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#2001
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I think given people's love of certain characters it's understandable that some people would go on at length at how much they wish that [Cool Sexy Character] would be an a viable romance option for [My Preferred Race/Gender/Orientation Combo]. And to be honest I think that's fair. I certainly would have LOVED to see the likes of Tali, Jack, and even Cortez as LIs for my FemShep, for example.
 
But that's a far cry from yelling about being marginalized simply because you don't get to have all the cookies on the romance platter. (i.e. "How Dare they not make Traynor fall in love with my Manly Shepard!") That just goes back to the certain sense of entitlement Allan was talking about.
 
In truth I much prefer the direction Bioware is going now where they make a larger variety of Romance options which won't all be available to the main character. Especially if that means that each romance can have its full due on cinematics and writing. 
 
I honestly can't stand the concept of "playersexual" characters. It certainly felt like it took a lot away from the character when they fall in love with you simply because you're the PC. It was easily the most annoying part of DA2 romances because it made them all seem far less genuine as a result. ( With the possible exception of Isabella because ... well it's Isabella. )
 
By contrast the Romances in ME3 were generally pretty awesome, and they added far more to the characters as a result. As awesome as it would have been to see it differently, the fact that Jack of all people refused to sleep with my FemShep actually made her much more interesting. I absolutely loved Traynor and Cortez in ME3 regardless of whether they were into my current Shepard's gender or not. 
 
I love options and I love variety, but adding options just for the sake of options isn't necessary in the long run. The great characters are a large part of why we play these games, and the better, more interesting the character gets the better the experience for it. It's a lot more interesting when these characters say and do things because of who they are, not because of what the player wants. For example, as much as people were annoying by this, I thought it was awesome that Anders would come onto you so deliberately, and then so offended if you refused him. 
 
And I want to see more of that, more of these awesome characters being their awesome selves, and not simply what the players want them to be. I think the challenge of dealing with someone like this makes romances far more interesting.
 
 
Also, Cassandra is sexy as hell. (I love her voice)

 

 

As a male, and Jack fan, I would've been happy if your Femshep could've romanced her.

 

Works for both us. And more importantly, it works for Jack. She never got the popularity she deserved, in my opinion. That makes me bummed out more than anything. She'd never be as popular as Liara, for sure, but I think part of Liara's popularity is availability. Jack could've been like a chaotic counterpart. One sweet biotic. One psychotic biotic :D



#2002
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Doubt it, expecially in the case he's announced as either gay or straight. It'll be Sera all over again.

 

 

Though, after the game's release and players finding out about the romances, it'd be much worse than the Sera case. So that's why i'm suggesting they should release info about each LI and sexuality every month until October.



#2003
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As a male, and Jack fan, I would've been happy if your Femshep could've romanced her.
 
Works for both us. And more importantly, it works for Jack. She never got the popularity she deserved, in my opinion. That makes me bummed out more than anything. She'd never be as popular as Liara, for sure, but I think part of Liara's popularity is availability. Jack could've been like a chaotic counterpart. One sweet biotic. One psychotic biotic :D

Well, Tali and Miranda were (I think) more popular then Jack, and they were straight as well.
I personally prefer Jack and Miranda over the rest of the female LI (though I liked my canon Shep's friendship with Tali and Liara).

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There's always hope in NPC romances, if you want your character to experience love  :D

 

I don't know anything about them, except Cullen. I'd prefer to play straight, but waiting to see who "Scribbles" even is. As for Cullen, I wouldn't romance him on any character. I'm still interested how he has evolved, but I've never liked him.



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Well, Tali and Miranda were (I think) more popular then Jack, and they were straight as well.
I personally prefer Jack and Miranda over the rest of the female LI (though I liked my canon Shep's friendship with Tali and Liara).

 

Jack had a lot of things going against her really. She wasn't traditionally sexy (like Miranda), not bi, not sweet or nerdy like Tali...

 

So.... yeah. It was an uphill battle for her to ever get many fans.



