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[TheJester000]

lmao @ "worst writing."

 

Do u even ME3?

 

 

Yup, and I also have the ability to look at games without "nostalgia glasses". You haven't played Witcher 1 recently if you think the writing is better than ME3.

[Han Shot First]

The expansion description says old characters will be returning for both of them. Most people I've seen online are speculating the returning characters are Iorveth, Saskia, Shani, and maybe Siegfried.

 

Spoiler

Iorveth is dead.

[Linkenski]

I beat the game 10 minutes ago. What a great game. I still have absolutely no idea how long it took. I think I got a quite satisfying outcome... but the conclusion... Aaaaah I really don't wanna be saying this after such a good time but, the ending was ****** lacklustre. The whole climax was building up great but then... it suddenly started itself up in a pace that felt unnatural to me.

 

Spoiler

So here's my ending: I killed Eredin and then plot-twist nobody saw coming: Avallac'h has plans for Ciri. I go there with Yennefer, then I go alone while she holds up a barrier. Avallac'h wants to be civil, throws down his blade and Ciri comes in saying she wants to do whatever this is. It's a way to stop the ithlene's prophecy for good apparently, so she enters a portal set up by Avallac'h, and you get to say "don't go" or "whatever" and other stuff before she goes. Then after entering, Ciri gets flashbacks of good times with dad, accurately reflecting all the things I did with Ciri throughout the game, then flash to white and flash forward 2 weeks... WHAT!? Okay, I'm at Emhyr's and tell her "Ciri's dead" and Emhyr says goodbye for good, I don't care. Then Geralt says he has too meet someone by an inn, but on his way he gets a new Silver Sword he calls "Zirael" so I thought it was a memento for Ciri. Then finally, I enter the inn thinking "oh that's probably Triss Merigold in under that hoodie" but nice surprise, it was Ciri! She's alive, oh goodness! The bitter feelings I had quickly turned into joy and I felt such a relief. Turns out the Zirael silver sword was for Ciri because she wants to be a witcher too. That's pretty nice. She makes a nice punchline about wanting to start training immediately, then BOOM "Witcher 3: Wild Hunt" logo and an epilogue slide of Dandelion telling all the smaller outcomes.

 

I'm sorry, but that does not cut it for me. Again, THERE'S NO CLOSURE!? What the fuuuuuck?

This was yet another big and long RPG where I got so invested in the characters and wanted to follow them to the very end and I just feel cut off before I'm ready to. Game developers really need to master how to tackle the bookends of a video game trilogy (emphasis on game) because the pacing of this ending is just too abrupt for how long it takes to get through it IMO. At least it mostly makes sense and I understood why most things happened.

 

...everything except

Spoiler

What happened to Avallac'h? The whole ending twist came very suddenly and ended before any explaining was properly done How the **** did Ciri trick him? What actually happened, in the small details right then and there at the climax? It felt like a cop-out.

 

CDPR is not done with this game IMO. I hope they can throw in some more stuff for Enhanced Edition in half a year's time or one year at least.

 

Spoiler

Please also show a scene with Yen and/or Triss with in-game graphics and acting before credits and not just paintings and Dandelion's crappy old-man actor. Also, what's the point of making Old-dandelion if we're not getting an awesome zoomout as he closes his book and we see Old Dandelion smiling to the camera while his old wife Priscilla with an eye-patch fondles him over his arm or shoulder in a sweet elderly way? I was hoping for that the whole game.

 

I hate saying this, but I'm pretty ****** disappointed. I hope there's a better ending in the game but somehow I suspect there is not.

 

But to lighten the mood again. (with some late game albeit non-verbal spoilers). This made me go lmao:

[In Exile]

What? TW1 is of course very old now and bad in some ways (Graphics, voice acting etc. but this counts for all old games) but its still a very good game

It has a great and unique (slavic) atmosphere and the writing isn't bad at all

The ending is better than recent Bioware games (ME3, DA:I) too even though CDPR was just an indie company back then

Saying it has the worst of anything is just silly

 

The gameplay is basically just terrible, and those swamps are an abomination. It's an indie game and it shows. 

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

Not sure how the graphics in TW1 could be considered bad though...now, yes, but the fact that CDPR squeezed stuff like this out of the same engine as Neverwinter Nights was damned impressive.

 

 

[Linkenski]

I think the acting and presentation (except environmental graphics) is so awful in TW1 that it makes it impossible for me to judge the writing itself properly. That makes no sense, but that's what I feel.

 

I think ME3's problem with writing for me mostly was that Shepard had too many moments where he had to stand and moralize in front of soldiers or tell them the meaning behind sacrifice or just in general there was too many empty and melodramatic platitudes in between all the characters too often. I much prefer how TW1 and TW2 character seem above their emotions but they show feelings when they have to and when it feels fitting. I felt that way even more about Witcher 3. It wasn't a problem in ME1 or ME2 either, except for Benezia's awful death scene.

