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[Nocte ad Mortem]

I would have definitely romanced Jacob with my male Shep. Alas. I might have given Cortez a go if he hadn't been all tragic and strapped to his console for the whole game. Characters of color have just gotten the short end of the stick in terms of involvement and availability.

This, I totally agree with. Especially about Jacob. I know all the flack he gets, but playing through ME2 and not knowing how his arc ends, I would have absolutely loved a chance at romancing him with an m/m character. Cortez was unappealing because of his limited context in the game and his "dead spouse syndrome" focused plot. If that had been different, my opinion of him would be different. Additionally, I would have romanced Vega with a male character if it was available and didn't involve date rape, as well. 

[LiquidLyrium]

Also I really wish the phrase "Set sexuality" would go diaf already. Bisexual/pansexual is a "set" sexuality. It is no different from a monosexual orientation in it's 'set-ness.' 99% of the time when I see that phrase used here I want to punch something in the face.

 

Agree about Cortez and Kaidan

 

And about Dorian. In fairness, if Cullen were bi, he'd have 25% of the vote instead of 15% right now, I'll bet lol He also has a two game advantage.

 

To be even fairer, I think Sera would top any list if she were bi. Ditto for Cass.

 

They're making her bi right? I just need to believe that is going to happen in this delay *bitter sobbing*

[Ryzaki]

Are you really telling me that Solas is more "conventionally good looking" than Dorian because Dorian is darker? Is that suppossed to be something most people would agree about? Because it would really surprise me if that's the case

 

Yeah uh...what? Solas...isn't conventionally good looking. I wouldn't even say he was close.

[OrayMoor]

It's not racism, but people have been taught to be attracted to certain look, presumably the euro-centric look. It has more to do with the media than anything. When were the last time you see an Asian guy in a masculine heroic lead role that has nothing to do with kung-fu and ends up with the girl?

 

In most anime since like ever. I personaly find asian guys to be more attractive then the generic blond guy 

[javeart]

Yeah uh...what? Solas...isn't conventionally good looking. I wouldn't even say he was close.

 

That's what I would have thought, and so far he is in the top 3

[CuriousArtemis]

In most anime since like ever. I personaly find asian guys to be more attractive then the generic blond guy 

 

I'm equal opportunity horny; I find all men of any race hot

[wright1978]

I expect Josephine to be popular like Leliana or Liara because apparently : She is sweet, nice, adorable. Most people like that.
 
She is romanceable for dudes and female gamers, so the number of people trying her will be big. There will be lesbians as well, but also there will be female straight gamers, because most of them tend to like playing lesbian or bi characters.

Strikes me as bland. Hence why I don't expect her to be particularly popular outside narrow bounds of section of Bsn.

[Parkimus]

That's what I would have thought, and so far he is in the top 3

 

Which, to be fair, may be due to factors other than (or in addition to) his face.

[Ryzaki]

That's what I would have thought, and so far he is in the top 3

 

Hey personality far outstrips looks in this matter. He sounds sane, intelligent, thoughtful and awesome to be around. I wantz *grabby hands*

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I don't know how to weigh in on the Asian guys issue, because I think a lot of the kpop boys are some of the hottest guys I've ever seen, but I also realize they maybe aren't what most people would consider "masculine". I'm not especially drawn to masculine specifically, though, so it's a bit at odds with the query. 

[Urazz]

Strikes me as bland. Hence why I don't expect her to be particularly popular outside narrow bounds of section of Bsn.

Yeah, she strikes me as a bit bland as well as a first impression.  Granted she very well may not be bland at all but she's not going to be my my first or second romance choice.

[Battlebloodmage]

My grandpa died 10 years ago; I think that's a bit harsh on Blackwall Try to say "some people" or "young people" instead of employing blanket statements, just a thought 

lol, I said How many people, I didn't say all people. I'm just saying in general, in term of the dating pools, a lot of older people would want to date someone younger. It's just from my personal experience. Younger folks are often being sought after more.

