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UGH THIS IS AWFUL I DIDN'T KNOOOOW THIIIS WHEN IT BOUGHT IT
REGRET ALL THE REGRET
Yeah I just...I don' tunderstand how devs equalled "I wanna be able to romance Vega." with "I wanna badger him into submission and have clear remorse the next day."
*shrug*
Since we're on the topic of controversial ideas for romance stories, I'll throw one out there, though I don't imagine it will be very popular.
How about a romance where the LI is in a committed relationship and is cheating with the PC? We've been able to be unfaithful to our LI's(DAO) and had LI's be unfaithful to us(Jacob), but this isn't a story they've told yet.
I wouldn't be surprised if there would be this kind of romance in the future. I find this kind of romance very interesting and if it would be done so that the LI doesn't break up with his/her partner then I see it even more interesting. However I don't think that I would like this kind of romance as much as I like other romances where my PC isn't another woman.
When I think about it, I feel like they must have thought "every straight femShep is with Garrus anyways, so let's go crazy". Because, I played the Garrus Romance and it was all kinds of awesome. Then I do not hear bad Things about Kaidan in ME3 and everything else seems to have been ... erm... underwhelming.
Weird, that's the right Word, yeah.
They said that they forgot about Thane, I imagine they did with Jacob as well.
There was also a bit in the leaked files that indicated that they at least considered James as a romance option. I suppose it's possible that they didn't have time to do his romance, and all of the incessant flirting and...whatever that was in the DLC was "consolation."
Yeah I just...I don' tunderstand how devs equalled "I wanna be able to romance Vega." with "I wanna badger him into submission and have clear remorse the next day."
*shrug*
Yeah I would have appreciated a, "FEATURES DATE RAPE AND ERASURE OF CHARACTER CHOICE!" in the description. Coulda known to never ever ever ever buy it ever. OH MY GOD. WHO THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA.
This is way off topic. So off topic. But I am SO PISSED I SPENT MONEY ON THIS WHAT.
SHUTTING UP ABOUT IT NOW SORRY PLEASE CONTINUE WITH DAI ROMANCE DISCUSSIONS.
This might date me, but here goes.
If the President of the United States tells an intern he wants a sexual relationship, is there any aspect of coercion involved?
Some people, quite reasonably, would argue no. No threats are made, retaliations are not suggested, or persons threatened.
Others people, also quite reasonably, would argue yes. The President has immense power to damage and destroy an individual, and the credibility to do it. No explicit threat has to be made to have the potential threat factor into consent.
.... Is... Is there a way to avoid sleeping with Javik, if you have unromanced FemSheps?
Wow I am super uncomfortable with this like whoa.
Why would you avoid it? I guess it's a fair assumption that femshep didn't romance anyone else because she was waiting for him 
I guess they could not even give you the chance to say no, because it would ruin the surprise, which it's the best part of it. And the sad thing it's I'm not joking, I really think that's why they did that way
Since we're on the topic of controversial ideas for romance stories, I'll throw one out there, though I don't imagine it will be very popular.
How about a romance where the LI is in a committed relationship and is cheating with the PC? We've been able to be unfaithful to our LI's(DAO) and had LI's be unfaithful to us(Jacob), but this isn't a story they've told yet.
I think there could be a good romance arc out of that, especially if you could play it straight in terms of leaving it as closer than friends but unresolved sexuall tension, and instigating the breakup by crossing the line.
It would work well if the companion's relationship was already in trouble, in which the player would have the diversity to try and be a counselor, have the tension but respect the boundary, or be a factor in a Dear John breakup (which could happen regardless, and leave the player to influence the companion to just leave it behind or try and go back).
In the later, if the breakup happens regardless, then a good RP opportunity would be for the player to have the option to provide the straw that breaks the camel's bacck and prompt the breakup, followed by the opportunity of how to address it with the LI.
Yeah I would have appreciated a, "FEATURES DATE RAPE AND ERASURE OF CHARACTER CHOICE!" in the description. Coulda known to never ever ever ever buy it ever. OH MY GOD. WHO THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA.
This is way off topic. So off topic. But I am SO PISSED I SPENT MONEY ON THIS WHAT.