[In Exile]

Not sure how the graphics in TW1 could be considered bad though...now, yes, but the fact that CDPR squeezed stuff like this out of the same engine as Neverwinter Nights was damned impressive.

 

 

That's basically the engine Bioware used in everything (though they modded it heavily, obviously) up to the release of ME and now DA:I. 

[Fishy]

Would love to play a new character .. Like a Higher vampire

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

I beat the game 10 minutes ago. What a great game. I still have absolutely no idea how long it took. I think I got a quite satisfying outcome... but the conclusion... Aaaaah I really don't wanna be saying this after such a good time but, the ending was ****** lacklustre. The whole climax was building up great but then... it suddenly started itself up in a pace that felt unnatural to me.

 

Spoiler

So here's my ending: I killed Eredin and then plot-twist nobody saw coming: Avallac'h has plans for Ciri. I go there with Yennefer, then I go alone while she holds up a barrier. Avallac'h wants to be civil, throws down his blade and Ciri comes in saying she wants to do whatever this is. It's a way to stop the ithlene's prophecy for good apparently, so she enters a portal set up by Avallac'h, and you get to say "don't go" or "whatever" and other stuff before she goes. Then after entering, Ciri gets flashbacks of good times with dad, accurately reflecting all the things I did with Ciri throughout the game, then flash to white and flash forward 2 weeks... WHAT!? Okay, I'm at Emhyr's and tell her "Ciri's dead" and Emhyr says goodbye for good, I don't care. Then Geralt says he has too meet someone by an inn, but on his way he gets a new Silver Sword he calls "Zirael" so I thought it was a memento for Ciri. Then finally, I enter the inn thinking "oh that's probably Triss Merigold in under that hoodie" but nice surprise, it was Ciri! She's alive, oh goodness! The bitter feelings I had quickly turned into joy and I felt such a relief. Turns out the Zirael silver sword was for Ciri because she wants to be a witcher too. That's pretty nice. She makes a nice punchline about wanting to start training immediately, then BOOM "Witcher 3: Wild Hunt" logo and an epilogue slide of Dandelion telling all the smaller outcomes.

 

I'm sorry, but that does not cut it for me. Again, THERE'S NO CLOSURE!? What the fuuuuuck?

This was yet another big and long RPG where I got so invested in the characters and wanted to follow them to the very end and I just feel cut off before I'm ready to. Game developers really need to master how to tackle the bookends of a video game trilogy (emphasis on game) because the pacing of this ending is just too abrupt for how long it takes to get through it IMO. At least it mostly makes sense and I understood why most things happened.

 

...everything except

Spoiler

What happened to Avallac'h? The whole ending twist came very suddenly and ended before any explaining was properly done How the **** did Ciri trick him? What actually happened, in the small details right then and there at the climax? It felt like a cop-out.

 

CDPR is not done with this game IMO. I hope they can throw in some more stuff for Enhanced Edition in half a year's time or one year at least.

 

Spoiler

Please also show a scene with Yen and/or Triss with in-game graphics and acting before credits and not just paintings and Dandelion's crappy old-man actor. Also, what's the point of making Old-dandelion if we're not getting an awesome zoomout as he closes his book and we see Old Dandelion smiling to the camera while his old wife Priscilla with an eye-patch fondles him over his arm or shoulder in a sweet elderly way? I was hoping for that the whole game.

 

I hate saying this, but I'm pretty ****** disappointed. I hope there's a better ending in the game but somehow I suspect there is not.

 

While I got and prefer the Witcher ending...

 

Spoiler

 

I'd say the ending where Ciri becomes the Empress actually feels the most...complete. There's a fantastic final scene between Geralt and Ciri to wrap it up, full of nostalgia, happiness and then heartbreak...and then it ends on a very bittersweet note. 

 

It feels like the most conclusive ending, basically. Very 'Frodo sailing to the Grey Havens' esque. You don't know if Geralt and Ciri are ever going to see each other again...but it feels like the end all the same. 

 

 

Also just love the ending music. 

 

[In Exile]

I think the acting and presentation (except environmental graphics) is so awful in TW1 that it makes it impossible for me to judge the writing itself properly. That makes no sense, but that's what I feel.

 

I think ME3's problem with writing for me mostly was that Shepard had too many moments where he had to stand and moralize in front of soldiers or tell them the meaning behind sacrifice or just in general there was too many empty and melodramatic platitudes in between all the characters too often. I much prefer how TW1 and TW2 character seem above their emotions but they show feelings when they have to and when it feels fitting. I felt that way even more about Witcher 3. It wasn't a problem in ME1 or ME2 either, except for Benezia's awful death scene.

