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[ImaginaryMatter]

It's not irony. Cerberus doesn't blatantly land on worlds and start shooting up people for no reason than to cause terror. They usually have sort of material goal that they wish to accomplish first.

 

True. But nobody outside of Cerberus would know that and from the player's viewpoint it's often not explained.

 

This goes into an overall problem that I have with Cerberus where what we're told about the organization from the likes of TIM and Miranda (which I don't necessarily have a problem with) conflicts with what how they actually come across in the game. I sometimes feel like the writers are treating me with open contempt.

[ZipZap2000]

I think the mission on benning was definitely part of a much bigger picture that got dumped. If you need to rationalise it and wonder what the motives were EDI tells you that Cerberus uses reaper tech on captured civilians to quickly produce functional shock troopers.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

I think the mission on benning was definitely part of a much bigger picture that got dumped. If you need to rationalise it and wonder what the motives were EDI tells you that Cerberus uses reaper tech on captured civilians to quickly produce functional shock troopers.

 

I figured that was what they were doing. But yeah, they didn't clean up that mission very good. It's like the Trooper at the end of Sur'Kesh that's dying. There's a moment that implies that Cerberus has some kind of plan going on in the background. If I recall correctly, they did have a major shift in the writing something in the months before the game was released. That's not a lot of time to completely rewrite, re-voice (they said they had people doing VA sessions as late as December 2011), and re-program, so its inevitable a lot of the stuff was just left in.

[ZipZap2000]

I've always wondered about that Cerberus trooper it's like legion wearing Sheps armour and feeling shame, you get the feeling there's a bigger picture that's going to be explained later but it never happens.  

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

I've always wondered about that Cerberus trooper it's like legion wearing Sheps armour and feeling shame, you get the feeling there's a bigger picture that's going to be explained later but it never happens.  

 

Well that incident with the armor is much more explainable:

 

Chris L'etoile, the writer for Legion's character in ME2 (and one of the better writers before he was reassigned by EA) didn't actually want that in there at all as it went against the entire premise of the Geth that he had written in ME1 and ME2. It was apparently put in at the insistence of either Drew K. or Mac to establish a layer of organic irrationality to Legion. IMO, it was rather lame. 

 

Not to mention that when L'etoile left, the Geth were essentially hijacked to make them into what Mac wanted them to be. 

 

If not for meddling, we would never have gotten the the 'No data available' schpeel. Legion should have just said "It was the most efficient material to cover the hole" and left it at that. 

[Farangbaa]

All of the above is proof of IT.

[themikefest]

I remember reading his blog that he mentioned that someone with a bigger paycheck wanted to have Legion with N7 armor because it looked cool.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

I remember reading his blog that he mentioned that someone with a bigger paycheck wanted to have Legion with N7 armor because it looked cool.

 

Ditto, and said person also wanted it to have an element of... organicyness...

 

Brilliant vocabulary on my part but I couldn't think of a better word.

[ZipZap2000]

So again we have an example of bad writing creating confusion in the ME trilogy. Almost 3 years later and it still seems never ending.

 

Thanks for that it's bugged me for years.

[Farangbaa]

So again we have an example of bad writing creating confusion in the ME trilogy. Almost 3 years later and it still seems never ending.
 
Thanks for that it's bugged me for years.

Most games don't get scrutinized nearly as much as ME.

It's been how long since ME3? We're still having an active 'the little things you've just discovered' thread. Of course we're going to find more sh*t. Just like movies you watch for the first time seem flawless, but upon every other viewing you keep finding more and more stuff that just isn't right.

[Farangbaa]

Oh and for a supposedly very famous character in the MEU, Shepard gets recognized remarkably little in ME2.

[ZipZap2000]

Typically the advertisements don't miss a thing though.

 

"Shepard it's been two years since you had a job. Isn't it time you rectified that?"

[KrrKs]

Oh and for a supposedly very famous character in the MEU, Shepard gets recognized remarkably little in ME2.

E.g., at Hock party, one of the guests:

"Have you heard? They say Shepard is back!"

*Turn around

 

 

Typically the advertisements don't miss a thing though.

 

"Shepard it's been two years since you had a job. Isn't it time you rectified that?"

The best is still:

"Shepard, you have been dead recently. [...] We help you being a nice corpse!"

Or something along those lines.

[Daemul]

Oh and for a supposedly very famous character in the MEU, Shepard gets recognized remarkably little in ME2.

