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[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'm still wondering why she didn't get an invite to the Citadel party.

 

Or Ken and Gabby, for that matter. They would have been great in the poker scene.

Or Dr. Michel. Or especially Dr. Chakwas since she was with you since the beginning. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Nope, she isn't. She didn't had romance lines nor romance scenes.

It's like Allers.

Yeah, she did. 

 

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

I think you misunderstood, because you took the exact opposite of what I was trying to describe. The LI in this scenario is not unwilling, uncertain, or secretly enjoying it.

They (either male or female) are willing, are certain, but are most certainly not enjoying it. To the player, it's a rescue romance, but to the LI their perspective is that if they don't go along with it, bad things will happen to them.

That's still rape- and the rapee APOLOGIZING for the Inquisitor not considering their emotions or ability to give consent is abhorrent. The "have sex with the distressed Lady as a prize or cure" trope is sexist and rapey as hell.

[New Kid]

I'm a little late to the party, why are we talking about rape in the romance thread???

[daveliam]

Nope, she isn't. She didn't had romance lines nor romance scenes.

It's like Allers.

 

She was a good romance, but she unlocked the paramour achievement, so it's kind of hard to dismiss her as a romance option altogether. 

[In Exile]

Slow build. Start early in the game, giving the PC and the LI plenty of opportunity to fall for each other while at the same time showing the relationship between the LI and their significant other is a flawed and strained one while still showing that their partner has sympathetic qualities.

Let that build for a good portion of the game before the moment of truth and let the player decide whether they'll give into temptation or not.

Could I ask what the allure of this relationship is for other players? I've actually been in this hypothetical PC's boat twice with other people, and the kind of drama that actually results is of the decidedly mundane variety.

[Former_Fiend]

Or Dr. Michel. Or especially Dr. Chakwas since she was with you since the beginning. 

 

Well, Chakwas at least got the invite but couldn't show up due to a medical emergency.

[In Exile]

Same sex content doesn't exist in Bioware games to "challenge" straight people. It's there for representation purposes and because Bioware wanted to offer options for the enjoyment of LGB people. The way you've framed this is like they added this content as a PSA to make a contrary audience feel ways about things. That's not why it's there and I'm not for them adding content that just exists for this purpose.

You're entirely right that LGBT content in games isn't there for straight people. But Dean is right in that it being there does challenge the attitudes that some people have, because of the way that it is implemented.

Consider how many people have asked for "toggle away the gay" options. That bioware refuses to indugle them and has, for DAI, given more profile to LGBT representation is important.

[Former_Fiend]

Could I ask what the allure of this relationship is for other players? I've actually been in this hypothetical PC's boat twice with other people, and the kind of drama that actually results is of the decidedly mundane variety.

 

I wouldn't call the drama I experienced when I was in that boat particularly mundane. You and I seem to have had two very different experiences. 

[WildOrchid]

Yeah, she did. 

 

 

I know, I romanced her.   Her having only this scene and few lines is not satisfying as a romance, so i don't consider her a romance. A full one that is.

 

She was a good romance, but she unlocked the paramour achievement, so it's kind of hard to dismiss her as a romance option altogether. 

 

Achievements tell me nothing, Thane was a full romance and yet didn't get one. That doesn't mean he wasn't a romance.

[CuriousArtemis]

You're entirely right that LGBT content in games isn't there for straight people. But Dean is right in that it being there does challenge the attitudes that some people have, because of the way that it is implemented.

Consider how many people have asked for "toggle away the gay" options. That bioware refuses to indugle them and has, for DAI, given more profile to LGBT representation is important.

 

Well put; I agreed with both of them but wasn't sure how to say it ^^

[Former_Fiend]

I know, I romanced her.   Her having only this scene and few lines is not satisfying as a romance, so i don't consider her a romance. A full one that is.

 

 

Achievements tell me nothing, Thane was a full romance and yet didn't get one. That doesn't mean he wasn't a romance.

 

I believe what Dave meant to say was that she wasn't a good romance, but she was still there. 

 

Point is I would have liked the option to invite her to the party.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I know, I romanced her.   Her having only this scene and few lines is not satisfying as a romance, so i don't consider her a romance. A full one that is.

