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[SporkFu]

I don't care for this idea that Jacob is a stereotype. I got no such impression from him in either game.

These are just my thoughts... I don't like Jacob, but not because I think he's a stereotype, but that his character was just... Dull. Like, no impression. I wasn't interested in anything he had to say. And then in ME3 he got worse, heh.

I like the idea of his character, but in execution it just didn't work, not for me. The only time I liked him was during his citadel DLC meet up. I thought it was kinda cool, taking a bunch of refugee kids to the arcade, and the back-and-forth he had with shep was all right.

[Dale]

And then in ME3 he [Jacob] got worse, heh.
 

Yep!   In ME3, I was expecting Jacob to "hit 'em with the good stuff".   In ME2, with his blue biotic god shield he kept saying "nothing can hurt me!".    In ME3 he was a marshmallow.   Absurdly, maybe he needed a new battery?  

[Zana]

Catalyst is controlling the Reapers.  Ok, fine (sorry for going back to this).  So why did they need Sovereign to monitor situation in the galaxy and how do keepers even tie into this IF THE DAMN THING THAT CONTROLS THE REAPERS IS SITTING IN THE CITADEL ALL ALONG?

[Dale]

Catalyst is controlling the Reapers.  Ok, fine (sorry for going back to this).  So why did they need Sovereign to monitor situation in the galaxy and how do keepers even tie into this IF THE DAMN THING THAT CONTROLS THE REAPERS IS SITTING IN THE CITADEL ALL ALONG?

Good point there Zana,

 

Vigil said (pretty much) that "the Citadel contained all the info the reapers needed for the invasion".   Seems like Cat could have easily pressed the button.  

....but then, that would be absurd.

[dgcatanisiri]

I swear, that 'The Lieutenant Commander/Major has become quite capable' line of Liara's on Mars drives me up the wall every single damn time. I mean, between the three of them, it's LIARA who's had the biggest change in skills since she joined the crew. On Therum, she was an archeologist with little combat experience, while Ashley and Kaidan were trained Alliance soldiers. How exactly is it them 'becoming' capable? (And it really pisses me off since that line is out-of-character for Liara anyway, that line existing pretty much exclusively for players whose first Mass Effect game is 3...)

[SporkFu]

Just think of "capable" as asari slang for "kinda hot" ... changes the whole tone of the exchange. 

[OPM_Lunacy]

Just think of "capable" as asari slang for "kinda hot" ... changes the whole tone of the exchange. 

 

haha I'm almost jealous that Liara never called my Shepard 'capable'

[themikefest]

I swear, that 'The Lieutenant Commander/Major has become quite capable' line of Liara's on Mars drives me up the wall every single damn time. I mean, between the three of them, it's LIARA who's had the biggest change in skills since she joined the crew. On Therum, she was an archeologist with little combat experience, while Ashley and Kaidan were trained Alliance soldiers. How exactly is it them 'becoming' capable? (And it really pisses me off since that line is out-of-character for Liara anyway, that line existing pretty much exclusively for players whose first Mass Effect game is 3...)

I agree. She may want to look in the mirror and ask herself that question.. She's just a civilian.

 

The other lines is telling Shepard that you're going to need more than guns to defeat them. I made her look stupid when I killed the enemy with my weapon and then a few moments later telling Shepard to get to cover. Really? 

[Daemul]

I swear, that 'The Lieutenant Commander/Major has become quite capable' line of Liara's on Mars drives me up the wall every single damn time. I mean, between the three of them, it's LIARA who's had the biggest change in skills since she joined the crew. On Therum, she was an archeologist with little combat experience, while Ashley and Kaidan were trained Alliance soldiers. How exactly is it them 'becoming' capable? (And it really pisses me off since that line is out-of-character for Liara anyway, that line existing pretty much exclusively for players whose first Mass Effect game is 3...)

 

That line annoys me as well, it makes no sense, the VS are trained soldiers, of course they're capable. You're right that it's there for the benefit of new players, but it still feels really out of place. 

