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#5426
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Patch 1.05 is out. As for the race issue of TW world, I honest think is bullshit. Every story has its own "vibe". Because beowulf does not include a African American character hence it lacks diversity?


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It figures that once TW became a high profile game all these crazy people would come to poop on it.

 

The Witcher's always been about European culture, right? Especially Eastern Europe.

 

Last time I checked, there weren't any black guys around there 'in those days.'

 

Just like if we ever have an Elder Scrolls Hammerfell (which I really hope we do cos that place looked awesome in Daggerfall) we'd see a lot more black dudes than white.

 

Simple.

 

There's no "race issue" since race was irrelevant in the first place. It's not like Dragon Age where the world itself is thriving with different cultures and people from all over Thedas, the game is set in a medieval European-esque setting, therefore it will continue to do so.

 

Jeez.



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Another hour into White Orchad.

*snip*
 
And by god there are a ton of things to do here, I think I'd be there for another 3 to 4 hours if I were a completionist.

And then you'd fall backwards and your jaw would drop when you entered Velen/Novigrad.

And then you'd start weeping in fetal position at the overwhelming effort required for completionism when you arrive at Skellige
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#5429
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So anyone done Roche's Eye for an eye quest? I'm in The Hanged Tree, yet Roche isn't there. Have tried reloading and a different save file. I'm not that far in the story, still in Novigrad. I haven't done the Deadly Plot quest either.

Anyone know a way around?

EDIT: Ah, found the issue. Hadn't doalwnloaded the patch.

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http://www.terminall...-and-diversity/

 

Good blog post about misconceptions about what's historically-inspired and what's not about TW3.

 

It's technically about race which doesn't bother me, but it brought up a good discussion about the lore itself.

 

Its funny that he talks like it major problem for people, when only it was problem for polygon site. :o

It figures that once TW became a high profile game all these crazy people would come to poop on it.

 

The Witcher's always been about European culture, right? Especially Eastern Europe.

 

Last time I checked, there weren't any black guys around there 'in those days.'

 

Just like if we ever have an Elder Scrolls Hammerfell (which I really hope we do cos that place looked awesome in Daggerfall) we'd see a lot more black dudes than white.

 

Simple.

 

There's no "race issue" since race was irrelevant in the first place. It's not like Dragon Age where the world itself is thriving with different cultures and people from all over Thedas, the game is set in a medieval European-esque setting, therefore it will continue to do so.

 

Jeez.

Half of the population of the valen, skellige, novigrad and white orchad should be black and 50 % should be bearded women(conchita) also ofcourse there should be and 50% gay/bi people. Ofcourse those npc should be unkillable so it would not offend anyone, unfortunately it might still offend because atleast half of the main characters should be to. But that might offend too if they dont get enough dialog or time in the main plot. So its tricky situation for the cdpr. :wacko:



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So I was finally getting around to collecting all those upgrade diagrams when I ran into this majestic creature a few nights ago

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...I wonder if it's still there.


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It figures that once TW became a high profile game all these crazy people would come to poop on it.

 

The Witcher's always been about European culture, right? Especially Eastern Europe.

 

Last time I checked, there weren't any black guys around there 'in those days.'

 

Just like if we ever have an Elder Scrolls Hammerfell (which I really hope we do cos that place looked awesome in Daggerfall) we'd see a lot more black dudes than white.

 

Simple.

 

There's no "race issue" since race was irrelevant in the first place. It's not like Dragon Age where the world itself is thriving with different cultures and people from all over Thedas, the game is set in a medieval European-esque setting, therefore it will continue to do so.

 

Jeez.

 

Well, the Witcher is about Geralt & friends and certain themes. I wouldn't say it's about eastern European culture per se, though the setting borrows elements - just as it borrows stuff from other parts of Europe and from other eras than the strictly high-to-late medieval.

 

The historical European stuff IS a lot more present in the world of the Witcher games, because CDPR had to give the world a degree of 'solidity' and believability that the books could just skip and leave to the readers' imagination. For instance, Temeria in the games combines what is basically North German / Netherlandish urban architecture (also present in ex-German parts of modern Poland and old Polish cities with a heavy North German architectural influence) with farmhouses that are distinctively Polish. Next to Slavic names there are a LOT of German and Dutch personal and placenames (and some monster names), plus of course English, Gaelic, Hungarian etc. but that's straight from Sapkowski, who clearly had fun researching and combining languages and names. But it's all very, very Northern-Central-East-Central European plus some other nearby stuff. Also helps in giving it a very different flair from Anglo-American standard fantasy.



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So I was finally getting around to collecting all those upgrade diagrams when I ran into this majestic creature a few nights ago

11289450_10206124106038412_8474072339310

...I wonder if it's still there.