SHUTTING UP ABOUT IT NOW SORRY PLEASE CONTINUE WITH DAI ROMANCE DISCUSSIONS.
Thankfully it's completely avoidable but still =/
Though yeah hopefully there's no getting someone drunk enough to sleep with you in Inquisition. Fenris love scene takes place after the he's drunk scene. (Though I guess if you do his QB after the Hadriana quest the way he barges in your house afterwards could have him still drunk I suppose but it's not obvious XD)
I'm at the point where I'd prefer to see a relationship where the love interest wasn't a subordinate and might even be someone of greater social status. A relationship with someone like Anora, for example, who has her own political goals, prestige,
and isn't directly part of the PC's crew or squad.
Actually, if Vivienne is a Romance, I think it could have AT LEAST a Vibe of going into that Direction.
To someone weak and desperate, you may very well be feared to be someone who would do that.
And even if the retaliation isn't immediate or direct, the indirect consequences can also be too much to risk. If he (or she) doesn't warm your bed, then there might not be a bed for them- or, when the keep/base/whatever fills up with more useful people more deserving of their own beds, they may be kindly but firmly shown out the door and out to the chaos, even if 'punishment' wasn't the intent.
Sleeping with someone for security is a very real thing.
I think that all this might be better-suited, if it's to exist at all, with someone who's not a love interest, and will break off any relationships once they can trust you and they no longer fear you.
People being angry that they abused a position of power and authority in a way they did not intend would be precisely the point. Just as the amount of fan rage from the people who felt angry that Anders used them, or that friend-mancing Fenris was supporting a PSTD victim's phobia, or that sleeping with Tali is deliberatly exposing her to the risk of death before a critical mission for poontang, or that sleeping with Jack from the first opportunity might not be considering the feelings of the person you haven't gotten the chance to know yet. These were all morally contestable things, but also very important to their characters. Jack would not be Jack, and her romance arc would not be the way it is, were she not willing to sleep with Sheaprd outside of an emotional relationship. Her willingness to do so, even if Shepard is a scumbag for doing so, is a defining point of her character.
Saying you were somehow 'tricked' into aggressively flirting and bedding them is completely bizaar and misses the point that the player instigates, and is never invited, to any sexual encounter before the trust point. It's an option, in the same way that breaking up is an option.
Of course, if we removed all the romance arcs with aspects for fans to rage or feel guilty about or which added a conundrum that different people would feel differently about, we'd be left with... maybe Alistair?
Because Bioware's never given the option to sleep with anyone unwilling before, and it'd be a complete shock for that to actually happen.
Since we're on the topic of controversial ideas for romance stories, I'll throw one out there, though I don't imagine it will be very popular.
How about a romance where the LI is in a committed relationship and is cheating with the PC? We've been able to be unfaithful to our LI's(DAO) and had LI's be unfaithful to us(Jacob), but this isn't a story they've told yet.
Actually, this would be an interesting idea, albeit one that would be decried by a lot of people and likely wouldn't be worth the trouble.
Why would you avoid it? I guess it's a fair assumption that femshep didn't romance anyone else because she was waiting for him
I guess they could not even give you the chance to say no, because it would ruin the surprise, which it's the best part of it. And the sad thing it's I'm not joking, I really think that's why they did that way
I like to see they make an unromanced Maleshep wakes up next to Zaeed. I feel like they target femShep because it's safer for the surprise romance. They wouldn't want to upset the dudebros.
I'm at the point where I'd prefer to see a relationship where the love interest wasn't a subordinate and might even be someone of greater social status. A relationship with someone like Anora, for example, who has her own political goals, prestige, and isn't directly part of the PC's crew or squad.
If the adviser relationships are well received, I can imagine getting something like this in a future DA game.
I think Bioware has great an untouched potential here as well.
I understand the many other limits, but I think it's a shame that Bioware didn't include NPC romances in DA2. It's not often a RPG restricts itself to a single city, and yet doing so would have made a NPC romance easier with someone who doesn't have to travel with the player to be around.