[OPM_Lunacy]

Why can't Legion be hacked by the reapers? He carries upgrades from the 'old machines', but everyone who gets too close to a Reaper gets indoctrinated, but Legion just carries upgrades made by Reapers and he never beliefs that the old machines must be followed, because he is upgraded. There is something of in what I just wrote 

[FOX216BC]

Asari councilor "The council has found no edvidence of any connection between Saren and the Geth"

 

For crying out loud.

The dude has freaking tubes coming out of him, even the  giant hologram during the trial shows cybernetics on Sarens body.

[Farangbaa]

Well, you can't say Mac/Casey didn't do their utmost best to make every person in a leadership position come across as a raging moron.

 

'This evidence is irrefutable!'

 

Say what?

[dgcatanisiri]

Well, you can't say Mac/Casey didn't do their utmost best to make every person in a leadership position come across as a raging moron.

 

'This evidence is irrefutable!'

 

Say what?

 

Oh, this is a golden area. It's not moronic especially (I mean, it IS moronic, but that's not the biggest part). No, this is the Council's racism at work. Remember, the Council is the same organization who consider humanity to be bullies for the fact that humanity's still reacting to the First Contact War, where their introduction to aliens and the Council was to be shot at and invaded by the turians, because they broke laws they didn't know about by an organization they'd never heard of led by aliens they had no idea existed. That whole 'trial' is a show, a sham. They don't believe anything that the humans offer. It's only when a quarian, a non-human, backs up humanity and puts something forward that they believe.

 

Because earlier, they dismissed eye-witness testimony on the grounds that it was 'hardly compelling.' The investigator was Garrus, who is not one of C-Sec's favorite operatives, and he apparently was investigating on his own for all of a day. Saren, the accused, was given access to Nihlus's records, the victim. That trial was criminally incompetent. The Council wanted humanity to sit down and shut up and adhere to the status quo, stop rocking the boat. The last thing they wanted was for the humans to be right about questioning the loyalty of their top agent. But once they have a non-human in their corner, suddenly they listen. Even though Tali's evidence really should be on shakier ground than an eye-witness record, since Anderson and Udina were surprised she'd gotten any data from the geth memory core. But no, THAT evidence is irrefutable. It says to me that they were shielding Saren right up until they got proof that there was more out there and humanity wouldn't let it go and they would HAVE to do something.

 

...Yeah, have I mentioned that I really don't care for the ME1 Council and consider it better for the galaxy as a whole if they die during the battle of the Citadel?

[Farangbaa]

Oh, this is a golden area. It's not moronic especially (I mean, it IS moronic, but that's not the biggest part). No, this is the Council's racism at work. Remember, the Council is the same organization who consider humanity to be bullies for the fact that humanity's still reacting to the First Contact War, where their introduction to aliens and the Council was to be shot at and invaded by the turians, because they broke laws they didn't know about by an organization they'd never heard of led by aliens they had no idea existed. That whole 'trial' is a show, a sham. They don't believe anything that the humans offer. It's only when a quarian, a non-human, backs up humanity and puts something forward that they believe.

This would make sense if the Quarians were in any way seen as a respectable species in ME1, but they aren't. And didn't the council stop the Turians from destroying the humans in the first contact war?

You're coming up with a whole lot of headcanon for something that's fairly understandable: a human comes forward, accuses your top agent of being a traitor with zero evidence and then some idiot starts talking about a vision from some beacon. A logical conclusion to the first council meeting would be: "Commander, Admiral: stop using drugs and don't bother us with this sh*t again"

Giving Saren access to Nihlus files is ridiculous though, I agree, but the outcome of that hearing is not. If the council had acted on the first hearing now that would've been hilarious.

