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[themikefest]

Uh...people respond to similar events in different ways. Liara is upset about the other world's getting hit as well, it just really hits home for her when she sees her home getting hit. That is a very natural and realistic reaction (and much more believable than the wooden response of some other characters).

True. I have no problem with her feeling sad about Theesia under attack after the mission. But for her to go and start shouting at Javik for no reason, that's a problem. She needs to yell at her pathetic people for not revealing that artifact earlier.

 

When she says she can't be that callous on the shuttle, I wanted to tell Steve to turn the shuttle around and go back to the Normandy and get another squadmate leaving Liara on the ship.

[Barquiel]

What's even more interesting is that she says that while there is a gunship supporting the squad...

That's probably the reason why she says it. Even the Kodiak would have been helpful, but Liara forgot that "This isn't about strategy or tactics"

[themikefest]

That's probably the reason why she says it. Even the Kodiak would have been helpful, but Liara forgot that "This isn't about strategy or tactics"

How would the Kodiak of been helpful? It would've been shot down just like those gunships.

[Vazgen]

 

It's an asari one, which is why she says it..

I know, the point is there is air support in that mission, more than you have on the majority of missions. If she'd said that during Tuchanka Bomb mission I would've understood.

Kodiak is much less useful for air support, it has no maneuverability of the Mantis gunship and less firepower.

[Barquiel]

 

 

I know, the point is there is air support in that mission, more than you have on the majority of missions. If she'd said that during Tuchanka Bomb mission I would've understood.

Kodiak is much less useful for air support, it has no maneuverability of the Mantis gunship and less firepower.

 

 

It worked well enough on Rannoch. Realistically, Shepard could have called in the shuttle for air support on several missions.

[themikefest]

It worked well enough on Rannoch. Realistically, Shepard could have called in the shuttle for air support on several missions.

It worked because Shepard was on the shuttle whereas she/he wasn't during the Thessia mission and there was no one else on the Kodiak except Steve.

[Mordokai]

Uh...people respond to similar events in different ways. Liara is upset about the other world's getting hit as well, it just really hits home for her when she sees her home getting hit. That is a very natural and realistic reaction (and much more believable than the wooden response of some other characters).

 

Eh, emotions be overrated, ya know?

 

Lets all just forget about our burning homeworlds and follow Shepard to Earth, like the nice little lemmings that we are.

[Vazgen]

 

It worked well enough on Rannoch. Realistically, Shepard could have called in the shuttle for air support on several missions.

On Rannoch it was called in after AA guns were destroyed. It can take a few missile hits, but it requires an exposed soldier firing the machine gun, or fixed-direction front cannons which require turning the whole shuttle to aim. Mantis is much better for air support, Kodiak's only purpose is to get the squad to the destination, it's not built for air support. Hammerhead was supposed to combine both but the research was never finished

[Vazgen]

Eh, emotions be overrated, ya know?

 

Lets all just forget about our burning homeworlds and follow Shepard to Earth, like the nice little lemmings that we are.

They follow Shepard to Earth because the Citadel is there. If it wasn't moved, both Shepard and other races would've headed straight to the Widow Nebula

[Mordokai]

They follow Shepard to Earth because the Citadel is there. If it wasn't moved, both Shepard and other races would've headed straight to the Widow Nebula

 

I meant before that.

[SporkFu]

Eh, emotions be overrated, ya know?

 

Lets all just forget about our burning homeworlds and follow Shepard to Earth, like the nice little lemmings that we are.

shep: Okay Garrus, everyone has finally arrived here at Palaven. Now what? 

Garrus: Uhh...

shep: You do have a plan, right?

Garrus: Err... 

shep: Right?

Garrus: Not as such, no. I didn't actually think anyone would listen to me.

shep *facepalm*

Garrus *hangs head in shame*

Javik: In my cycle, when someone was made an expert advisor, they actually had advice. 

Wrex: Where's the damn claw-hammer?

Grunt: Why don't you just pull the stick out of his ass and beat him with it? Heh-heh-heh. 

[Barquiel]

They follow Shepard to Earth because the Citadel is there. If it wasn't moved, both Shepard and other races would've headed straight to the Widow Nebula

The "take earth back" nonsense started before the reapers moved the citadel, that's the problem.

As for the Kodiak - "The shuttle is very maneuverable and capable of dishing out heavy firepower. However, it quite vulnerable as a single missile from an ML-77 Missile Launcher is capable of blasting through the shuttle's hull and possibly even destroying it. This contrasts heavily with a variant seen in 2186, where the Kodiak is hit with several missiles on Rannoch without suffering any major damage."

I think it could have been useful...but that's all speculation, of course

[themikefest]

shep: Okay Garrus, everyone has finally arrived here at Palaven. Now what? 

Garrus: Uhh...

shep: You do have a plan, right?

Garrus: Err... 

shep: Right?

Garrus: Not as such, no. I didn't actually think anyone would listen to me.

shep *facepalm*

Garrus *hangs head in shame*

Javik: In my cycle, when someone was made an expert advisor, they actually had advice. 

Wrex: Where's the damn claw-hammer?

Grunt: Why don't you just pull the stick out of his ass and beat him with it? Heh-heh-heh. 

2 things.

