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[Giantdeathrobot]

Why do you keep thinking I have anything against CDPR or what they're doing? Where have I said I think they're in the wrong?

I just find it amusing when the company so many felate so furiously as being different is not so different after all.

 

Yes, that's what I get out of it too. I'm not surprised; CDPR is a company, not my friends, companies need to make money, and that means charging for content if it takes time and money for them to produce. So long as the base game doesn't lack content (and I doubt it will), I don't have a problem with that. I certainly don't expect them, or anyone else, to produce expansion-like content and give it away like a charity.

 

Seems like those who do have a problem, are people who put the company on a gigantic pedestal as absolute saints of gaming that shower the poor, downtrodden, EA-oppressed masses with their blessing for free or somesuch. A mostly complete and total fiction, in other words. The Enhanced Editions were very nice pieces of content, don't get me wrong, but they weren't 30$ worth of content, especially in TW2 where it only pruned up Act 3 and added a few cutscenes. The company doesn't have a history of giving 10-20 hours worth of content for free at all.

 

What I do find kinda hilarious is that CDPR's PR says ''Oh, don't worry, we're still good guys, here, we recommend you don't pre-order the pass and play the game first!... But we're still going to put it up for sale now, just in case. Because we're nice.'' Yeah, sure, keep up the appearances.

 

I'm still going to buy the game, mind you. But the fuss over this is as silly as it is predictable.

[TheChris92]

Isn't that exactly what they did as well??? As far as I'm aware, TW2's Enhanced Edition was a free upgrade for everyone who had purchased the regular game.

The largest issue is more or less when they self-righteously declare themselves above other publishers, with the whole concept of free DLC, even though said DLC amounts to little else but a few patch notes and clothing items that don't add all that much and it's not really something they alone have done before.
The point was more or less that they aren't above or below any other publishers, they'll resort to the tired DLC practices of today, and vaguely try to hide behind the usual platitudes which is all well and nice right until they start making money just like everyone else.
Because, in the end, neither Witcher 1 or 2 needed a re-release, now did it? Unless of course CDP is just doing it as a marketing stunt which is fine, everybody else would do it, but it basically just shows they aren't any different from anyone else. They want to make money too.

[Chewin]

Rather interesting how fans seem to ignore CDPR's statement regarding their policy when it comes to full blown expansions, which they have stated already way back in 2011 that if the create DLCs on a more "larger scale" then they would require payment for them.

 

Of course, they mostly have shot themselves in the foot with their emphasis on the 16 Free DLCs as their "slogan" for TW3, in addition to fans having a certain urgency to constantly glorify the company and compare it above others with their "free DLC policy". Eh, matters little. People will whine and continue to do so, even if they have to be reminded that CDPR is a company and not a charity (I recall that they've had some financial issues on several occasions along the years, and while I can't state that their business model would be sole reason to it, since it's mere speculation on my part, I wouldn't however be surprised if it has played some role).

 

Anyway, I'm getting 30 hours of content worth for 25 bucks. I'm more than happy with it myself.

[Nattfare]

(I recall that they've had some financial issues on several occasions along the years, and while I can't state that their business model would be sole reason to it, since it's mere speculation on my part, I wouldn't however be surprised if it has played some role)

They were running low on money when they were working on making the first Witcher for consoles too. They had to choose between finishing the ports with the rest of their money or throw what money they had left on the second game.

I guess they made the right choice in the end.

[Nordicus]

CDP isn't below or above any other publisher -- They aren't your friends here to look out for you, they want to make money just like any other publisher, which incidentally means they'll also adhere to the modern money grubbing practices when it's convenient for them.

I don't think there's razor sharp dichotomy between "your friend" and "moneygrubber". There is a middle ground of savvy business where the customer doesn't leave with a "Kick me" sign on their back, and CDProjekt lands on that middleground more often than not.

Just last week GOG let you register your STALKER copies there for no charge. What's the benefit? Brownie points. The implementation didn't cost them very much and probably didn't lose them many sales either. And of course there is the long term goal of getting more and more players really invested in the platform as a Steam alternative.

They might be motivated by money all the same, but I appreciate when a shop owner at least gives enough of a f*** to clean their shop/image whether it's busy or empty.

Modifié par Nordicus, 08 avril 2015 - 03:26 .

[TheChris92]

I don't think there's razor sharp dichotomy between "your friend" and "moneygrubber". There is a middle ground of savvy business where the customer doesn't leave with a "Kick me" sign on their back, and CDProjekt lands on that middleground more often than not.