[Sylvianus]

Strikes me as bland. Hence why I don't expect her to be particularly popular outside narrow bounds of section of Bsn.

 

I was talking about the bsn, actually. For all the players I don't know. 

[CuriousArtemis]

Also I really wish the phrase "Set sexuality" would go diaf already. Bisexual/pansexual is a "set" sexuality. It is no different from a monosexual orientation in it's 'set-ness.' 99% of the time when I see that phrase used here I want to punch something in the face.

 

That is a good point, although you might want to relax a little and keep those violent tendencies in check I use "set sexuality" sometimes but I'll not do so going forward; I'll stick with "all bi." It's just that a couple years ago both terms were being tossed around, both by fans AND devs. "Playersexual" was what we were told at times, and it's what I believed the characters were until DG confirmed otherwise just a couple months ago! Give people time to understand the whole picture. I certainly don't approve of "bi erasure," and while I come at the concept of "playersexuality" from a writer standpoint (since I frequently change my own characters' sexualities when writing), I can see how it's a problematic term.

[RynJ]

Hey personality far outstrips looks in this matter. He sounds sane, intelligent, thoughtful and awesome to be around. I wantz *grabby hands*

 

Yep. I think his personality as revealed thus far probably grabbed him far more votes than his looks.

[Hellion Rex]

I'm equal opportunity horny; I find all men of any race hot

Somebody's thirsty

[David Gaider]

To be honest, though, I would expect Dorian to still do better than Iron Bull or Varric once they get in the "real" game statistics. The BSN is way more into non-humans than the general numbers turn in. Whatever they get here, you can knock off at least a few points and tack on a few more to humans. I would bet on that.

 

To a degree, if you're looking purely at "percentage of total players", romanceable female characters will always be the most popular. Their numbers will skew higher, whether they're gay or straight (as in "were they romanced by a PC of the same gender or not"). Numbers for white, blond, and/or "typical" (I don't know a phrase that adequately encompasses concepts like "girl next door" or "handsome jock") romances will also skew higher. Does that indicate racism, or simply an attraction my the majority of players to characters that reflect themselves? I'm not sure you can cite racism when it comes to sexual attraction, as there's absolutely no metric that dictates what someone "should" be attracted to.

 

Regardless, other than the complication of characters who aren't always recruited (like Fenris or Isabela in DA2), the percentage use of content is pretty predictable when it comes to this stuff, when one is looking at numbers of a certain statistical size (which our telemetry would be, numbering in the millions of players).

 

Fortunately, we don't write romances to be popular. One need only look at our lineup for DAI to see that's true. We are perfectly comfortable with the idea that someone may play the game either not desiring any romance (which is, in fact, the majority of players--another factoid that does not align with hardcore fan norms) or finding nobody that's personally appealing. We're not going to go out of our way to make a character a niche interest, but neither are we collecting data to distill the "perfect mass appeal" archetype... as I think we all know what that would look like without needing telemetry data.

 

And, since some people have asked:

 

* Yes, telemetry does take into account players who do multiple playthroughs. We have data on how many people play through the game more than once, how many start the game multiple times, and the behavior of those who do multiple playthroughs versus those who only play the game once. We know how far those play-once people get in the game before they typically begin dropping out, etc.

 

* The use of that data is limited. We do not know why players chose these things, for instance, and we have to be careful when we use the data as justification for something. Also, the existence of a choice has inherent value regardless of the number of people that chose it... if that wasn't true, we wouldn't provide evil choices in games (as 86% of players consistently make the "good" choice every time one's presented). At best, it provides us reasons to look at ways to better present/write under-utilized options, or do more work on the things we know will be more widely seen.

 

* We're not likely to ever provide the data publicly. Maybe we would--but what would be the point, other than to give the impression amongst a lot of ill-informed people as to what we use that data for or what that data actually represents. For every person who assures us this wouldn't cause any issues, we have historical data that says otherwise (see "you can tell us stuff, and say that it's very subject to change and so forth... we'll understand, and not treat it as an ironclad promise").