You not considering her a romance =/= her not being a romance. 

 

Please don't speak in absolutes when it is just your opinion. 

[azarhal]

You're entirely right that LGBT content in games isn't there for straight people. But Dean is right in that it being there does challenge the attitudes that some people have, because of the way that it is implemented.

 

Going by the number of players who do the LGBT content, we could say that it is made for straight people.

[TK514]

If only they would implement a toggle...

We could toggle away the toggles!

[jtav]

Kelly counts. Heck, I count Thane, even without the achievement.

[daveliam]

I know, I romanced her.   Her having only this scene and few lines is not satisfying as a romance, so i don't consider her a romance. A full one that is.

 

Achievements tell me nothing, Thane was a full romance and yet didn't get one. That doesn't mean he wasn't a romance.

 

Achievements tell me who the developers considered "full romances".  Thane unlocked the achievement in ME 2, but not ME 3.  Kelly didn't unlock the achievement in ME 2, but did in ME 3.  To me, they are on a parallel even though he has more content than she does.  Allers, on the other hand, doesn't unlock it at all.  She's not a romance. 

 

It seems to me that it's the only objective way to determine if someone is a "full romance" or not.  Otherwise, why wouldn't the achievement unlock for the other characters?

[Vapaa]

I don't know.

 

Been watching this show, Da Vinci's Demons, which has several sympathetic characters cheating on their significant others who are also sympathetic.

 

I think it's viable in theory.

 

It's physically impossible for my brain to consider a cheating person "sympathetic"

 

It's like an Exclusive OR coded inside my brain: sympathetic XOR cheater

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 
I am sorry, David, but you are the one (one of) to blame for it. You were the one (one of) repeatedly saying "they are not bi" about DA2 characters. Someone even collected your posts about the subject:
 
http://miricagale.tu...ragon-age-2-was

 

 
So, for years you did let us believe in the subjective sexuality of 2 companions in DA2.

So I was right.

[LiquidLyrium]

Haven't we already had the infidelity romance anyway? I mean with Alistair you can have it twice over. You can end up as his mistress (which I can understand because that is historically very common for nobility and royalty to begin with, but it doesn't make it any better for Anora because then that is the second philandering husband she's had in a row) and if you want to survive to have any ending with him at all, he has to sleep with Morrigan--even though he clearly would rather not do. And a lot of fans found the whole thing distasteful. Because even if you want to stay Grey Wardens together, you have to do the Dark Ritual. 

 

Edit: The same could be said for a Cous who takes the throne and keeps Zev or Leliana on the side. Or a male warden not in a romance with Morrigan.

[AresKeith]

Achievements tell me who the developers considered "full romances".  Thane unlocked the achievement in ME 2, but not ME 3.  Kelly didn't unlock the achievement in ME 2, but did in ME 3.  To me, they are on a parallel even though he has more content than she does.  Allers, on the other hand, doesn't unlock it at all.  She's not a romance. 

 

It seems to me that it's the only objective way to determine if someone is a "full romance" or not.  Otherwise, why wouldn't the achievement unlock for the other characters?

 

That made me question the ME team even more tbh

[daveliam]

Going by the number of players who do the LGBT content, we could say that it is made for straight people.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by this.  Do you mean that, because more people do the s/s romances than the projected number of gay players, the content is for straight people also?

 

If only they would implement a toggle...

 

I'm so eternally grateful that they don't.  THANK YOU BIOWARE for not implementing a "gay toggle". 

[WildOrchid]

You not considering her a romance =/= her not being a romance. 

 

Please don't speak in absolutes when it is just your opinion. 

 

It IS my opinion, and I didn't speak in absolute. Should I say "my opinion" in the end of every post?

[Former_Fiend]

It's physically impossible for my brain to consider a cheating person "sympathetic"

 

It's like an Exclusive OR coded inside my brain: sympathetic XOR cheater

 

Which is fair, but not universal. 

 

I've been cheated on several times - and each time it put an end to that particular relationship - but I can still feel sympathy for someone who does cheat.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It IS my opinion, and I didn't speak in absolute. Should I say "my opinion" in the end of every post?

When you are saying someone isn't a real romance, yes.