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[Farci Reprimer]

Iorveth path and Roche path both have pros and cons.

 

With Roche there is some chance Geralt actually manages at some point to clear his name of his "kingslayer" reputation. With Iorveth not so much because in the eyes of the world the fugitive witcher sides with the outlaws and infamous murderers to form an illegal realm. But there you can stand beside a greater cause than yourself.

 

As characters, Vernon Roche and Iorveth are not so different from each other. Both have murdered and butchered plenty of people in cold blood in their time.

Both do what they do in service for a cause; Roche for his duty and Iorveth for freedom.

[Dutchess]

I still feel going with Iorveth can be more neutral than sticking with Roche. By the time you have to make a choice Triss has been kidnapped by Letho, and Geralt's priorities shift from clearing his name to findng Triss first and foremost (at least in my eyes). Not only does Roche refuse to immediately pursue Letho, he also wants Geralt to play hitman. Witchers are not supposed to be assassins or plain mercenaries. That's not neutral at all and makes it clear Roche is using Geralt. Butchering a man in his own home does not help clearing your name and decreases your chances of catching up to Letho. Now was Loredo a complete pig, so I happily skewered him once I found out what was going on in that house, but I still felt that agreeing to murder Loredo in the first place does not fit that well with Geralt.

[fchopin]

None of the options are neutral but they are the only options we have.

[Blooddrunk1004]

None of the options are neutral but they are the only options we have.

Saving Triss from Nilgaard camp is neutral option, we had couple of neutral choices here and there.

[Chewin]

I STILL haven't played the Iorveth side.

 

Guess I have time though.

 

You definitely should. As you might now, it is vastly different from Roche's path and offers some different viewpoint on the Pontar Valley incident and more. And of course, there is Philippa.

 

 

[Chewin]

Regarding the Roche vs Iorveth Paths, to put it simply personally I found Roche's path had more memorable and powerful moments, but Iorveth's path has a stronger narrative in the grand scheme of things. 

 

I still feel going with Iorveth can be more neutral than sticking with Roche. By the time you have to make a choice Triss has been kidnapped by Letho, and Geralt's priorities shift from clearing his name to findng Triss first and foremost (at least in my eyes). Not only does Roche refuse to immediately pursue Letho, he also wants Geralt to play hitman. Witchers are not supposed to be assassins or plain mercenaries. That's not neutral at all and makes it clear Roche is using Geralt. Butchering a man in his own home does not help clearing your name and decreases your chances of catching up to Letho. Now was Loredo a complete pig, so I happily skewered him once I found out what was going on in that house, but I still felt that agreeing to murder Loredo in the first place does not fit that well with Geralt.

 

The choice between choosing Iorveth and Roche can be seen as more neutral if one decides to pursue Letho with Iorveth, instead of staying along and killing Loredo, but ultimately Roche's path proves to be more neutral oriented, with you more focused on lifting the curse and finding the Kingslayers, while with Iorveth you are more or less fighting for egalitarianism, whether you want to or not. 

[Milan92]

I played both. Roche is definitely my favorite path, though Iorveth follows very closely.

[Mr.House]

Broche path, best path.

[KT Chong]

Here is an interesting observations on how BioWare and CD Projekt RED handle gays/lesbians.

 

BioWare seems to be very pro-gay, and using it to promote Dragon Age 3.

 

On the other hand in the Witcher 2, the main villains in both the Roche and Iorveth paths are gays.  In the Roche path, a main villain is Dethmold, who is one of the two most despicable villains in the game.  In Iorveth path, the main villain is Phillipa.  Dethmod is a closet gay while Phillipa is openly a lesbian.  Dethmod is blatantly evil while Phillipa is secretly manipulative.

 

A reason why I like the Iorveth path is because both villains (Dethmold and Phillipa) get their dues at the end.  In the Roche path, it is possible for Dethmold to escape justice, and that path does not involve Phillipa at all.  In the Iorveth path, both get their dues, always.  (I want to see both punished not because they are gay, but because they are despicable evil people.)

 

Actually, the Iorveth path seems to cover more grounds and information.  In the Roche path, you would not see or find out much of Phillipa (a background manipulator and mover of events,) and you also would not find out about the connection about the dragon and Saskia.  The dragon is pretty important in both paths.  In the Roche path, the dragon's motivation remains to be a mystery at the end.

 

I also prefer the Iorveth path because of Saskia, who is my favorite character in the game.  She is the most noble and honorable character in the game, and you would not get to know her at all unless you play the Iorveth path.  Unlike most the other characters who are a little bit of black and white (i.e., good and bad,) Saskia is truly good in the classical sense.  Which makes her an anomaly in the Witcher games.  The worst thing about the Roche path that Saskia will be either killed and remained under a spell, and no one would never get to save her.  That is just not an acceptable ending to such a good person.  (Unfortunately, Geralt cannot bang her in the game - a situation that must be remedied in the next game!)

[LPPrince]

So why bring up they're gay?

[Eternal Phoenix]

So why bring up they're gay?

 

He's trying to say CD Projekt are anti-gay maybe with their approach? I disagree. Those characters and their sexuality is irrelevant to the fact that they're awful people. Dethmold is a bloody fantastic villain though. Even his name sounds villainy. Darth Dethmold, lol. 

