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[Chewin]

I didn't realize that Chewin was Knight of Phoenix. I thought you'd vanished.


How are you defining politics? Because I was kind of disappointed in TW2 on that front. It felt like there was too much focus on really close-in things (Oh no, how do we get out of Flotsam?! Oh no, how do we kill these marauding spirits summoned by a dead sorceress?!) and the main plot, while ultimately political in nature (the Nilfgaardians attempting to seize control), was far too meatheaded in its execution (let's just kill kings!).

I saw little political maneuvering in the game, the closest was Henselt and Saskia's meeting at the beginning of Act 2 (though for some reason I'm drawing a weird blank on Act 3, perhaps that had some).

 

Simple, it is not putting one's attention to simply the intrigues of the show, but also the games domestic, regional and global levels that are explored (through different means, mostly through dialog with side and minor characters that helps flesh out these aspects).

 

The conflict revolving the Pontar Valley is the most prominent factor where these aspects are at play, and it requires one to do both playthroughs to properly grasp the situation that takes place within the game. Just to name a few; Saskia's rebellion and ambition of establishing Pontar Valley as an egalitarian meritocratic state, is proto-nationalism at its finest which delves into the racial segregation, economics, revolution and unification of the dwarves and elves (Flotsam can be seen as an introduction to the racial tensions in the world) under a single banner and ideologies are experienced by both races and several characters (Yarpin, Philippa, Saskia, Iorveth, more).

 

Kaedwen's polity is mentioned, both through dialog and notes, which puts forward the functioning of its feudal society, its oppression against nonhumans and reasoning in wanting the Pontar (economical and strategic), which is further explained by how rather poor Kaedwen (I recall it was mentioned that Pontar alone generates more income than Kaedwen). 

 

Redania's centralization of power in Radovid's quest to establish an absolute monarchy is put into use through him directly and the various events that undergoes in the story, with the Pontar incident being a prominent role which in turn sets the course for the potential establishment of rational-legal systems (e.g. having fully conscripted national armies instead of knights). 

 

And so much more. One requires deep insight in political science and grasp the methodology used to analyse the political situations that undergoes within the game to truly grasp it.  Luckily, KnightofPhoenix has done an astute observation on this, which I consider essential if one wishes to fully grasp the games politics. I recommend reading them.

[Han Shot First]

That's how the mindset works for a lot of people.

 

Medieval fantasy setting? Check. Politics? Check. Nudity? Check. Gore and violence? Check. Dragons? Check.

 

With that comparison I was referring to the awkward statements by the devs on sex in TW3. I love both series, but both the Witcher and HBO's Game of Thrones are fond of gratuitous nudity. It doesn't bother me personally, but it does occasionally make me laugh. Although in defence of The Witcher the series has yet to have a chracter deliver an info dump monologue while in the middle of a sex act. That's an HBO favorite.

 

Disclaimer: The key word in the above is gratuitous, not nudity.

[Chewin]

With that comparison I was referring to the awkward statements by the devs on sex in TW3. I love both series, but both the Witcher and HBO's Game of Thrones are fond of gratuitous nudity. It doesn't bother me personally, but it does occasionally make me laugh. 

 

Disclaimer: The key word in the above is gratuitous, not nudity.

 

I'm aware. I was simply reinforcing the fact that the share similar aspects, which helps further strengthen the fact that people see the two rather identical, which they aren't. 

 

Sure, they share trends like "dark and gritty", with certain levels of exposure regarding sex and such, but what separates them is that The Witcher is unmistakably fantasy, while ASoIaF / GoT is part historical epic and soap opera, with fantasy elements as the engine that drives the series.

 

The tone is also quite different, with Witcher focusing on themes such as 'fate' and underlying belief in an innate goodness, while ASoIaF / GoT in contrast exposes the notions of "good" and "deserving" as lies; the world is shaped by the interests of those who hold the power, by better or worse.

[Red of Rivia]

It seems that the Dark Mode was confirmed in TW3, I have a save here with Kinslayer of The witcher 2, I hope to import it.

[Tensoconix]

It seems that the Dark Mode was confirmed in TW3, I have a save here with Kinslayer of The witcher 2, I hope to import it.

 

It was also confirmed Dark Mode does not grant access to any exclusive items and I was under the impression that item import in general was not present either due to art-style change and balancing difficulty, but that's just my assumption.

