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[Animositisomina]

No, your argument is stupid. You're looking at the results and then say what they should've/could've/would've done.

 

Had they have gone together, everybody would've lowered their weapons when running into Saren (you know, fellow Spectre of NIhlus) and everybody would be dead.

Can I borrow your ability to see into the future? Because that's the only way to know how it would've went, and let's not forget it would've been 4 vs 1. Nihlus, Kaidan, Ashley, Shepard vs. Saren.

 

Another sign you've run out of valid points: resorting to name-calling.

[Animositisomina]

I think it depends on what you mean by observe. Nihlus was maintaining radio contact with Shepard and seemed aware of his general placement (those suits also seem to have recording equipment in them, maybe he would view them afterwards? Or a debrief?), so I think just because he wasn't physically watching Shepard's glistening body mow through things doesn't mean he wasn't observing.

 

Also, if Nihlus was with Shepard I think it's just as likely they all would have been killed.

True, this actually seems like a valid point. He was in radio contact the whole time, and I suppose visual observation isn't really necessary, especially given the severity of the circumstances.

[themikefest]

I think it depends on what you mean by observe. Nihlus was maintaining radio contact with Shepard and seemed aware of his general placement (those suits also seem to have recording equipment in them, maybe he would view them afterwards? Or a debrief?), so I think just because he wasn't physically watching Shepard's glistening body mow through things doesn't mean he wasn't observing.

 

Also, if Nihlus was with Shepard I think it's just as likely they all would have been killed.

The bolded part

 

Too bad Shepard didn't play/show the recording, if recorded, of the conversation with Sovereign to the Council

[von uber]

They probably do. And if they don't, it's not the first time that humans came up with idea's for strategy and technology that no other race thought of.

Like carriers, or attacking supply lines while bypassing strongholds and fortifications.

Ah yes, humans are special, I forgot.

[Farangbaa]

Can I borrow your ability to see into the future? Because that's the only way to know how it would've went, 4 vs 1. (Nihlus, Kaidan, Ashley, Shepard vs. Saren). Another sign you've run out of valid points: resorting to name-calling.

 

How is this any different from your woulda-coulda-shoulda argument of earlier?

 

All that didn't happen either.

[Animositisomina]

How is this any different from your woulda-coulda-shoulda argument of earlier?

 

All that didn't happen either.

So it's not okay for me to make a what-if scenario, but it is okay for you to make a what-if scenario in which they're all killed by Saren?

 

M'kay then.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

Ah yes, humans are special, I forgot.

 

Well, we are. If you want to see us like that. Many people who are critical of that view hold it for other species.

 

That said, why can't humans make innovations?

[Elhanan]

Anything that pointed to humanity as an intelligent race; comment sections on the Net seem to indicate otherwise....
 

[Farangbaa]

So it's not okay for me to make a what-if scenario, but it is okay for you to make a what-if scenario in which they're all killed by Saren?

 

M'kay then.

 

I was just pointing out that you that your scenario could've gone vastly different.

 

I should've been more clear but I don't really have a lot of time for typing at the moment

[Animositisomina]

I was just pointing out that you that your scenario could've gone vastly different.

Pointing out how it "could've gone vastly differently"... isn't that the same thing I was doing? I'm not sure why you're taking such offense to this to begin with. The situation seemed a little silly to me, and that's fine. It didn't seem so absurd to you, and that's fine too. Why make such a big deal of it?

[von uber]

Well, we are. If you want to see us like that. Many people who are critical of that view hold it for other species.

That said, why can't humans make innovations?

They can, no problem with that. Just not ones that would've been blindingly obvious to highly advanced species who have been around the block a few times.
Wasn't medigel a human invention?

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

They can, no problem with that. Just not ones that would've been blindingly obvious to highly advanced species who have been around the block a few times.
Wasn't medigel a human invention?