Because earlier, they dismissed eye-witness testimony on the grounds that it was 'hardly compelling.' The investigator was Garrus, who is not one of C-Sec's favorite operatives, and he apparently was investigating on his own for all of a day. Saren, the accused, was given access to Nihlus's records, the victim. That trial was criminally incompetent. The Council wanted humanity to sit down and shut up and adhere to the status quo, stop rocking the boat. The last thing they wanted was for the humans to be right about questioning the loyalty of their top agent. But once they have a non-human in their corner, suddenly they listen. Even though Tali's evidence really should be on shakier ground than an eye-witness record, since Anderson and Udina were surprised she'd gotten any data from the geth memory core. But no, THAT evidence is irrefutable. It says to me that they were shielding Saren right up until they got proof that there was more out there and humanity wouldn't let it go and they would HAVE to do something.

Eyewitness accounts are never reliable. I'm seriously surprised they're still allowed in court in the real world. There's been a tonne of research done and all conclude that eyewitness accounts are shitty to horrible. Ask 10 different people what color shirt someone was wearing and you get 5 different answers (with a good chance all 5 are wrong). It's hilarious.

I don't think it has anything to do with a Quarian bringing forth the evidence. As said, Quarians aren't really popular either, probably even less so than humans. They just want something solid instead of you making baseless claims... and apparantly an audio recording is a solid thing in the MEU that can't be tampered with.

...Yeah, have I mentioned that I really don't care for the ME1 Council and consider it better for the galaxy as a whole if they die during the battle of the Citadel?

They rarely make it to ME2 in my games, but I also rarely purposely kill them.

[Barquiel]

I agree, the council not believing you about Saren makes sense. Shep had no solid evidence at all (a traumatized human dockworker, interrogated by humans...who were under the command of Captain Anderson is our only evidence), and it was Shepards word against the word of their top spectre. Not to mention that Anderson is involved, who is known to have bad history with Saren (what a coincidence!). That was enough for them to bring about a C-Sec investigation...which turned up nothing. It would be really stupid if they had just believed you.

Remember, the Council is the same organization who consider humanity to be bullies for the fact that humanity's still reacting to the First Contact War, where their introduction to aliens and the Council was to be shot at and invaded by the turians, because they broke laws they didn't know about by an organization they'd never heard of led by aliens they had no idea existed.

Right, that's why the council stepped in and agreed to pay reparations to the Alliance...

[Steelcan]

I agree, the council not believing you about Saren makes sense. Shep had no solid evidence at all (a traumatized human dockworker, interrogated by humans...who were under the command of Captain Anderson is our only evidence)

Actually dismissing the dockworker makes no sense, he provides a name, a clear description of what happened, and so on.

 

Its unlikely that he hallucinated a name of a SPECTRE

[Barquiel]

From the novels and ME1 I got the impression that Saren is a galaxy-wide celebrity, just like Shepard. And Anderson knows him, of course.

[Dale]

I swear, that 'The Lieutenant Commander/Major has become quite capable' line of Liara's on Mars drives me up the wall every single damn time. I mean, between the three of them, it's LIARA who's had the biggest change in skills since she joined the crew. On Therum, she was an archeologist with little combat experience, while Ashley and Kaidan were trained Alliance soldiers. How exactly is it them 'becoming' capable? (And it really pisses me off since that line is out-of-character for Liara anyway, that line existing pretty much exclusively for players whose first Mass Effect game is 3...)

 

Just think of "capable" as asari slang for "kinda hot" ... changes the whole tone of the exchange. 

 

I believe the better word is RESOURCEFUL.    

 

Like SporkFu implied, there might be an asari language "tint" to Liara's statement.  

 

When I speak my secondary language, I don't always get the exact words correct.   And yes -- we need those expert soldiers to do their part -- and expert Prothian scientist to do her part.  On that point, I'm glad to see some TIGHT camaraderie among the crew (as opposed to Jack & Miranda).   Liara's statement was a compliment -- and that's a good thing.

[Dale]

This question pertains more to ABSURD behavior than a statement.   Can any of you experts out there hit me?

 

I've played the ME3 about 6 times and can't figure out exactly WHY Cerberus attacked the Citadel.   If they were after the council -- well heck, that's 3 people -- why attack the Presidum and shoot up the place with an invasion & Atlas robots and start fires all over the place?