 

That always made sense to me, Shepard is a military hero, not a pop star or famous actor. Regardless of what he does, he will never be as recognisable to the masses as a Beyonce or Brad Pitt, especially in a galaxy supposedly made up of trillions of individuals who don't all follow the latest news closely. Blasto is probably much, much more recognised than Shepard. 

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

That always made sense to me, Shepard is a military hero, not a pop star or famous actor. Regardless of what he does, he will never be as recognisable to the masses as a Beyonce or Brad Pitt, especially in a galaxy supposedly made up of trillions of individuals who don't all follow the latest news closely. Blasto is probably much, much more recognised than Shepard. 

 

Indeed. Granted, post-war, that's very likely to change.

 

Shepard's fame isn't the pop-star/rock-star/entertainment celebrity. He's more of the icon of humanity and legendary figure. He's the type of guy who's going to have statues built in his honor. He's like a person who's become a national treasure.

 

Like Sir Edmund Hillary or Neil Armstrong or Mahatma Gandhi or Nelson Mandela. They weren't 'in-the-news' famous, but they were hailed as living legends of their time, the pride of their respective countries, national heroes that everyone knew. And Shepard's legacy will be like that of someone like Einstein or Lincoln or JFK (albeit on a much, much, much higher level). Hell, I daresay that post-war, Shepard's status among humanity at least will be on par with Christ or other significant religious figures (sans the religious nature since my Shepard is an atheist). He will basically become a messianic figure.

[Fixers0]

That always made sense to me, Shepard is a military hero, not a pop star or famous actor. Regardless of what he does, he will never be as recognisable to the masses as a Beyonce or Brad Pitt, especially in a galaxy supposedly made up of trillions of individuals who don't all follow the latest news closely. Blasto is probably much, much more recognised than Shepard. 

 

Given the size of the galaxy, the Mass Effect universe is awfully standardized and small-scaled. 

 

 

 

With regards to Shepard being some kind messiah, this is primarily the result of the bizarre rationale used in Mass Effect 2 in order to justify Cerberus' reconstruction of Shepard. In the opening stages of the game characters repeatedly spout as to how Shepard's such a powerful icon and great leader, yet, the events of the game hardly do this explanation justice. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Here's a winner --- an 90% renegade 60% paragon (bars filled) in ME2 after Legion's loyalty mission, blowing up the Heretics, having done everything with the "a bullet in the head solves everything" then gets ONLY the paragon choice to settle the dispute between Tali and Legion. WTF? did the game glitch?

[Farangbaa]

That always made sense to me, Shepard is a military hero, not a pop star or famous actor. Regardless of what he does, he will never be as recognisable to the masses as a Beyonce or Brad Pitt, especially in a galaxy supposedly made up of trillions of individuals who don't all follow the latest news closely. Blasto is probably much, much more recognised than Shepard. 

 

ME1 tells a completely different story. Everybody on the Citadel knows who you are.

 

Besides, you've been the poster boy for the alliance for a while after ME1. Combine that with the fact Shepard's the one who beat 'the Geth' on the Citadel, and his fame should only have risen.

[von uber]

Here's a winner --- an 90% renegade 60% paragon (bars filled) in ME2 after Legion's loyalty mission, blowing up the Heretics, having done everything with the "a bullet in the head solves everything" then gets ONLY the paragon choice to settle the dispute between Tali and Legion. WTF? did the game glitch?

You should have just thrown the machine out of the airlock.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

Javik is already on it!

 

 

 

After what ME3 did to both of them, yeah, they deserved it.

[Jorji Costava]

Here's a winner --- an 90% renegade 60% paragon (bars filled) in ME2 after Legion's loyalty mission, blowing up the Heretics, having done everything with the "a bullet in the head solves everything" then gets ONLY the paragon choice to settle the dispute between Tali and Legion. WTF? did the game glitch?

 

If I remember correctly, the loyalty check between Tali and Legion is designed to be much easier for paragons, while the loyalty check between Miranda and Jack is designed to be much easier for renegades (Most of my playthroughs have leaned paragon, so I always had a tough time making the Miranda/Jack check). I guess you could say this turned out to be another case of paragon bias, since with Miranda and Jack being reduced to bit players in ME3, the Tali/Legion check is exponentially more important for ME3, but I doubt this was foreseen at the time ME2 was made.

[themikefest]

Javik is already on it!

Having the robot was a waste of a squadmate. Too bad I couldn't have the choice to tell the thing to get back to hologram form or be thrown out the airlock

[Farangbaa]

 

Hmm?

[SporkFu]

Maybe their goal was to distract shep from Tuchanka, so he wouldn't stop the doomsday bomb they stole from the turians...