I think you could have gotten a good NPC as a major-minor character if you brought in, say, a Kirkwall noblewoman who is a friend/supporter of Hawke's assent. For balance, a fellow immigrant who doesn't quite ride Hawke's coattails could be a lower class person of interest and influence, providing the commoner's perspective. Collectively they could have provided context for the Kirkwall social context, as well as possible romances that track Hawke's ascent.
Because Bioware's never given the option to sleep with anyone unwilling before, and it'd be a complete shock for that to actually happen.
I think with James and Javik, that's arguable.
Why would you avoid it? I guess it's a fair assumption that femshep didn't romance anyone else because she was waiting for him
I guess they could not even give you the chance to say no, because it would ruin the surprise, which it's the best part of it. And the sad thing it's I'm not joking, I really think that's why they did that way
[TURNS INTO GODZILLA] [BREATHES ATOMIC ENERGY] [RISES FROM THE OCEAN] [DESTROYS A CITY]
Yeah I just...I don' tunderstand how devs equalled "I wanna be able to romance Vega." with "I wanna badger him into submission and have clear remorse the next day."
*shrug*
Let's not forget he says he'd need to be drunk -- as in he needs to be in a mood altered and less in control state -- in order to get with FemShep, and then asks her/the player to choose whether to encourage him 'rolling with the party/getting intoxicated for obvious purposes' or to cool it. Good lord.
I don't really look for my video games to be didactic
I think with James and Javik, that's arguable.
Well, in the latter case, it'd be the PC who was unwilling. In the former... I've not watched the scene, but admittedly it doesn't seem good. Either way, that's the ME team, not the DA one (and no one who saw the James thing seems to have liked it).
Well, in the latter case, it'd be the PC who was unwilling. In the former... I've not watched the scene, but admittedly it doesn't seem good. Either way, that's the ME team, not the DA one (and no one who saw the James thing seems to have liked it).
If you are curious to watch, here is a youtube video of all the FemShep/James Citadel scenes.
I'm at the point where I'd prefer to see a relationship where the love interest wasn't a subordinate and might even be someone of greater social status. A relationship with someone like Anora, for example, who has her own political goals, prestige, and isn't directly part of the PC's crew or squad.
If the adviser relationships are well received, I can imagine getting something like this in a future DA game.
I really enjoyed the romance with Samantha Traynor in ME3 so I believe it can be done. This time it looks like the advisors might even go outside for a few missions with us.
Yeah I would have appreciated a, "FEATURES DATE RAPE AND ERASURE OF CHARACTER CHOICE!" in the description. Coulda known to never ever ever ever buy it ever. OH MY GOD. WHO THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA.
This is way off topic. So off topic. But I am SO PISSED I SPENT MONEY ON THIS WHAT.
SHUTTING UP ABOUT IT NOW SORRY PLEASE CONTINUE WITH DAI ROMANCE DISCUSSIONS.
Well, in the latter case, it'd be the PC who was unwilling. In the former... I've not watched the scene, but admittedly it doesn't seem good. Either way, that's the ME team, not the DA one (and no one who saw the James thing seems to have liked it).
This is true, the DA team is generally better about these things.
Just saying that it's not unprecedented, and so they should still be concerned about avoiding it.
I think that all this might be better-suited, if it's to exist at all, with someone who's not a love interest, and will break off any relationships once they can trust you and they no longer fear you.
That's nice. It also would have been nice had Jack never offered to sleep with you until after you did the loyalty mission.
It would have changed the character and the nature of the relationship with Shepard regardless of whether you took her up on the quickie or not, but I'm sure it would have been nicer.
Because Bioware's never given the option to sleep with anyone unwilling before, and it'd be a complete shock for that to actually happen.
Good.
I was glad when Bioware challenged people with openly gay relationships, and I'll be even gladder when they challenge people with issues of coercion and the perspective of someone on the other end of the empowered protagonist.
If the player can't see any reason why or how their actions could be perceived poorly, they haven't been considerate enough towards the viewpoints of others. Challenging the conceit that it's great to sleep with someone at the first opportunity you can just because the option is there is a great place to start with.
The LI cheating on their partner with us idea got more positive feedback than I expected.
I think there are a lot of interesting ways they could go with the idea, which is one of it's strengths.
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