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[Nocte ad Mortem]

I see what you mean and I partially agree, I know most people wouldn't find it enjoyable, so putting the option there could be a waste. But, the way I think about it is that they're probably going to throw lots of drama at us anyway, so might as well be something different this time   I'm not asking for it, but I'd not mind  it

Part of me also wants to avoid the explosion it would cause of the forums. I've seen arguments about how you'd be "stealing" Varric from Bianca if he was an LI and for all we know, she's dead. If the person was corporeal as we know it, I can't imagine it would go down well. lol 

[Former_Fiend]

uhm...maybe I'm wrong, but I think maybe the only human culture non Andrastian are the Chasind, since at least have their own religion and don't believe in the Maker. Maybe the Rivaini?

 

Rivaini aren't really andrastian. A good number of them are qunari, and those who aren't mainly hold to their own regional beliefs over the chant. 

 

I also don't believe the avvars are andrastian, either.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It's unfortunate that there isn't a female elven romance option for a male Inquisitor; it wasn't possible in Origins, either. Given the number of companions and advisers, I'm surprised there wasn't more variety with the composition of Inquisition; it's a bit Andrastian human-centric.

Well, if we look at the list: 

 

Cullen: Andrastian

Vivienne: Probably Andrastrian, but possibly not

Solas: He follows his own thing

Varric: Follows his own thing

Cole: Follows his own thing

Cassandra: Andrastrian

Iron Bull: Qun

Dorian: Not Andrastrian(I don't consider Imperial Chantry the same as normal Chantry)

Leliana: Andrastrian

Sera: Probably follows her own thing

Josephine: Probably Andrastrian, but possibly not

Blackwall: No idea since Wardens accept all religions

 

So overall we have:

Confirmed Andrastrian: 3

Probably Andrastrian: 2

Unknown: 2

Probably non-Andrastrian: 3

Confirmed non-Andrastrian: 2

 

So really only about half is Andrastrian. And no, I don't count "Well, they were raised in an Andrastrian nation" as them being Andrastrian.

[LobselVith8]

So really only about half is Andrastrian. And no, I don't count "Well, they were raised in an Andrastrian nation" as them being Andrastrian.

 

If you mean religiously Andrastian, that's one thing, but they are culturally Andrastian.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I was specifically talking about the love interests. And still, we don't know crap about Sera. She doesn't have to believe in anything, much less Andraste.

Oh, okay. I thought we were just talking about party make-up. Nevermind. lol 

 

Out of the remaining possible LIs, I assume Vivienne is probably Andrastrian (although, maybe not strongly) and Blackwall seems likely the same. Cassandra and Cullen are probably the only really strongly Andrastrian ones of the LIs, though. 

[Former_Fiend]

Well, if we look at the list: 

 

Cullen: Andrastian

Vivienne: Probably Andrastrian, but possibly not

Solas: He follows his own thing

Varric: Follows his own thing

Cole: Follows his own thing

Cassandra: Andrastrian

Iron Bull: Qun

Dorian: Not Andrastrian(I don't consider Imperial Chantry the same as normal Chantry)

Leliana: Andrastrian

Sera: Probably follows her own thing

Josephine: Probably Andrastrian, but possibly not

Blackwall: No idea since Wardens accept all religions

 

So overall we have:

Confirmed Andrastrian: 3

Probably Andrastrian: 2

Unknown: 2

Probably non-Andrastrian: 3

Confirmed non-Andrastrian: 2

 

So really only about half is Andrastrian. And no, I don't count "Well, they were raised in an Andrastrian nation" as them being Andrastrian.

 

Varric's andrastian. He's just not particularly devout.

[javeart]

uhm...maybe I'm wrong, but I think maybe the only human culture non Andrastian are the Chasind, since at least have their own religion and don't believe in the Maker. Maybe the Rivaini? 

 

Rivaini aren't really andrastian. A good number of them are qunari, and those who aren't mainly hold to their own regional beliefs over the chant. 

 

I also don't believe the avvars are andrastian, either.