 

Garrus talked to his father who went and talked to the Primarch which led to Garrus being an advisor otherwise he would be just some Turian

 

And, I wouldn't be surprised if that's the same answer you would get from  all the ME1 characters when asked why they made no effort to find a way to stop the reapers after Shepard died. They thought no one would listen to them.

 

 

The "take earth back" nonsense started before the reapers moved the citadel, that's the problem.

As for the Kodiak - "The shuttle is very maneuverable and capable of dishing out heavy firepower. However, it quite vulnerable as a single missile from an ML-77 Missile Launcher is capable of blasting through the shuttle's hull and possibly even destroying it. This contrasts heavily with a variant seen in 2186, where the Kodiak is hit with several missiles on Rannoch without suffering any major damage."

I think it could have been useful...but that's all speculation, of course

It still would not of made a difference on Thessia. Steve would most likely spend more time avoiding enemy fire instead of firing on the enemy.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The shuttle maneuvers like a fighter or gunship when Shepard is on board because Shepard is space Jesus. When Shepard isn't on board it's "STEEEVVVVVVE!!!!!"

[SporkFu]

2 things.

Garrus talked to his father who went and talked to the Primarch which led to Garrus being an advisor otherwise he would be just some Turian

And, I wouldn't be surprised if that's the same answer you would get from all the ME1 characters when asked why they made no effort to find a way to stop the reapers after Shepard died. They thought no one would listen to them.

I know, I'm just finding humor where I can.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

(I'm paraphrasing.)

Turian councilor: You can start a summit with our leaders. They'll be deciding where our fleets go...
Shepard: What about EARTH?
Councilors: Shepard, the sooner you do this, the sooner everyone is saved.
*Shepard groans like a child*

[DeinonSlayer]

(I'm paraphrasing.)
Turian councilor: You can start a summit with our leaders. They'll be deciding where our fleets go...
Shepard: What about EARTH?
Councilors: Shepard, the sooner you do this, the sooner everyone is saved.
*Shepard groans like a child*

Ugh, don't get me started on that exchange.

Shepard's parting promise to Anderson is idiotic. OK, so we roped in the fleets of every species in the galaxy for what amounts to a bayonett charge to liberate Earth. We lost most of our strength doing it, the rest of these species' homeworlds are burning in the meantime, and the Reapers are regrouping to re-retake Earth. Now what, Shepard?

*stares intently, waiting for paragon interrupt to appear*
*...*

[Vazgen]

I always got the impression that taking Earth back is considered a result of defeating the Reapers and not vice versa. 

[Han Shot First]

I always got the impression that taking Earth back is considered a result of defeating the Reapers and not vice versa. 

 

The problem with taking back Earth though, is that it is the plan right from the start. Immediately following Mars Shepard is attempting to gather allies for an Earth counteroffensive, despite it not making any strategic sense (particularly for the non-human factions) at that point. The Earth attack is only justified after the Reapers move the Citadel there, but that doesn't occur until the Crucible is completed and after every remaining faction has already signed on to the plan to counterattack Earth.

 

Shepard telling the Turians that he needs their fleets to save Earth while Palaven burns does count as one of the more absurd statements in the game IMO, as Palaven was a far more strategically important world that had yet to fall (unlike Earth), and the Citadel had not yet been captured and moved.

[ImaginaryMatter]

I always got the impression that taking Earth back is considered a result of defeating the Reapers and not vice versa. 

 

In the end I guess that ends up being the case (although with the biggest space battle ever raging over head there probably wouldn't be much of an Earth left with all the missed slugs and ship debris raining down on the planet). Before then you're never actually given a reason why you're taking back Earth and it doesn't make sense from a wide angle of perspectives.

[themikefest]

At least Shepard was doing something whereas the other species sat around with their paws/claws/tentacles or whatever up their fifth point of contact doing nothing except use Shepard to get what they wanted,and Shepard did that to get help for Earth. Had the crucible been moved to another planet, the fleets would've gone to that planet.

[Vazgen]

I remember Shepard talking a lot about taking Earth back and all, but other species don't do that for Earth. Garrus has a dialogue when he mentions advising the Primarch to retreat, to save forces for the final assault and that Crucible is their only hope now. The whole war centers on the Crucible, it's the only reason the other races help you.  I don't think it would matter to where does the Crucible fire (and if it does matter in terms of collateral damage, the other species are more than willing to make a test run on Earth).

[Barquiel]

I guess marketing had a big impact on the planet we were to reclaim...or everyone in the Mass Effect universe got a little emotional and stopped thinking in terms of what makes sense strategically in a total war of extinction. Both Thessia and Palaven would have been a more suitable choice. I mean, Hackett wanted to take the fleets to Earth even if the crucible doesn't do anything.

[von uber]

Thessia would have been a more sensible staging point. And would have made a great hub too. They could have done something really clever with the Fall of Thessia happening during you being on the hub itself. that would have been a great bit of gameplay, especially as you tend to think of hubs as being 'safe'.

 

You could be meeting the Asari councillor there rather the the Citadel when BAM, Reapers invade and all help breaks loose.

[themikefest]

And had the asari revelaed that artifact earlier, its possible the fleets and crucible would've been taken to the serpeant nebula where the Citadel is for it to fire its beam of magic.