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The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt Discussion - take 2


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Welp, Velen is clear of all points of interest.

 

That was surprisingly fun I'll admit. Maybe because its the first time something like this exists in the Witcher games, so it was quite refreshing not doing quests and just...running about.

 

Also I just came across a huge mind-boggle 

 

Isle of Mists spoiler 

 

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Not from what I have seen.

Radovid's and Philippa's relationship is contrary to TW2, which portrayed a rivarly that featured resentment, but also respect and a bit of affection. TW3 has has lost that--turning one into a lunatic and the other into heartless individual--both losing their complexity in the process and making it simply about one-sided revenge (Radovid directly contradicts what TW2 told about his relationship with Philippa. Or he is lying, but that is stupid as hell). And that isn't even mentioning their respective ideologies and governmental visions they had, which I've seen not a trace off, and I doubt I will.

And this is from early stages on my part, and I doubt the game will prove otherwise, especially from what I have heard.

 You do know that Philippa WAS involved in the plot to kill his father, yes? She also stuck an assassin on Dijkstra when he came too close to finding out (and her romance with him is also strongly implied to be why she now only dates females) Philippa will take on personal grudges or kill people close to her. You also seem to forget that Radovid was going to kill Philippa there (for revenge may I remind you) why should she NOT repay this in kind? Radovid destroyed any chance of letting bygones be bygones when he ripped out her eyes (which even with magic will take a long time to fully create and heal)

 

You might have saw it a different way, I didn't.



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And yet all I am seeing with TW3 Philippa is how heartless she is, that's it. I've seen nothing of the affection that was heavily hinted that she felt when she raised Radovid, her treatment of the nonhumans (improvement of Vivaldi's bank being one of them which increased economic prosperity for many), and her overall vision of an egalitarianism and methods to establish an aristocracy of sorts. She is ruthless and power hungry, but not such a simplistic character as to simply go mad with revenge.

Saskia herself points out to Geralt of Philippa's self-hatred, which adds a lot to explain several of her actions in TW2. Her eyes being taken out is her own fault (Radovid warned her that he would if she didn't repent, but the ever so proud Philippa refused, despite Radovid full knowing her wrongdoings). And for her to go madly with rage and desire to kill Radovid simply because of that? Sorry, but she is not that simple of a character.

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And yet all I am seeing with TW3 Philippa is how heartless she is, that's it. I've seen nothing of the affection that was heavily hinted that she felt when she raised Radovid, her treatment of the nonhumans (improvement of Vivaldi's bank being one of them which increased economic prosperity for many), and her overall vision of an egalitarianism and methods to establish an aristocracy of sorts. She is ruthless and power hungry, but not such a simplistic character as to simply go mad with revenge.

Saskia herself points out to Geralt of Philippa's self-hatred, which adds a lot to explain several of her actions in TW2. Her eyes being taken out is her own fault (Radovid warned her that he would if she didn't repent, but the ever so proud Philippa refused, despite Radovid full knowing her wrongdoings). And for her to go madly with rage and desire to kill Radovid simply because of that? Sorry, but she is not that simple of a character.

All of what you mentioned comes up with her interactions with Ciri so it's not like it's not there. it's simply not there for Radovid and again this does fit her character because she has pulled similar things in the past.



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Not as superficially as TW3 is portraying it.

We'll see once I have completely finished the game, but I doubt it will happen.

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Not as superficially as TW3 is portraying it.

We'll see once I have completely finished the game, but I doubt it will happen.

If Philippa can stick an assassin on Dijkstra(who she was far closer to then Radovid) she can plan revenge on a guy who ripped her eyes out and tried to kill her.



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If Philippa can stick an assassin on Dijkstra(who she was far closer to then Radovid) she can plan revenge on a guy who ripped her eyes out and tried to kill her.


You mean closer than a Radovid which she nurtured since he was a child and grew affection for (bolstered by the fact how mages are infertile and can't have a baby, which is taken up in TW2)? Sorry, but I don't buy it. Especially since it is taken up that while she held affection for Djikstra, it was also for political reasons, which she did with many men and women.

Plus even if she held Djikstra in higher esteem, her assassination reasons wasn't as simple as him breaking her heart or anything, but Djikstra being one of the most powerful men in the realm and a threat to her plans. TW3 is making it only personal with Radovid, from what I have seen.

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Yeah, don't expect anything major from Philippa, Chewin. CDPR dropped the bomb with her, Radovid and the majority of TW2's cast.

Heck, it is like TW2 never happened.

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So I finally finished Witcher 3.

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Finally we found Alvin in TW3.
All conspiracy is proven to be true, sadly. 
 

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Surprised I haven't heard much talk of this. I mean it was pretty obvious before, but... :o

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Yeah, don't expect anything major from Philippa, Chewin. CDPR dropped the bomb with her, Radovid and the majority of TW2's cast.

Heck, it is like TW2 never happened.

But to be honest, I saw that coming, considering that half the writing staff was different and all their PR seemed to reinforce the theme of a more "personal story" and "no more dabbling around in politics". I also know a lot of Witcher 1 fans felt discarded when TW2 came out, so I figured continuity wouldn't be the focus.


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But to be honest, I saw that coming, considering that half the writing staff was different and all their PR seemed to reinforce the theme of a more "personal story" and "no more dabbling around in politics". I also know a lot of Witcher 1 fans felt discarded when TW2 came out, so I figured continuity wouldn't be the focus.