Think you can do as many ss for this game as DD?  That would be awesome! 

 

How far into the game are you? 


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#5434
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Good blog post about misconceptions about what's historically-inspired and what's not about TW3.

It's technically about race which doesn't bother me, but it brought up a good discussion about the lore itself.

I read the first line, regarding the game is about white people and didn't bother with the rest. At that point the rest of the article was inevitably full of **** and s worthless pile of crap.

Ironically, most of these social justice hipsters are so fixated on race and hand wringing they have become entirely dismissive of the fact black, yellow brown or any other persons have brains and can speak for themselves.

But apparently according to the author's ilk they need that privileged white hipster to stand up for them and point out the problem on their behalf.

The stupidity keeps on feeding itself. It's a self sustaining guilt trip, which draws in anyone stupid or naive enough to consider that their proposal has any merit.

I yearn for the days when an opinion was not sacrosanct and they'd be lambasted roundly for being retarded, not given a platform to spew this illiterate tripe on the grounds of diversity and everyone's opinion being equally valid.
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That cow exploit that I heard so many people doing. If you do it after the patch you will get a nice little surprise now.

 

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 


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Still didn't find Golden Oriole, but I did get all the mastercrafted schematics I was missing (some griffin and some ursine - already owned all the cat), and found the forumla for Rebis.  I looked at my stock and I have almost all the superior potions,decoctions and oils save for maybe four.  And that was just via meandering in and out of caves and ruins.  Didn't actively look for them. The joy of this game is just meandering around and exploring, in my opinion. 

 

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Drat, new patch is out and it didn't fix the wet armor bug. Every time I leave the pause screen or any menu Geralt's armor becomes soaking wet. I was hoping the new patch would fix it so I could start playing again. It's not game breaking but i'd be lying if I didn't say it's extremely annoying.



#5438
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If I WERE a completionist.

 

Good thing I'm not.

 

Oh! And also, I loooooove the variety of fauna, especially trees. It's not all just oaks or all birches etc... there's a lovely variety and the forests are wild, disorganised and shift in densities.

 

+1000 to their design.

The foilage + lighting rendering in this game is just absolutely jaw dropping, no matter what system you play it on. I still think that's the most next-gen thing I've seen yet, and I'm pretty sure we're gonna look at this game in a couple of years and say "wow, it looks kind of old".

 

The only thing about graphics I don't like is how the game looks very dry and, honestly, quite ugly during the night in specific areas. That's where the downgrade kind of shows.

 

I still think, when looking at some pre-downgrade shots that some parts look even better now, though. I much prefer how vibrant it ended up looking.


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#5439
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It figures that once TW became a high profile game all these crazy people would come to poop on it.

 

The Witcher's always been about European culture, right? Especially Eastern Europe.

 

Last time I checked, there weren't any black guys around there 'in those days.'

 

Just like if we ever have an Elder Scrolls Hammerfell (which I really hope we do cos that place looked awesome in Daggerfall) we'd see a lot more black dudes than white.

 

Simple.

 

There's no "race issue" since race was irrelevant in the first place. It's not like Dragon Age where the world itself is thriving with different cultures and people from all over Thedas, the game is set in a medieval European-esque setting, therefore it will continue to do so.

 

Jeez.

 

Based on medieval Europe. Based. And rather loosely too. Unless of course my Anglo-Saxon ancestors fought Sirens on the beaches of Britain?!

 

Like DA the Witcher series borrows from European elements but is firmly rooted in fantasy. Using a cultural or historical argument for excluding black or asian faces is rather weak on those grounds.

 

The only argument that really holds water and the one you should be using is what the author of the novels, these games are tied to, really intended for the world he created. This is a far stronger argument to make then the one you're making.

 

Plus the medieval world you believe in did not exist. The actual one had contact with the Moors in Spain and with North Africa as well as Turkic and Arab peoples and even the Slavic/Scandinavian/Russian people had contact with Mongols, Tartars, Turkic, and non-Caucasoid peoples. They were not as ignorant as you might think of the wider world. Certainly not the upper-classes or the merchants.

 

I also love this game.



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Yup, and also, everything in Skellige is obvious nordic mythology. They all have names like "Bjorn" and stuff and "thorlund" and they even have a myth called "Ragh nar Roog" or something which is obviously "Ragnarok"



#5441
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So i turned down the music for Witcher 3, then went to youtube and found a 1 hour extended version of Mysterious Destiny from Bayonetta, lol some how it fit.



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Just started the fantastic quest line of trying to find Dandelion. 

 

Just waiting for the option to kick Zoltan's backside at Gwent. I'm guessing he plays Scoia'tael, so fog cards ahoy!