 

Do you think it was in retaliation for Shep hitting their bases?   Lots of good that would do -- it seems nonsensical.  

 

Seems to me if TIM wanted to take out the council, Udina would simply drive them away in a car (at gunpoint if necessary).   Yes, he could have used Kai & his goons for help (a SMALL group).  

 

I still can't understand why shooting up the whole place had a purpose.   Did I miss it?

[ImaginaryMatter]

This question pertains more to ABSURD behavior than a statement.   Can any of you experts out there hit me?

 

I've played the ME3 about 6 times and can't figure out exactly WHY Cerberus attacked the Citadel.   If they were after the council -- well heck, that's 3 people -- why attack the Presidum and shoot up the place with an invasion & Atlas robots and start fires all over the place?

 

Do you think it was in retaliation for Shep hitting their bases?   Lots of good that would do -- it seems nonsensical.  

 

Seems to me if TIM wanted to take out the council, Udina would simply drive them away in a car (at gunpoint if necessary).   Yes, he could have used Kai & his goons for help (a SMALL group).  

 

I still can't understand why shooting up the whole place had a purpose.   Did I miss it?

 

I think TIM was just screwing around because he's Indoctrinated crazy. If they were trying to kill the Council and install Udina they were going about it in the worst way possible... then again this is Cerberus and TIM who are incompetent when it comes to executing plans.

[DeinonSlayer]

Well, you can't say Mac/Casey didn't do their utmost best to make every person in a leadership position come across as a raging moron.

'This evidence is irrefutable!'

Say what?

I still think the most cringeworthy part of that entire sequence is Anderson trying to present "Shepard's vision" as evidence.

I swear, that 'The Lieutenant Commander/Major has become quite capable' line of Liara's on Mars drives me up the wall every single damn time. I mean, between the three of them, it's LIARA who's had the biggest change in skills since she joined the crew. On Therum, she was an archeologist with little combat experience, while Ashley and Kaidan were trained Alliance soldiers. How exactly is it them 'becoming' capable? (And it really pisses me off since that line is out-of-character for Liara anyway, that line existing pretty much exclusively for players whose first Mass Effect game is 3...)

Not to mention the plan employed on Mars (Pretend to be them!) is the kind of thing a seven-year-old would come up with.

[themikefest]

Switching the Thessia and coup missions would explain why Cerberus was attacking the Citadel

[themikefest]

I still think the most cringeworthy part of that entire sequence is Anderson trying to present "Shepard's vision" as evidence.

Anderson has been indoctrinated since the beginning of ME1. Its the only explanation for all the crazy dialogue he has throughout the trilogy.

[Barquiel]

This question pertains more to ABSURD behavior than a statement.   Can any of you experts out there hit me?

 

I've played the ME3 about 6 times and can't figure out exactly WHY Cerberus attacked the Citadel.   If they were after the council -- well heck, that's 3 people -- why attack the Presidum and shoot up the place with an invasion & Atlas robots and start fires all over the place?

 

Do you think it was in retaliation for Shep hitting their bases?   Lots of good that would do -- it seems nonsensical.  

 

Seems to me if TIM wanted to take out the council, Udina would simply drive them away in a car (at gunpoint if necessary).   Yes, he could have used Kai & his goons for help (a SMALL group).  

 

I still can't understand why shooting up the whole place had a purpose.   Did I miss it?

 

Since TIM is indoctrinated I'd imagine the Reapers altered his thought patterns so he thought capturing the citadel would help his goals. It could be seen as a way for the reapers to control the citadel without a frontal assault. But I never really understood Udina's motivations and what he ultimately hoped to gain (unless we are supposed to believe he was also indoctrinated).

[RiptideX1090]

The Citadel Coup doesn't fit because it's in the wrong part of the game. It was initially meant to be towards the end of the game after TIM finds out about the Catalyst, but they moved it to the middle of the game. Because I guess we were spending too much time fighting Reapers and not Cerberus.

 

No, really. That was the reasoning.