 

They're suppossed to be pantheistic, if I remember right, but the chantry and the qunari has presence there too, so I guess it would depend on the specific character... I'm probably being very influenced by real history, but I tend to imagine it like: upper class is andrastian and trying to proselytize, some areas more exposed to qunari influence and trying to proselytize and most common people living in a mix of traditional (pantheistic) believes with those other two

[LobselVith8]

uhm...maybe I'm wrong, but I think maybe the only human culture non Andrastian are the Chasind, since at least have their own religion and don't believe in the Maker. Maybe the Rivaini? 

 

Rivain has a mix of traditionalists who follow the Natural Order, as well as (mainly nobles) who follow the Andrastian faith, and Qunari converts (although they seem to be different than the standard Qunari, as they still have seers among them).

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If you mean religiously Andrastian, that's one thing, but they are culturally Andrastian.

As I said, I don't consider it that way. That's like saying someone who lives in Italy is culturally Catholic. They are not Catholic, they are Italian.

 

So to use Sera as an example: If she was raised in Orlais, she is not immediately Andrastrian. She is Orlesian. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

It seems people in Seheron (Fog Dancers) also have their own mythos and beliefs, in addition to the Rivaini seers. Most humans are Andrastrian, but there are a few other cultures spread around. The dragon cults might also count. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Varric's andrastian. He's just not particularly devout.

Varric also seems to have reverence for the Stone though, but isn't devout in that either.

[LobselVith8]

I was specifically talking about the love interests. And still, we don't know crap about Sera. She doesn't have to believe in anything, much less Andraste.

 

Considering my comment addressed love interests for a male Inquisitor, I don't see why you would've included Sera in your response to me, as she's lesbian. And I was addressing the strictly human love interests for a male Inquisitor (who is interested in women) as culturally Andrastian, although I'd be surprised to hear that they aren't religiously Andrastian as well.

[Former_Fiend]

As I said, I don't consider it that way. That's like saying someone who lives in Italy is culturally Catholic. They are not Catholic, they are Italian.

 

So to use Sera as an example: If she was raised in Orlais, she is not immediately Andrastrian. She is Orlesian. 

 

That kind of depends on the time period. 

 

If you're talking about a Renaissance or Medieval setting, someone from Italy would technically be considered part of Christendom, whether they were very devoutly christian/catholic or not.  

[Former_Fiend]

Varric also seems to have reverence for the Stone though, but isn't devout in that either.

 

I don't know that Varric has reverence for the Stone so much as he acknowledges and respects that his brother does.

[Wulfram]

Thedas, particularly southern Thedas, is heavily Andrastean, the Inquisition should reflect that.  Why should Andrasteans be less able to be heroes?

 

Though I do wonder how they're going to make Cassandra and Cullen's viewpoints more than redundant, because they seem exceedingly similar. (Religious Andrastean warriors with traumatic incidents in their past involving blood mages, whose certainty has been shaken by recent events)

[javeart]

As I said, I don't consider it that way. That's like saying someone who lives in Italy is culturally Catholic. They are not Catholic, they are Italian.

 

So to use Sera as an example: If she was raised in Orlais, she is not immediately Andrastrian. She is Orlesian. 

 

I'm not italian, but as someone raised in a traditionally catholic country, I have to say that you don't escape Catholicism that easily 

[AresKeith]

Varric also seems to have reverence for the Stone though, but isn't devout in that either.

 

Varric seems like the type who acknowledges both in his life

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That kind of depends on the time period. 

 

If you're talking about a Renaissance or Medieval setting, someone from Italy would technically be considered part of Christendom, whether they were very devoutly christian/catholic or not.  

And that's my point. Each nation has its own culture and not all the same even if the main religion in each nation is the same. To simple lump them all up into one culture is inaccurate and can be considered cultural erasure. 

 

 

I don't know that Varric has reverence for the Stone so much as he acknowledges and respects that his brother does.

Varric seems like the type who acknowledges both in his life

 

To be honest, I always saw Varric as one of those "Well, one of these may be right, so why not do all to ensure my chances?" guys.