[javeart]

Which, to be fair, may be due to factors other than (or in addition to) his face.

 

 

 

Hey personality far outstrips looks in this matter. He sounds sane, intelligent, thoughtful and awesome to be around. I wantz *grabby hands*

 

I totally agree that it's his persnality what most people find atractive, and that was my point, that the popularity of the LIs is a mix of looks and personality (and previious popularity based on being in previous games), so it's not as easy as saying that those LI who are getting the least votes (even if we ignore the fact that the percentual difference is really smal even between the most and the least voted) are the one considered the least attractive, and that non-white people seem to fall inmediately in this category. I honestly don't think that's the case

[Fialka]

Yep. I think his personality as revealed thus far probably grabbed him far more votes than his looks.

Exactly this.  Though I do like Solas' character design, quite a lot, I wouldn't exactly classify him as 'hot,' and I'd definitely say Cullen and Dorian win out in the looks department.  It's his background and personality, as it has been revealed so far, that makes him my first choice as a romance, provided he's available.

[LiquidLyrium]

That is a good point, although you might want to relax a little and keep those violent tendencies in check I use "set sexuality" sometimes but I'll not do so going forward; I'll stick with "all bi." It's just that a couple years ago both terms were being tossed around, both by fans AND devs. "Playersexual" was what we were told at times, and it's what I believed the characters were until DG confirmed otherwise just a couple months ago! Give people time to understand the whole picture. I certainly don't approve of "bi erasure," and while I come at the concept of "playersexuality" from a writer standpoint (since I frequently change my own characters' sexualities when writing), I can see how it's a problematic term.

 

Believe me, I know, but I think part of it was because the devs DID use that term "playersexual" rather than "bisexual" at the time, so instead we've got what is it.. two years (a year and a half?) of creator-endorsed mentality to unlearn. (If they bother to unlearn it.) I'm glad they've finally come out and taken a stance on the issue, but for someone like me, who does identify as bi, it's a little late in coming. When you add in a lot of the unfortunate tropes that are often associated with the bi LIs as well, it just feels a little disheartening to see that sort of language reinforce the idea that bisexuality is some sort of temporary thing on the way to deciding if you're straight or gay.

[zestalyn]

 

I don't know how to weigh in on the Asian guys issue, because I think a lot of the kpop boys are some of the hottest guys I've ever seen, but I also realize they maybe aren't what most people would consider "masculine". I'm not especially drawn to masculine specifically, though, so it's a bit at odds with the query. 

In most anime since like ever. I personaly find asian guys to be more attractive then the generic blond guy  

the "Asian guys issue" is only a problem in places like the USA where there is a stereotype against asian male masculinity. It's not an issue in Japanese animes or the Korean pop music industry because those countries have their own standards that are obviously not problematic for asian men, atleast not in a way that's racist. In American media, asian men are usually represented as dweebs/dorky/doctors/sidekicks/ethnic comic relief, etc. hence why it's an issue. 

 

[Phate Phoenix]

Yep. I think his personality as revealed thus far probably grabbed him far more votes than his looks.

 

Yup-yup! I mean, I was interested in him after his initial reveal, but I didn't become invested until his blurb and interview came out. What can I say? I love me the intellectual nerds. 

[Battlebloodmage]

the "Asian guys issue" is only a problem in places like the USA where there is a stereotype against asian male masculinity. It's not an issue in Japanese animes or the Korean pop music industry because those countries have their own standards that are obviously not problematic for asian men, atleast not in a way that's racist. In American media, asian men are usually represented as dweebs/dorky/doctors/sidekicks/ethnic comic relief, etc. hence why it's an issue.

I want to give you double thumb up for this.

[karushna5]

okay I am in late, what poll??

[Not a Cat Doll]

I genuinely liked Jacob, and feel as though his relationship was done a disservice by how they wrote femShep's initial responses to him. I hated the leering, smirking, objectifying horn dog that my Shepard seemed to become in his presence, and I know a few other players who felt the same way. Very unfortunate, especially in light of some of the deeper conversations you can get into with him later.