 

Hopefully by beating him it triggers the Old Pals Gwent quest. Need to feed my addiction :c



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Well, the Witcher is about Geralt & friends and certain themes. I wouldn't say it's about eastern European culture per se, though the setting borrows elements - just as it borrows stuff from other parts of Europe and from other eras than the strictly high-to-late medieval.

 

The historical European stuff IS a lot more present in the world of the Witcher games, because CDPR had to give the world a degree of 'solidity' and believability that the books could just skip and leave to the readers' imagination. For instance, Temeria in the games combines what is basically North German / Netherlandish urban architecture (also present in ex-German parts of modern Poland and old Polish cities with a heavy North German architectural influence) with farmhouses that are distinctively Polish. Next to Slavic names there are a LOT of German and Dutch personal and placenames (and some monster names), plus of course English, Gaelic, Hungarian etc. but that's straight from Sapkowski, who clearly had fun researching and combining languages and names. But it's all very, very Northern-Central-East-Central European plus some other nearby stuff. Also helps in giving it a very different flair from Anglo-American standard fantasy.

 

Which is excatly why that entire article is dumb af.

 

 


Based on medieval Europe. Based. And rather loosely too. Unless of course my Anglo-Saxon ancestors fought Sirens on the beaches of Britain?!

 

Like DA the Witcher series borrows from European elements but is firmly rooted in fantasy. Using a cultural or historical argument for excluding black or asian faces is rather weak on those grounds.

 

The only argument that really holds water and the one you should be using is what the author of the novels, these games are tied to, really intended for the world he created. This is a far stronger argument to make then the one you're making.

 

Plus the medieval world you believe in did not exist. The actual one had contact with the Moors in Spain and with North Africa as well as Turkic and Arab peoples and even the Slavic/Scandinavian/Russian people had contact with Mongols, Tartars, Turkic, and non-Caucasoid peoples. They were not as ignorant as you might think of the wider world. Certainly not the upper-classes or the merchants.

 

I also love this game.

 

I made the point hoping that peeps would get what I meant by 'based of.' As in, the same way Tolkien's works are influenced by Norse mythology.

 

And yes, I am very well aware that Moors had contact with Europe and conquered a lot of Spain since I'm from the same place where the Moors staged their attack (Gibraltar) or at least, the place that played a large part of that invasion.

 

I thought it was pretty pointless for me to add that.

 

But I guess I should have.

 

So my point was in a world where its respective cultures are influenced by European this, that and the other, the argument for diversity holds little weight. Especially in a world as set-in-stone as the Witcher.

 

It's already had two games.

 

Now that the third is a huge contender in the industry it's no surprise these things come up.

 

Reminds me of "why aren't there black people in LOTR? Tolkien was clearly a racist."



#5444
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No! Not the... Crimson Avenger!


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Can I play this game without having to witness first hand many brutalized bodies of women? I saw "that" Keira Metz screenshot. No thanks.

 

I like the grimdark gritty darkness of dark fantasy to a point, but I don't care for that plot device in particular.

 

I'm not looking for an argument - don't try to convince me of how fitting it is given the setting or anything else. I only want to know if I can avoid the stuff for the most part. Cheers.



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Can I play this game without having to witness first hand many brutalized bodies of women? I saw "that" Keira Metz screenshot. No thanks.

 

I like the grimdark gritty darkness of dark fantasy to a point, but I don't care for that plot device in particular.

 

I'm not looking for an argument - don't try to convince me of how fitting it is given the setting or anything else. I only want to know if I can avoid the stuff for the most part. Cheers.

Don't bother.



#5447
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Got my copy today. My god.... it's beautiful. Tons of fun so far, but the loading screens (though they are few and far between) can be murder.

Really liking that the side quests have some substance to them. I don't think I've seen side quests that were this involved since Majora's Mask.



#5448
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Y'all should install the game on an SSD, loading screens are a breeze.



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I read the first line, regarding the game is about white people and didn't bother with the rest. At that point the rest of the article was inevitably full of **** and s worthless pile of crap.

Ironically, most of these social justice hipsters are so fixated on race and hand wringing they have become entirely dismissive of the fact black, yellow brown or any other persons have brains and can speak for themselves.

But apparently according to the author's ilk they need that privileged white hipster to stand up for them and point out the problem on their behalf.

The stupidity keeps on feeding itself. It's a self sustaining guilt trip, which draws in anyone stupid or naive enough to consider that their proposal has any merit.

I yearn for the days when an opinion was not sacrosanct and they'd be lambasted roundly for being retarded, not given a platform to spew this illiterate tripe on the grounds of diversity and everyone's opinion being equally valid.

 

Besides these are the people keep saying "the Witcher is racist!" 

 

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