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[Former_Fiend]

Haven't we already had the infidelity romance anyway? I mean with Alistair you can have it twice over. You can end up as his mistress (which I can understand because that is historically very common for nobility and royalty to begin with, but it doesn't make it any better for Anora because then that is the second philandering husband she's had in a row) and if you want to survive to have any ending with him at all, he has to sleep with Morrigan--even though he clearly would rather not do. And a lot of fans found the whole thing distasteful. Because even if you want to stay Grey Wardens together, you have to do the Dark Ritual. 

 

Alistair didn't start out that way and doesn't necessarily have to end that way(you don't have to make him king, after all). I also think there's a difference between someone in a purely political marriage having an affair with someone they love and someone who's in a relationship that started based on love or at least mutual attraction that's reached a low point falling for someone else.

 

And I don't consider the dark ritual to be an act of infidelity at all. It's an act of self preservation. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So why are we talking about infidelity, one of the worst things you can do to your significant other? 

[In Exile]

I wouldn't call the drama I experienced when I was in that boat particularly mundane. You and I seem to have had two very different experiences.

It was mundane in that it was the kind of day-to-day relationship issues that translate really poorly to games. Hour long emotionally charged conversations, difficulties adjust to a new relationship w/o a rebound, still being hung-up, etc. This are all super resource intensive issues that can't be tied up in like 5 conversations.

I didn't deal with a crazy ex or have to punch someone in the face, which is what I'm starting to think you feel this type of relationship might invovle.

[WildOrchid]

When you are saying someone isn't a real romance, yes. 

 

Yes, she isn't a real romance. She's in the same place as Allers.

 

In my opinion.

 

Happy now? I always use my opinions and i never talk in absolutes, that's your own assumption.

[In Exile]

Which is fair, but not universal.

I've been cheated on several times - and each time it put an end to that particular relationship - but I can still feel sympathy for someone who does cheat.

I can't. I have nothing but distan from people maintain a dishonest facade instead of directly and honestly addressing their relationship problem, which when cheating is in the picture means euthanizing the thing wholesale.

[Vapaa]

I can't. I have nothing but distan from people maintain a dishonest facade instead of directly and honestly addressing their relationship problem, which when cheating is in the picture means euthanizing the thing wholesale.

 

Yeah, cheating is greed mixted with cowardice, ain't got time for that.

[drummerchick]

So why are we talking about infidelity, one of the worst things you can do to your significant other? 

It's either that or rape, apparently.  :/

So... how about gifts?

I know they've said the approval system will be based more on actions and conversations rather than spamming gifts.  But do we think there will still be an option to give someone a gift? I don't mind if there's no approval for it, but I'd like the chance to do something randomly nice for companions. Maybe it gives us a codex entry or something?

[Former_Fiend]

It was mundane in that it was the kind of day-to-day relationship issues that translate really poorly to games. Hour long emotionally charged conversations, difficulties adjust to a new relationship w/o a rebound, still being hung-up, etc. This are all super resource intensive issues that can't be tied up in like 5 conversations.

I didn't deal with a crazy ex or have to punch someone in the face, which is what I'm starting to think you feel this type of relationship might invovle.

 

Well, while that is close to what happened to me, that's not necessarily what I'm going for.

 

The main crux of it would be the moral quandary of whether to respect the sanctity of the relationship on the PC's end and whether to remain loyal on the LI's end vs a genuine feeling of love between them. 

 

A good number of the romances in DA and in ME have dealt with relatively "mundane" personal issues. The only ones that have really had any fantastic pieces of drama behind them have been Alistair, Morrigan, and arguably Anders. Everyone else has been a struggle of basic human emotions.

[Vapaa]

 

The main crux of it would be the moral quandary of whether to respect the sanctity of the relationship on the PC's end and whether to remain loyal on the LI's end vs a genuine feeling of love between them.

 

It's not the problem of wanting something else, the problem is hiding it behind a hypocritical facade and doing things behind the other's back. If there's a problem, people have mounths with tongues in them to TALK about the issue, but once you cheat, you have no excuse.

[CrimsonN7]

Yes, she isn't a real romance. 

 

She gave you scale itch then? No wonder you're upset, I'd be too.

[Former_Fiend]

So why are we talking about infidelity, one of the worst things you can do to your significant other? 

 

I threw out the idea of a romance where the LI is already in a committed relationship and over the course of the game, the PC and LI can fall in love and decide whether or not to give into temptation.

 

The intention was to come up with a controversial idea for a romance and see what the reaction would be. There have been some pretty interesting ideas on it.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It's either that or rape, apparently.  :/

So... how about gifts?

I know they've said the approval system will be based more on actions and conversations rather than spamming gifts.  But do we think there will still be an option to give someone a gift? I don't mind if there's no approval for it, but I'd like the chance to do something randomly nice for companions. Maybe it gives us a codex entry or something?

*has flashbacks to the "Can we rape people in Inquisition?" thread*

 

As for gifts, I hope they still have a couple gifts per person that trigger a special conversation like they did in previous DA games. I love the idea of giving Josephine a painting of the Antiva Sea after she tells us how she misses seeing it for example. 

[In Exile]

Well, while that is close to what happened to me, that's not necessarily what I'm going for.

The main crux of it would be the moral quandary of whether to respect the sanctity of the relationship on the PC's end and whether to remain loyal on the LI's end vs a genuine feeling of love between them.

A good number of the romances in DA and in ME have dealt with relatively "mundane" personal issues. The only ones that have really had any fantastic pieces of drama behind them have been Alistair, Morrigan, and arguably Anders. Everyone else has been a struggle of basic human emotions.