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And seriously, BROche's path is the best.

 

[KT Chong]

So why bring up they're gay?

 

Just an interesting observation on the differences... I have been doing a poll on Dragon Age: Inquisition and The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt in several other forums, so I've been paying attention to the differences between the two franchises.

[Mr.House]

Then make a new thread for that bullcrap. This thread has already been locked because of crap like that. This thread is not to having a pissing match between DAI and TW3. It's to discuss TW3.

[KT Chong]

I have no intention of making that poll or any comparison in here or the CD Projekt RED forums, because I know people here would just overwhelmingly vote for and support Dragon Age 3, and everyone there would just overwhelming vote for and support The Witcher 3.  I put the poll in other "third party" forums.

[chance52]

I STILL haven't played the Iorveth side.

 

Guess I have time though.

 

You really should.  If you've avoided spoilers for this long good for you but on Iorveth's side you learn more about the dragon.  In Roche's path its just a random dragon that shows up at the start and at the end of the game for no real reason.  In Iorveth's path it becomes more a character.

[LPPrince]

Oh I already know about the Iorveth side. I knew about it before I even got The Witcher 2, same with Roche. I just haven't played through it myself.

 

No spoilers need to be kept for my sake.

[chance52]

Here is an interesting observations on how BioWare and CD Projekt RED handle gays/lesbians.

 

BioWare seems to be very pro-gay, and using it to promote Dragon Age 3.

 

On the other hand in the Witcher 2, the main villains in both the Roche and Iorveth paths are gays.  In the Roche path, a main villain is Dethmold, who is one of the two most despicable villains in the game.  In Iorveth path, the main villain is Phillipa.  Dethmod is a closet gay while Phillipa is openly a lesbian.  Dethmod is blatantly evil while Phillipa is secretly manipulative.

 

 

I have to disagree with you there, Dethmold is not the main villain (he is just holding your 'optional' goal in act 3) and depending on how you spoke with him and what you learned about him he isnt really a villain at all. Though let's not call him a 'white hat' either. He is even very friendly to the Witcher at the start and can remain that way, depending on what you do.  Sure he is holding 'someone' prisoner because his king ordered him too, but he isnt torturing the prisoner and if we are going from a top to bottom 'villain characters' list in the Witcher 2, he doesn't make the top 5 most evil/bad/muahaha/however you want to phrase it.

 

Also Philippa isnt a clear cut villain either, she has a lot more depth and even though she does bad things, on Iorveth's path you hear her reasons and what went wrong.

 

Letho, Philippa and Dethmold can all be seen as villain or not depending on what you learn and your own feelings about the explanations for their actions.

 

My ranking of the W2 villains are:

 

1. Henselt

2. Síle de Tansarville

3. Loredo

4. Prince Stennis

5-6. Gridley and Rupert (minor characters in a side quest but a pretty brutal back story and remain pretty sick in the present once you know all the facts)

7. Philippa Eilhart (maybe, not a great character but you might agree with her end goals)

8. Letho (maybe)

9. Dethmold (maybe)

 

As for gay characters, the madam of the brothel is also gay and a secret freedom fighter for the Scoia'tael.

 

At the end of the day most of the characters in the Witcher 2 aren't one dimensional stereotypes of 'this is what a hero is' 'this is what a villain is' and I really like it when characters are written that way.

[Maliken]

You definitely should. As you might now, it is vastly different from Roche's path and offers some different viewpoint on the Pontar Valley incident and more. And of course, there is Philippa.

 

 

 

Having seen Dijkstra in the demo..

 

 

Could you believe these two had a tryst in the books?

[LPPrince]

ABSOLUTELY.

[Khayness]

Yeh, I can understand the Roche dislike. He's not for everyone, and I guess there are many imported Scoia'tael playthroughs out there (they seem like the better choice).

 

I agree that Roche is a demented bastard. But he is the fun to watch and tag along with kind. Like John Travolta in From Paris with Love. "If you wanna be a secret agent man, you have to roll like a secret agent man. It's code."

 

And Roche lives by that Code.

[Seboist]

BioWare seems to be very pro-gay, and using it to promote Dragon Age 3.

 

Bioware is pro-gaysploitation, their laughable tacked on "romances" ala Traynor and Cortez are not praiseworthy.

[SafetyShattered]

I agree with Seboist on that. It seems like to me, imo, they include homosexual romances just to say that they have them. If I'm comparing their romances to others from the mass effect games they really aren't particularly that well done. Again just my opinion.

[Maliken]

Philippa Eilhart having a sexual relationship with Sigismund Dijkstra in the novels makes it unlikely she's a lesbian like some people claim.

I wouldn't necessarily say she's evil either, she has her goals and ambitions, ultimately wishing for a stable north and a land where mages are free from persecution, although willing to manipulate people and rule said land with little to no opposition.

Siding with the Scoia'tael also leaves some interesting thoughts, perhaps it's pointless to try and help them because the elves are utterly doomed. However, it is somewhat fitting as well, because the time for witchers is also inevitably reaching its end.

[Master Warder Z_]

o.o I support Nilfgaard and i hope for the option to do so to be present in the game, i didn't like from what i have read thus far that the Emperor is the primary antagonist.

 

Pisses me off, shades of Cerberus and all that.