[Red of Rivia]

It was also confirmed Dark Mode does not grant access to any exclusive items and I was under the impression that item import in general was not present either due to art-style change and balancing difficulty, but that's just my assumption.

What a pity :c

[slimgrin]

 

 

A summary of the plot. Invariably, you get a sense of the underlying politics. They did a pretty good job here.

[Seraphim24]

Simple, it is not putting one's attention to simply the intrigues of the show, but also the games domestic, regional and global levels that are explored (through different means, mostly through dialog with side and minor characters that helps flesh out these aspects).

 

The conflict revolving the Pontar Valley is the most prominent factor where these aspects are at play, and it requires one to do both playthroughs to properly grasp the situation that takes place within the game. Just to name a few; Saskia's rebellion and ambition of establishing Pontar Valley as an egalitarian meritocratic state, is proto-nationalism at its finest which delves into the racial segregation, economics, revolution and unification of the dwarves and elves (Flotsam can be seen as an introduction to the racial tensions in the world) under a single banner and ideologies are experienced by both races and several characters (Yarpin, Philippa, Saskia, Iorveth, more).

 

Kaedwen's polity is mentioned, both through dialog and notes, which puts forward the functioning of its feudal society, its oppression against nonhumans and reasoning in wanting the Pontar (economical and strategic), which is further explained by how rather poor Kaedwen (I recall it was mentioned that Pontar alone generates more income than Kaedwen). 

 

Redania's centralization of power in Radovid's quest to establish an absolute monarchy is put into use through him directly and the various events that undergoes in the story, with the Pontar incident being a prominent role which in turn sets the course for the potential establishment of rational-legal systems (e.g. having fully conscripted national armies instead of knights). 

 

And so much more. One requires deep insight in political science and grasp the methodology used to analyse the political situations that undergoes within the game to truly grasp it.  Luckily, KnightofPhoenix has done an astute observation on this, which I consider essential if one wishes to fully grasp the games politics. I recommend reading them.

 

How does it make you feel though?

[Paragon Gabriel]

Edit: ???Interesting. I've never seen that claim about the series before.

They are quite prominenta with the characters in the books. TW1 and TW3 also delves more into this. TW2 wasn't that much.

[Tensoconix]

 I haven't played Iorveth's path so I know very little about Saskia and her motivations. 

 

That means you haven't even finished the game once. 

[Chewin]

 
???

Interesting. I've never seen that claim about the series before.

 

In reference to the people of the universe that generally offers hope for a better future no matter how much they go about screwing things up in the present. As Paragon stated, mostly featured in the books but it appears in the games as well.

 

How does it make you feel though?

 

Pretty great actually. There exist very few series (which I've seen) that manages to capture a rather realistic portrayal on conflicts on such a scale with so many causes and aspects in play. There's a lot to appreciate and something that made me want to replay the game several times, as in the topics interested me.

[Chewin]

Ok, this one is rather cool.

 

[nici2412]

Talking about fan artwork. This one is amazing:

[Chewin]

There definitely exists some beautiful artworks, both official and unofficial ones. Can't wait to get my hands on the artbook that comes with the CE!

[Zekka]

anyone else here find the witcher games to be a tad bit easy?

[slimgrin]

Saskia is the clear cut altruistic character in TW2 and I'm sure it's by design. Ironically, she refuses to use her dragon form to settle matters at Vergen, meaning a lot of people die so she can present herself as a human leader. Triss is close to being innately good as well, a schemer sure, but in TW2 she comes around. Cedric sacrificed himself for Triss and for Geralt's cause. There aren't many, but the 'good' characters are there.

[spirosz]

Saskia is one of my favourites from the series actually.  

[Seraphim24]

Yeah you kind of missed out big time there IMO

 

 

 

anyone else here find the witcher games to be a tad bit easy?

 

I can safely say that as far as insane difficulty goes (which I attempted a few times), that answer is no.

[Seboist]

 

 

Can you give an example? The closest I can think of is Foltest talking about his bastard at the beginning of TW2 (I genuinely cannot think of anyone portrayed as "offering hope for the future" except maaaaaybe Geralt, and that's stretching it), and I'm thinking of Berengar, Triss, Abigail, Zoltan, Dandalion, the scientist guy you help in Act 2--maybe Siegfried. Maybe.

 

Siegfried is a good man through and through. One thing that makes him very endearing (and ultimately my fave character of the games) is how he starts off being such a naive and idealistic "Paragon" boy scout  in such a grimdark setting.

 

and who could forget this?