#2006
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I don't know anything about them, except Cullen. I'd prefer to play straight, but waiting to see who "Scribbles" even is. As for Cullen, I wouldn't romance him on any character. I'm still interested how he has evolved, but I've never liked him.

You don't know anything about Leliana?



#2007
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Though, after the game's release and players finding out about the romances, it'd be much worse than the Sera case. So that's why i'm suggesting they should release info about each LI and sexuality every month until October.


I was referring to the fact that Dorian's announcement might calm things up and cancel a bit of negativity, not if it was better to release romance info after the games. On this topic, I agree with you.
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I don't know anything about them, except Cullen. I'd prefer to play straight, but waiting to see who "Scribbles" even is. As for Cullen, I wouldn't romance him on any character. I'm still interested how he has evolved, but I've never liked him.

That's not quite what I had in mind. I was thinking more alone the lines of casual flings with NPCs. DAO had a few of those. I think those, even if they are very simple compared to full-fledged romances, wouldn't be that far behind Skyrim romances.



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Jack had a lot of things going against her really. She wasn't traditionally sexy (like Miranda), not bi, not sweet or nerdy like Tali...
 
So.... yeah. It was an uphill battle for her to ever get many fans.

Indeed. Though I was never able to romance Tali. She gave me a sisterly vibe, as Merrill did in DA2.

#2010
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Jack had a lot of things going against her really. She wasn't traditionally sexy (like Miranda), not bi, not sweet or nerdy like Tali...

 

So.... yeah. It was an uphill battle for her to ever get many fans.

 

How do you define 'fan'?

 

I consider myself a fan of Jack's character but I never romanced her.  I'm not sure what counts around these parts...I know some put lots of emphasis on the 'romance' aspect and only 'true fans' have romanced the character :P



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I was referring to the fact that Dorian's announcement might calm things up and cancel a bit of negativity, not if it was better to release romance info after the games. On this topic, I agree with you.

 

That's impossible tbh :P With that set sexuality thing, everyone will be a little mad, sadly.



#2012
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How do you define 'fan'?

 

I consider myself a fan of Jack's character but I never romanced her.  I'm not sure what counts around these parts...I know some put lots of emphasis on the 'romance' aspect and only 'true fans' have romanced the character :P

I would say that, in general, I've never seen nearly as much love for Jack on these boards as for Tali or Miranda. And I was in the old forums before the character section got closed.



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How do you define 'fan'?

 

I consider myself a fan of Jack's character but I never romanced her.  I'm not sure what counts around these parts...I know some put lots of emphasis on the 'romance' aspect and only 'true fans' have romanced the character :P

 

I don't consider anyone a fan unless they hated Mass Effect 3 for her abysmal cameos. :D

 

To put it nicely, if you felt her loss, then you're probably a fan.



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That's not quite what I had in mind. I was thinking more alone the lines of casual flings with NPCs. DAO had a few of those. I think those, even if they are very simple compared to full-fledged romances, wouldn't be that far behind Skyrim romances.

 

Casual flings suck.

 

Unless I'm a dwarf :D

 

No really, I don't want to be like Gamlen or something, sitting in the brothel. Unless you mean something else.



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I would say that, in general, I've never seen nearly as much love for Jack on these boards as for Tali or Miranda. And I was in the old forums before the character section got closed.

 

I do agree with that.

 

I don't consider anyone a fan unless they hated Mass Effect 3 for her abysmal cameos. :D

 

I mean, to put it nicely, if you felt her loss, then you're probably a fan.

 

She's one of the ME2 people I'd have picked to be an ME3 squad mate.  I wanted a Liara/Jack team :(

 

Though, all the ME3 cameos sucked.


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#2016
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Casual flings suck.

 

Unless I'm a dwarf :D

 

No really, I don't want to be like Gamlen or something, sitting in the brothel. Unless you mean something else.

I mean this:



#2017
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I'm enjoying the wait. Like Wonka said, the suspense is terrible, I hope it'll last.