I guess I just don't see the moral quandary. Other peoples' relationshps are not my problem or my obligation. I'm haven't - and never will - hook up with anyone who is still in a relationship, but telling someone how I feel about them and how I view their relationship (e.g. dysfunctional/abusive mess) is not even a moral issue.

To me, cheating is not about the person being cheated on (who is just the victim whether or not it was deserved) but about the character of the person doing the cheating.

[Xilizhra]

It's not the problem of wanting something else, the problem is hiding it behind a hypocritical facade and doing things behind the other's back. If there's a problem, people have mounths with tongues in them to TALK about the issue, but once you cheat, you have no excuse.

Maybe said LI's current other is currently far away and it's either impossible or extremely difficult to talk about these issues? Which would work best if they were present before the other left.

[In Exile]

It's not the problem of wanting something else, the problem is hiding it behind a hypocritical facade and doing things behind the other's back. If there's a problem, people have mounths with tongues in them to TALK about the issue, but once you cheat, you have no excuse.

What about so-called "emotional" cheating vs. physical cheating? That's something I've always seen as harder to classify - what happens as you get emotionally close to another person and detached from your partner? I'm interested in people's perspectives.

To me, that's not different in kind. If your relationship is finished emotionally, then it needs to be euthanized. But I'm not a big fan of 'working on it' - persistent problems fester; they don't get fixed.

[In Exile]

Maybe said LI's current other is currently far away and it's either impossible or extremely difficult to talk about these issues? Which would work best if they were present before the other left.

Then the distance is a good enough reason to kill the relationship, because in that case it's clear that there's no real relationship at all anymore - even talking about it is too much.

[Wulfram]

So... how about gifts?

I know they've said the approval system will be based more on actions and conversations rather than spamming gifts.  But do we think there will still be an option to give someone a gift? I don't mind if there's no approval for it, but I'd like the chance to do something randomly nice for companions. Maybe it gives us a codex entry or something?

 

I wouldn't be surprised if there are conversation gifts like in DA2.

 

I suppose they could have non-approval gifts that don't do anything.  I didn't stop giving Leliana flowers just because she was at 100.  But it doesn't really seem very interesting.

 

It's not the problem of wanting something else, the problem is hiding it behind a hypocritical facade and doing things behind the other's back. If there's a problem, people have mounths with tongues in them to TALK about the issue, but once you cheat, you have no excuse.

 

In most modern situations, I agree.  In a historical or fantasy context, there may be situations where someone might be effectively trapped in an unwanted marriage

[CrimsonN7]

So... how about gifts?

I know they've said the approval system will be based more on actions and conversations rather than spamming gifts.  But do we think there will still be an option to give someone a gift? I don't mind if there's no approval for it, but I'd like the chance to do something randomly nice for companions. Maybe it gives us a codex entry or something?

 

I prefer the way they're gonna go about it this time round, spamming gifts to get in someone's good books was kinda silly. More convo options, much better route I feel. Although if we can do random acts of kindness giving something meaningful to a companion/advisor I would be okay with that, just to unlock more convo options though not for approval sake. 

[In Exile]

I wouldn't be surprised if there are conversation gifts like in DA2.

I suppose they could have non-approval gifts that don't do anything. I didn't stop giving Leliana flowers just because she was at 100. But it doesn't really seem very interesting.


In most modern situations, I agree. In a historical or fantasy context, there may be situations where someone might be effectively trapped in an unwanted marriage

Yeah, but in that sort of historical context adultery could very well be a deadly sin. Now this type of forbidden romance might be very interesting - arranged relationship, trapped partner, threat of death if found out, etc. That only works really though with an NPC romance because our badass companions could probably handle any supposed threat. I suppose unless it's a super lawful companion?

[WildOrchid]

She gave you scale itch then? No wonder you're upset, I'd be too.

 

[WildOrchid]

*has flashbacks to the "Can we rape people in Inquisition?" thread*

 

what

Did someone seriously made a thread about this? o_____________________O

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I threw out the idea of a romance where the LI is already in a committed relationship and over the course of the game, the PC and LI can fall in love and decide whether or not to give into temptation.

 

The intention was to come up with a controversial idea for a romance and see what the reaction would be. There have been some pretty interesting ideas on it.

Terrible idea. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

what

Did someone seriously made a thread about this? o_____________________O

Yes, yes they did. There was a few threads, I think by the same poster, which had morbid things like "Can we rape?", "Can we torture?", etc. 

[WildOrchid]

Yes, yes they did. There was a few threads, I think by the same poster, which had morbid things like "Can we rape?", "Can we torture?", etc. 

 

I.... wow.

I'm glad i missed these threads though. I feel sorry for the people who didn't miss them, including you. *hugs*

[Vapaa]

What about so-called "emotional" cheating vs. physical cheating? That's something I've always seen as harder to classify - what happens as you get emotionally close to another person and detached from your partner? I'm interested in people's perspectives.

To me, that's not different in kind. If your relationship is finished emotionally, then it needs to be euthanized. But I'm not a big fan of 'working on it' - persistent problems fester; they don't get fixed.

 

The difference is practical, really, emotional cheating has no evidence, and can be fully denied, where physical cheating is much more obvious.

 

But you're right, they're both death sentences of a relationship.

 

 

In most modern situations, I agree.  In a historical or fantasy context, there may be situations where someone might be effectively trapped in an unwanted marriage

 

Of course I consider cheating in a consensual relationship, a person who was forced to to something has no obligation to maintain it.