[HK-90210]

Varric also seems to have reverence for the Stone though, but isn't devout in that either.

 

The only time I can recall Varric refer to religion in a non-slang way(as in, outside of ""Maker's breath, Hawke. You DO get results, don't you?" is when Bartrand is dead, and he wonders aloud something to the effect of, "I don't know if Dwarves go to the Maker's side, or the Stone. I just hope that wherever he is, he's staying out of trouble."

 

Varric is definitely Andrastian in culture. He was not raised in a dwarven society, and he has absorbed the language and culture of the surface, where he has lived his whole conscious life. Being around Bartrand(a dedicated dwarven man) has given him some inside pictures on Stone worship, but he hasn't absorbed that the same way.

 

As to his religious stance, I think he's a pretty solid agnostic. He really isn't sure. Like a lot of us. He's a pretty open-minded man, however, and not one to judge. But he will use religious subtext and themes in his stories in order to make them seem better.

[Former_Fiend]

And that's my point. Each nation has its own culture and not all the same even if the main religion in each nation is the same. To simple lump them all up into one culture is inaccurate and can be considered cultural erasure. 

 

 

 

To be honest, I always saw Varric as one of those "Well, one of these may be right, so why not do all to ensure my chances?" guys.

 

And my point is that when several nations embrace a church that is fully endowed to enforce religious law that carries equal or greater weight than secular law, that religion is as much a part of the culture, and as much a culture of it's own that it affects and colors the experiences of people who live within it's influence, regardless of whether or not they adhere to that faith, themselves.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

To be honest, I always saw Varric as one of those "Well, one of these may be right, so why not do all to ensure my chances?" guys.

That's how I saw it with him. I think he's basically like, "these both sound ridiculous, but let's not be too hasty..". 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

And my point is that when several nations embrace a church that is fully endowed to enforce religious law that carries equal or greater weight than secular law, that religion is as much a part of the culture, and as much a culture of it's own that it affects and colors the experiences of people who live within it's influence, regardless of whether or not they adhere to that faith, themselves.

I know. Andrastrianism has had an influence on the national cultures, but I wouldn't call them all culturally Andrastrian. 

[Felya87]

It seems people in Seheron (Fog Dancers) also have their own mythos and beliefs, in addition to the Rivaini seers. Most humans are Andrastrian, but there are a few other cultures spread around. The dragon cults might also count. 

 

well, the only dragon cult we see in DAO, was always Adrastian...a twisted, crazy vision of Andrastianism, but always Andraste.related...

by the way, there are quite a few different cultures even with the humans that would be very interesting to explore (at least a little more refreshing from the usual Andrastian. I didn't like Isabela, but I liked her little snip of Rivaini culture we could grasp from her gift conversation.)

[javeart]

And my point is that when several nations embrace a church that is fully endowed to enforce religious law that carries equal or greater weight than secular law, that religion is as much a part of the culture, and as much a culture of it's own that it affects and colors the experiences of people who live within it's influence, regardless of whether or not they adhere to that faith, themselves.

 

I agree with this, In societies where religion has the kind of influence it has in medieval societies, I think a common religion would probably make different countries quite similar in cultural terms (of course, not identical, and there would still be differences, that if we're thinking about real history, btw, would probably be more local/regional than national, actually)

[Nocte ad Mortem]

well, the only dragon cult we see in DAO, was always Adrastian...a twisted, crazy vision of Andrastianism, but always Andraste.related...

by the way, there are quite a few different cultures even with the humans that would be very interesting to explore (at least a little more refreshing from the usual Andrastian. I didn't like Isabela, but I liked her little snip of Rivaini culture we could grasp from her gift conversation.)

Yeah, I'd like to see other places. Even places like Nevarra have their death rites that are unique, even if they're still technically an Andrastrian nation. Nevarra, Tevinter, Rivain and Seheron are all places I'd love to see, along with the lost dwarven city, Kal-Sharok. I really could stand not to see Ferelden again for several games and the Free Marches are basically more of the same, imo.