Will Varric learn to be at ease around qunari? Will Dorian give the magisters another reason to hate him? Will Cullen find himself under the hypnotic gaze of another mage? Will Iron Bull take life by the horns?

I DON'T KNOW.
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I do agree with that.

 

 

She's one of the ME2 people I'd have picked to be an ME3 squad mate.  I wanted a Liara/Jack team :(

 

Though, all the ME3 cameos sucked.

 

Liara and Jack would've rocked. They were great together in LotSB.

 

Hard to see it happening in ME3 though. Since the skill trees got bigger, they had more overlap with each other's skills.



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I do agree with that.
 

 
She's one of the ME2 people I'd have picked to be an ME3 squad mate.  I wanted a Liara/Jack team :(
 
Though, all the ME3 cameos sucked.

I don't consider anyone a fan unless they hated Mass Effect 3 for her abysmal cameos. :D
 
To put it nicely, if you felt her loss, then you're probably a fan.

Agreed on both.
Thoughwe aren't considering Mordin, right?

#2020
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Jack had a lot of things going against her really. She wasn't traditionally sexy (like Miranda), not bi, not sweet or nerdy like Tali...

 

So.... yeah. It was an uphill battle for her to ever get many fans.

 

Jack also walked around nearly topless for much of the series, so I don't think she was that far behind either. I know a lot of people found her utterly irresistible.

 

But ultimately this is just an example of a different kind of romance, and the fact that they didn't make her Bi just to please the fans was pretty awesome. That said we should probably limit talk of ME romances in this thread since we start skirting Off Topic territory for this Inquisition forum.



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I mean this:

 

 

Those aren't anything like Skyrim romances. There's no sense of persistence about them.

 

edit: I could've misread something above. You did mention comparing casual flings to Skyrim, right?



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I honestly can't stand the concept of "playersexual" characters. It certainly felt like it took a lot away from the character when they fall in love with you simply because you're the PC. It was easily the most annoying part of DA2 romances because it made them all seem far less genuine as a result. ( With the possible exception of Isabella because ... well it's Isabella. )

 

I see this phrasing used a lot.  However, *all* LIs, regardless of sexuality, is essentially "playersexual" as described within the context of the phrasing.  All LIs will fall in love with your PC.  They all have the capacity within their character to love your PC, simply because you are the PC.  The only difference in set sexualities is the LI will fall in love with the PC, simply because you are the PC, oh and you have a certain genderbox flagged.  That's all it is.  

 

If you have 3 bisexual characters, flirting may be more noticeable as that is 3 people directing interest at the PC.  In set sexualities, if you have 3 of varied sexualities, flirting and the interest in a dude or lady PC is less noticeable, but those LIs will *still* be jonesing for the PC if you happen to have the right genderbox flagged.  



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Indeed. Though I was never able to romance Tali. She gave me a sisterly vibe, as Merrill did in DA2.

 

Tali romance was amazing! Tali is my absolute favorite Mass Effect character! Drunk Tali is the funniest  :D

 

Edit: Sorry, got a bit over excited, lol



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Those aren't anything like Skyrim romances. There's no sense of persistence about them.

Maybe it's just that I don't look for persistence. On the contrary, most of my characters end up unfit for marriage and long-term engagements in general. I guess that's something I don't like much about Skyrim's approach. It doesn't really mesh well with mine.



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Maybe it's just that I don't look for persistence. On the contrary, most of my characters end up unfit for marriage and long-term engagements in general. I guess that's something I don't like much about Skyrim's approach. It doesn't really mesh well with mine.

 

Fair enough. I don't necessarily need to marry anyone (or stay married in Skyrim's case). The main difference is the Skyrim romances ended  whenever you wanted. You could fill in the blanks. They're like templates to write your own story, if you will. They weren't anything like "kissing Kaitlyn ".. because that's just a cutscene and ends there for all time. There's not much room for story there. You're being Told a story, and then it ends almost immediately.