 

I believe it was, or at least a very specific version of it. That said, I don't think it's necessarily something that is 'blindingly obvious'. Not every society comes to the same kinds of technological innovations or ideas, especially when they aren't a technical necessity.

[KaiserShep]

I don't mind the humans are special thing myself. Humanity rules; everyone else drools.

[Arcian]

"When fire hurrs, does it durr?"

[Kel Riever]

It herps and derps

[dreamgazer]

"When fire hurrs, does it durr?"

 

Until it's completed its objective like other neutral forces of nature, it sure durr.

[Teddie Sage]

"When fire hurrs, does it durr?"

This post broke me. I'm not alright. *calls in for therapy*

[HeadlessLoverbot]

Not so much a line, but the handling of Primarch Victus' son who crashed on Tuchanka. Everyone is angry at him for making a 'bad call' but I believe he made the right one. If he had ordered his men to fly straight into Reapers they'd all be dead. He chose what he thought at the time was a safe route, but the Reapers found out and attacked. I can understand Lil' Victus feeling guilty, and I can understand his men being upset that so many of them are dead, but I can't understand why everyone is so angry at him for making the arguably correct call. At the very least some of his men survived and the mission was completed; that would not have happened if he had gone head first into the Reapers.

Related to this, when James wants to talk with Shepard in his/her cabin about joining N7, you can ask him about his past command. He says that he got all but one of his squad killed and half of the colonists. The paragon line says something like "You can't blame yourself for a bad situation." 

[AlanC9]

Can I borrow your ability to see into the future? Because that's the only way to know how it would've went, and let's not forget it would've been 4 vs 1. Nihlus, Kaidan, Ashley, Shepard vs. Saren.
 

Actually, there wouldn't have been a fight at all. If Saren doesn't like his odds, he just pretends to be a good Spectre.

[AlanC9]

 
Too bad Shepard didn't play/show the recording, if recorded, of the conversation with Sovereign to the Council

You just had to remind us of that, didn't you.

[Jukaga]

You just had to remind us of that, didn't you.

I would have been happy with a handwave 'Sovereign is interfering with the recording signal' or something rather than ignoring it. Same with Vigil.

[Iakus]

I don't mind the humans are special thing myself. Humanity rules; everyone else drools.

As long as there's a reason for humans to be special.  Not just "because human"

[Lyrandori]

I STILL remember that line (well to some degree, not word-for-word accuracy) from Shepard in ME3 to this day (even though I only completed ME3 one time, pre-Extended Cut, like three weeks or so after the game was released). It happens just after the fight between Kai Leng and Thane. It's shortly after Thena gets IMPALED by Kai Leng, and as Thane crumbles against a wall you get that oh-so-obvious Shepard showing up next to him (in a hurry, now that the scene is over, of course) and actually asking Thane if he's alright. I mean ... !!!!!!!!!!

 

It goes something like: "[insert just a bit of distress in the voice] Thane! [remove all emotions in the voice] Are you ok?". Not to mention that the actual voice tone is completely off, very monotone and without emotion. It's like Mark or Jennifer were just told to come up with a line without telling them the context.

 

I mean really, Shepard, REALLY? Errrrrrr... ok what about not standing there in the first place during the fight and hel- ... never mind, scripted scene. Well let me answer that one in Thane's name, Shepard. What about a big NO? He just got impaled, he was already a dying man to start with, and you're now asking him how's it going? I'm preeeeeeeeetty sure that getting impaled doesn't exactly mean that you're "ok" nor that you'd be ready to run a marathon because it'd obviously just be a flesh wound.

[Excella Gionne]

[Barquiel]

As long as there's a reason for humans to be special.  Not just "because human"

I think it was tolerable in ME1 (sure...the alliance fleet defeated Sovereign, but it was just in the right place at the right time), but it went into overdrive in ME2 and ME3 (human genetic variability or the fixation on Earth in ME3).

And Humanity's 30-year rise to power seems way too fast, the absolute worst world-breaking flaw of the Mass Effect universe conception in my opinion.