thrown in).
I hate the last part of his romance so much I switched to romancing Leliana out of distaste.
Yay Leliana!
DAI is getting push back to November? *sigh* This hurts a little bit not sure if I can wait without going crazy and I was really excited to get that game for my birthday too. Any one know why the push back by the way?
I also really hate the "and it only happened to straight females" because well... tons of gay men totally wanted to romance Alistair but couldn't. You can be unhappy with aspects of the Alistair romance, but you definitely can't claim that you didn't get the better deal than gay men.
And frankly, I just don't know what people expected. Kings have duties, and in Thedas a human King can't marry an elf, or a mage, or a dwarf.
I hate the quoted implication, too, because in almost every instance gay males either had the same option, or just less overall. The only exclusive option we've actually seen in game, Cortez, was a huge Carth Syndrome sufferer, which is a popular complaint for straight females.
They want more time to polish the game and fix bugs, to give the best game possible. ( maybe multiplayer feature included too ? )
Yay Leliana!
XD indeed.
DAI is getting push back to November? *sigh* This hurts a little bit not sure if I can wait without going crazy and I was really excited to get that game for my birthday too. Any one know why the push back by the way?
Yep. *comforts* Polishing I think.
Yeah that's your opinion and all.
Same as the above. But that's the great things about opinions! They vary. I don't see having 2 options to someone else's 3 to be unfair and worth getting aggravated over. You do. BTW It's not just the sex. It's the whole persuade him (when his default is to DIE instead) and the "hurr durr he can have a kid with her but not you." that's the kick in the nads.
Yeah, but just about every relationship in DA:O is problematic. Morrigan spends the entire game lying to you about her reasons for being in the party and then leaves you post game no matter what. Zevran is a an assassin that tried to kill you and killed his last lover: he also ends up killing another friend/lover specifically for you; not only that, but Zevran is the only LI who you can kill before he even gets a chance to speak. Leliana is a spy who definitely isn't entirely who she claims to be: it's pretty unclear how much of her innocence is an act and how much of it is actually part of her character. As part of Leliana's personal quest you confront her former lover and its up to you whether or not Leliana kills them.
I do think they should have avoided talking about the whole tainted womb thing in Alistair's romance. Fertility seems irrelevant given that an elven, mage or dwarven queen would never be accepted and that Alistair can still marry a Cousland warden.
I also really hate the "and it only happened to straight females" because well... tons of gay men totally wanted to romance Alistair but couldn't. You can be unhappy with aspects of the Alistair romance, but you definitely can't claim that you didn't get the better deal than gay men.
And frankly, I just don't know what people expected. Kings have duties, and in Thedas a human King can't marry an elf, or a mage, or a dwarf.
The "only happened to straight females" referred to the plot hoops we had to jump through to keep Alistair as a romance. Which only happened to straight females in DAO. Only thing you have to do with Zevran is get his approval to a certain level. It's not some attempt to say gay men didn't get a worse deal with their one choice.
True but acting like it was a complete great option is where I go "meh". Was it better than what other people got? Some yeah. But it sucked in certain ways too (as straight female romances sometimes (often is unfair) suck cause we get the "special" **** thrown in).
I hate the last part of his romance so much I switched to romancing Leliana out of distaste.
But nothing says true love than being reminded that you absolutely can not have children with him (even if you want them) and having to pimp him out to a woman he hates and can have kids with because magic 
Picture that senior in reverse I don't think it would have gone over well at all if Alistair's and Morrigan's places were switched.
Please no romances where I have to pimp out boyfriends or friends that would be very nice. (though I doubt it'll be repeated.)
Hmmm well still bummed but at least I wont have the game held in front of my face a few weeks after getting it if it comes out in November. And at least it isn't being pushed back another year and a half or something so still bummed but I can put on my grown up panties and deal while they polish the game.
Yeah, but just about every relationship in DA:O is problematic. Morrigan spends the entire game lying to you about her reasons for being in the party and then leaves you post game no matter what. Zevran is a an assassin that tried to kill you and killed his last lover: he also ends up killing another friend/lover specifically for you; not only that, but Zevran is the only LI who you can kill before he even gets a chance to speak. Leliana is a spy who definitely isn't entirely who she claims to be: it's pretty unclear how much of her innocence is an act and how much of it is actually part of her character. As part of Leliana's personal quest you confront her former lover and its up to you whether or not Leliana kills them.
I do think they should have avoided talking about the whole tainted womb thing in Alistair's romance. Fertility seems irrelevant given that an elven, mage or dwarven queen would never be accepted and that Alistair can still marry a Cousland warden.
I'm not saying they're not problematic. They don't have the amount of plot hoops to jump through however. That's all. And you can romance Leliana regardless of how you solve her personal quest or harden her. The only thing hardening her up opens up is the ability to poison the ashes and keep her.
All the quote is saying is that Alistair's romance had the most requirements for a happy ending. That's all. If it was just the king thing I wouldn't have had an issue. The king thing being followed up by the DR really was where my tolerance snapped. Cause we gotta keep hammering in that blighted uterus you have!
They really should've. Especially when it's ignored for a male HN.
But nothing says true love than being reminded that you absolutely can not have children with him (even if you want them) and having to pimp him out to a woman he hates and can have kids with because magic
Please no romances where I have to pimp out boyfriends or friends that would be very nice. (though I doubt it'll be repeated.)
YEP. If they had just had to screw I'd been whatever. I woulnd't have been happy about it but I'd dealt with it. But the "ooh OGB" is just. Ugh.
Particularly not to people they hate.