It's also not the first time CDP has dropped the ball on characters either, so when you have a new writing team and a brand new focus, things will change big time.

 

But eh, I never expected the third war to even compare to the second Nilfgaard war.



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It is disappointing that even BW does continuity better than CDPR :/

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I'm probably alone but I wasn't really disappointed by any of this.

Only thing I'm a bit underwhelmed by is how underused Emhyr felt.

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It is disappointing that even BW does continuity better than CDPR :/

True, but I judge games first on enjoyability on their own. This is where TW2 and TW3 trump any ME or DA game for me.


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I'm probably alone but I wasn't really disappointed by any of this.

Only thing I'm a bit underwhelmed by is how underused Emhyr felt.

Same. It still irks me that Emyhrs secrets was tossed around like it was nothing and thus massively contradicting what happens in the last book :/

 

Really, I was more disappointed there was no one night stand or a romance plot for Fringilla over the politics tbh. Why even bring her if you won't touch upon that subject CDP!?



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It is disappointing that even BW does continuity better than CDPR :/

I wouldn't say that for Mass Effect or Dragon Age to be honest. ME3 contained major character assassinations for all kinds of characters. To name a few, Ashley, Udina, Samara... the list goes on, and that's not to metion there was several retcons.

 

The only retcon per se I've seen (which can be explained somehow) in TW3 is what the hell Roche did with Anaïs between Witcher 2 and Witcher 3, because she's nowhere to be seen.

 

Even so, I still feel like there was a better sense of continuity between the three Mass Effects than the three The Witchers. I think it's because at least Bioware did do some exposition on why ME2's plot started the way it did after ME1... but IDK. A lot of people flack on ME2 for either A) "having no plot) or B) being an awful continuation. The main reason for the latter statement is that ME1 ends with Shepard going "we're gonna find a way to stop the Reapers!" and Udina/Anderson's last words are something like "We're gonna stop those Reapers!" too but then ME2 sets up the plot by saying "nobody believed Shepard so now he's hunting geth".

 

Perhaps Mass Effect is better of a continuity than Witcher, but to say either one is ideal would be so wrong. I think we have yet to experience a good, consistent, continuous video game trilogy, even after this. (But if you think Witcher or Mass Effect were perfect trilogies, then more power to you!)


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I wouldn't say that for Mass Effect or Dragon Age to be honest. ME3 contained major character assassinations for all kinds of characters. To name a few, Ashley, Udina, Samara... the list goes on, and that's not to metion there was several retcons.
 
The only retcon per se I've seen (which can be explained somehow) in TW3 is what the hell Roche did with Anaïs between Witcher 2 and Witcher 3, because she's nowhere to be seen.
 
Even so, I still feel like there was a better sense of continuity between the three Mass Effects than the three The Witchers. I think it's because at least Bioware did do some exposition on why ME2's plot started the way it did after ME1... but IDK. A lot of people flack on ME2 for either A) "having no plot) or B) being an awful continuation. The main reason for the latter statement is that ME1 ends with Shepard going "we're gonna find a way to stop the Reapers!" and Udina/Anderson's last words are something like "We're gonna stop those Reapers!" too but then ME2 sets up the plot by saying "nobody believed Shepard so now he's hunting geth".
 
Perhaps Mass Effect is better of a continuity than Witcher, but to say either one is ideal would be so wrong. I think we have yet to experience a good, consistent, continuous video game trilogy, even after this. (But if you think Witcher or Mass Effect were perfect trilogies, then more power to you!)

Mass Effect 2 is one of the better praised games of all time, it elevated BioWare to a new level.
You might not like it, but its universally praised by crítica and players alike.

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Mass Effect 2 is one of the better praised games of all time, it elevated BioWare to a new level.
You might not like it, but its universally praised by crítica and players alike.

Um you do know alot of people who enjoyed ME2 did complain about how alot of the characters from the first game where handled, right?



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Um you do know alot of people who enjoyed ME2 did complain about how alot of the characters from the first game where handled, right?

Um you do know alot of people who enjoyed ME2 did complain about how alot of the characters from the first game where handled, right?


Yes, like the VS and Liara, still it is one of the most praised game ever.

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You can still praise a game and give criticism. TW3 is in my top 3, does not mean I'll overlook its faults (same with TW2)


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I found this screenshot quite hilarious. It's like Uma's photo bombing and Geralt's like "Not again Uma!"

 

Also all these Smuggler Cache's keep netting my better and better Horse Stamina stuff. And I'm sitting on top a mountain of Diretium Ore/Ingots, so I should get the Mastercrafted Ursine this playthrough.

 

Then I think I'll take a break to finally playthrough Inquisition, then swing back round for a 3rd Playthrough with an Iorveth import, then see what happens then.



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You can still praise a game and give criticism. TW3 is in my top 3, does not mean I'll overlook its faults (same with TW2)


So we don't disagree :)

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Mass Effect 2 is one of the better praised games of all time, it elevated BioWare to a new level.
You might not like it, but its universally praised by crítica and players alike.

Most successful/most popular =/= best.

 

If you go by that definition then Witcher 3 is the best too. I'm not saying I don't think it is, but in terms of storytelling I think Witcher 2 has the edge.

 

Just for the record though. I love Mass Effect 2, a lot. I just can't really praise it for its storytelling. It has a lot of interesting characters and subplots but the main plot... nah. It just wasn't handled properly.