 

I think characters are pretty emotional in TW in general. They're just not melodramatic. They talk about their emotions the way people do, as opposed to the way a CW character would talk about emotions. Bioware's pretty hit and miss on this point, IMO. Hit, in that it's always good... until (miss) they get to a romance. And then it's the CW. 

[Linkenski]

Can you tell me which choices affect the ending scene(s) most?

 

More ending talk:

Spoiler

did anyone else feel put off by how quickly the end Avallac'h twist right after Eredin's fight, began and ended? I didn't count but it felt way too short for how big a moment it was. the 2-week skip made me say "Wait WHAT?" outloud.

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

That's basically the engine Bioware used in everything (though they modded it heavily, obviously) up to the release of ME and now DA:I. 

 

And frankly it looked a lot better than anything BioWare did on that engine, before or after. 

 

Which doesn't say a heck of a lot, but still.

[Fishy]

Seriously juist play witcher 1 in polish. The english dub was terrible.

[Linkenski]

Seriously juist play witcher 1 in polish. The english dub was terrible.

I tried Witcher 2 in polish but ended up questioning whether it was even the original voiceover for the game. The characters sounded like people speaking into microphones and I'm not a good judge when it comes to foreign acting but it didn't sound like good polish acting to me. Made me think the english dub was the one CDPR cared most about.

[In Exile]

And frankly it looked a lot better than anything BioWare did on that engine, before or after. 

 

Which doesn't say a heck of a lot, but still.

 

I think DA:O is pretty comparable. The big difference is the face models, but Bioware's always going to suffer in that regard because they use a CC rather than the more complex custom tools you can use to create high-res faces (which is how ME cheated for the face models). 

[Giantdeathrobot]

Witcher 1 had a good story, soundtrack and atmosphere, but the rest? eeeh. Combat was a boring Simon Says, level design was awful (as someone has said, the swamps are one of the single worst levels in any RPG). Loot wasn't anything to write home about. Animation quality was mediocre, conversations especially were incredibly stiff and several characters had freaky, globulous eyes (such as Zoltan and Dandelion). The sex cards were also just silly.

 

CDPR has come a long way since then. The only thing that's not straight up better in TW3 IMO is maybe the main plot. And that's a big maybe.

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

I think DA:O is pretty comparable.

 

I'll have to disagree with you there. TW1 was much nicer to look at than the dull, jagged, murky brown-ness of DA:O.

[slimgrin]

I think the acting and presentation (except environmental graphics) is so awful in TW1 that it makes it impossible for me to judge the writing itself properly. That makes no sense, but that's what I feel.

 

I think ME3's problem with writing for me mostly was that Shepard had too many moments where he had to stand and moralize in front of soldiers or tell them the meaning behind sacrifice or just in general there was too many empty and melodramatic platitudes in between all the characters too often. I much prefer how TW1 and TW2 character seem above their emotions but they show feelings when they have to and when it feels fitting. I felt that way even more about Witcher 3. It wasn't a problem in ME1 or ME2 either, except for Benezia's awful death scene.

 

TW1 should only ever be played with Polish voice over. It's like experiencing a foreign film. I don't know how the hell they pulled off that cathedral in TW1 it literally outdoes most of the indoor environments in TW3.

[Linkenski]

Another thing I just realized makes absolutely no sense to me regarding a lot of the endings:

 

Spoiler

if Ciri survives the White Frost... how does she even get back? It clearly shows the portal closing and Geralt looking sad implying "Point of no return, Ciri made her choice and is gone for good". Then it just cops out and shows her alive in the world of the Aen Seide but with no explanation? Apparently there's an official guide for the game in which it says "if Ciri's resolve is strong enough she survives. If not, she dies".

 

Wow. So love conquers evil. What happened CDPR? I really think they ran out of budget or stopped caring when they were developing the final bit of the story.

 

 

TW1 should only ever be played with Polish voice over. It's like experiencing a foreign film. 

Being a dane who semi-regularly sees foreign stuff like French, Spanish and American movies, that's not the vibe I got from TW1 or TW2's polish dub, at all, lol.

[Simfam]

Yup, and I also have the ability to look at games without "nostalgia glasses". You haven't played Witcher 1 recently if you think the writing is better than ME3.

 

 

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[nici2412]

Just a question.
I plan in playing WItcher 3, very excited about it, but decided to play Witcher 1 and 2 for the first time before.

It's strange how some people here are trying to portray Witcher 1 as a bad or mediocre game.

The enhanced edition has a metascore of 86%  and userscore of 8.5.

In comparison Dragon Age Inqusition also has a metascore of 86% (85% xbox, 85% pc, 89 ps4=86,3%) and userscore of 6,7 (7.4 ps4, 5.8 pc, 6.9 xbox)

 

Though I agree that the gameplay takes getting used to and is mediocre at best and distracting at worst. I would try it (it's often on steam/gog sales for 1-2$) out and if you can't get along with the combat I would watch a let's play, but you will miss a lot of the great atmosphere.