But nothing says true love than being reminded that you absolutely can not have children with him (even if you want them) and having to pimp him out to a woman he hates and can have kids with because magic
Please no romances where I have to pimp out boyfriends or friends that would be very nice. (though I doubt it'll be repeated.)
I'd consider the complaint to be just as strange were it coming from the other side. It's one encounter and the chance of emotional infidelity is utterly nil. And it's not like you can have children with anyone else except Morrigan; Leliana and Zevran aren't even considered.
I'd consider the complaint to be just as strange were it coming from the other side. It's one encounter and the chance of emotional infidelity is utterly nil. And it's not like you can have children with anyone else except Morrigan; Leliana and Zevran aren't even considered.
It's never outright suggested as an impossibility however. (As for Zevran a HN female who married Alistair and didn't romance him but romanced Zevran can suggest she can try for a child that's not his. I'd assume she'd be using Zevran in this scenario for trust and secrecy reasons). So it's not completely shut down like Alistair's is with the whole "wardens can't have kids together." thing.
Leliana true but it's her body. You can't exactly force a child on her even if the PC wants one.
They want more time to polish the game and fix bugs, to give the best game possible. ( maybe multiplayer feature included too ? )
A great diversion tactic would be to announce the remaining 2 LI now ... (*hint*)
A great diversion tactic would be to announce the remaining 2 LI now ... (*hint*)
I think the boards would spiral into chaos. 
The "only happened to straight females" referred to the plot hoops we had to jump through to keep Alistair as a romance. Which only happened to straight females in DAO. Only thing you have to do with Zevran is get his approval to a certain level. It's not some attempt to say gay men didn't get a worse deal with their one choice.
To be fair, Zevran showed a preference for women (like all DA bi men), and honestly, making the two "gay options" bi had everything to do with catering to straight people. I love bisexual representation, but straight women were definitely better off in Origins.
EDIT: My bad, read your comment wrong. Ignore me.
A great diversion tactic would be to announce the remaining 2 LI now ... (*hint*)
Or at least some more pictures.
To be fair, Zevran showed a preference for women (like all DA bi men), and honestly, making the two "gay options" bi had everything to do with catering to straight people. I love bisexual representation, but straight women were definitely better off in Origins.
True Zevran did show a female preference though not sure why gay options is in quotes. Does Sky, Leliana, Liara, Kaidan, Kelly and Samara not count as s/s romances cause they were for both genders?
But yeah we were better off I wasn't denying that. Merely saying the straight female romance had the most hoops to jump through to keep it going...which it did. I'm not sure why saying that somehow means I'm saying females got it the worst. I'm saying one straight female LI was tied down in BS and plot hoops galore and that's why I find the whole "you got alistair" arguement to be meh.
Now if he said I'd have GARRUS I'd ;P but Alistair? Meh.
Or at least some more pictures.
Would greatly brighten the day.
I think the boards would spiral into chaos.
We would welcome this kind of chaos.
I'd consider the complaint to be just as strange were it coming from the other side. It's one encounter and the chance of emotional infidelity is utterly nil. And it's not like you can have children with anyone else except Morrigan; Leliana and Zevran aren't even considered.
It's been a while since I played DAO so maybe I'm forgetting lines but I don't recall Leliana or Zevran out right stating that you could never have children with them unlike with Alistair. I also don't think it was all that great for a Morrigan romance to produce a kid automatically whether you want one or not (unless you don't sleep with her then it wouldn't obviously) My problem isn't really the kid thing its the amount of hopes you'd have to go through to keep you both alive since an Alistair romance is the only one that requires you to pimp out your boyfriend (I don't like pimping him out as a friend either) It's just the amount of hopes they give you for that, that make it just bleh for me I haven't romanced him more than twice because of it. And I'm not arguing that this romance was better or worse than the others I just didn't like how the drama bombs were handled and felt like that they were there because 'drama'.
Also about the kid thing I don't think that if having kids is going to be an option it should ever be an automatic or a no go there should be some player choice to it even if its just a conversation where your talking about home life or what your going to do after the epic quest and your answer of a yes or no marks a little flag for a baby or not or to leave it ambiguous all together.
True Zevran did show a female preference though not sure why gay options is in quotes. Does Sky, Leliana, Liara, Kaidan, Kelly and Samara not count as romances cause they were for both genders?
But yeah we were better off I won't deny that.
It was in quotes because a lot of people a) label bi people as gay if they every show any instance of same-gender attraction and b) because they were intended to satisfy the LGBQ+ audience without denying content to the straight players who didn't want to acknowledge it.
Anyway, I misunderstood you, so apologies there.
I think the boards would spiral into chaos.
It was in quotes because a lot of people a) label bi people as gay if they every show any instance of same-gender attraction and
because they were intended to satisfy the LGBQ+ audience without denying content to the straight players who didn't want to acknowledge it.
Anyway, I misunderstood you, so apologies there.
Ah fair enough then.
Sorry for humping down you throat too.
I remember distinctly that Alistair says it's not certain we can't have children together when we are married...in fact he says that if we don't it certainly won't be for a lack of trying *snickers like a grade schooler*...we are both very early in our grey wardening, so there is that hope
I remember distinctly that Alistair says it's not certain we can't have children together when we are married...in fact he says that if we don't it certainly won't be for a lack of trying *snickers like a grade schooler*...we are both very early in our grey wardening, so there is that hope
Then I must have mis-remembered it then Alistair and Morrigan are the least done romances in my game so its been a while could have sworn he said kids were a no go though^^;
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