Just last week GOG let you register your STALKER copies there for no charge. What's the benefit? Brownie points. The implementation didn't cost them very much and probably didn't lose them many sales either. And of course there is the long term goal of getting more and more players really invested in the platform as a Steam alternative.

They might be motivated by money all the same, but I appreciate when a company at least gives enough of a f*** to clean their shop whether it's busy or empty.

I don't think you really got the point, who's crying foul for CDProjekt here? No one is, except those naive people whining about the expansion pack thing. I could defend Atlus Japan for the exact same reasons, yet still realize that as soon as they start making money then they aren't above adhering to shabby DLC practices, like announcing expansion packs long before release, or other such things. The good thing about the game industry is that there are a lot of good developers, making good games, so if one fails then there's another who might succeed. It all relates to this weird defending obsession people have with their respective consoles, or favorite developers. Anyway, the free DLC, the pretense of the Enhanced Edition, it's good marketing. When I say they aren't your friends, I mean really.. they aren't your friends, they aren't looking out for what exactly "that customers" needs is and how we can accomodate, they are a business wanting to earn money. And if that means adhering to the same practices as pretty much anybody else out there, then they'll do it at their convenience. They aren't better or any worse than the other guy. Kthxbai.

[nici2412]

I don't think you really got the point, who's crying foul for CDProjekt here? No one is, except that naive people obviously. I could defend Atlus Japan for the exact same reasons, yet still realize that as soon as they start making money then they aren't above adhering to shabby DLC practices or other such things. The good thing about the game industry is that there are a lot of good developers, making good games, so if one fails then there's another who might succeed. It all relates to this weird defending obsession people have with their respective consoles, or favorite developers. Anyway, the free DLC, the pretense of the Enhanced Edition, it's good marketing. When I say they aren't your friends, I mean really.. they aren't your friends, they aren't looking out for what exactly "that customers" needs is and how we can accomodate, they are a business wanting to earn money. And if that means adhering to the same practices as pretty much anybody else out there, then they'll do it at their convenience. They aren't better or any worse than the other guy. Kthxbai.

So because they are charging 25$ for 30+ hours of content coming out 5 months and 9-12 months after the game releases they are now "like everyone else" with DRM, day 1 dlc, exclusive content, preorder bonuses and so on? Especially because they didn't do anything, they haven't said before. They didn't change their approach towards dlc. They always said they will not charge for small stuff, that's why we have 16 free dlc and if a bigger addon will be released we will have to pay. So I really don't see the problem some people have. Cut content maybe? Unlikely considering the game will have probably 200 hours of content and they delayed it 2 times. Peole are overreacting because now they see the chance to ****** about CD Project Red, that's all.

 

https://www.cdprojek...y_-_English.pdf(accessible for everyone)

Business plan from early 2013 - page 8:  "two midrange releases (ca 20 hours of gameplay) based on one of the studios' core franchises"

 

Kotaku article from middle 2014 http://tmi.kotaku.co...ight-1595359101

"However, if we do a big adventure—say, 15 or 20 hours long, a very high production value story extension to the game—then we will probably charge for that."

https://www.cdprojek...y_-_English.pdf

So yes imo they are better than almost every other company and I think people should do some research before they start to whine about everything. Because that just makes them look stupid.

[TheChris92]

So because they are charging 25$ for 30+ hours of content coming out 5 months and 9-12 months after the game releases they are now "like everyone else" with DRM, day 1 dlc, exclusive content, preorder bonuses and so on? Especially because they didn't do anything, they haven't said before

Nah, nah, nah, see now you're starting to sound like the other guy. They've never been above or even below any other publisher before or after that announcement. I was pretty sure I made that clear at least two posts ago?
 

So yes imo they are better than almost every other company and I think people should do some research before they start to whine about everything. Because that just makes them look stupid.

Oh, you're certainly allowed to think that way. Let me know how that mindset is working out for you some time
How about taking your own advice before jumping to preconceived conclusions yourself, hmm? It tends to prevent unnecessary animosity between strangers, I hear.

[CrazyRah]

Rather interesting how fans seem to ignore CDPR's statement regarding their policy when it comes to full blown expansions, which they have stated already way back in 2011 that if the create DLCs on a more "larger scale" then they would require payment for them.

 

Of course, they mostly have shot themselves in the foot with their emphasis on the 16 Free DLCs as their "slogan" for TW3, in addition to fans having a certain urgency to constantly glorify the company and compare it above others with their "free DLC policy". Eh, matters little. People will whine and continue to do so, even if they have to be reminded that CDPR is a company and not a charity (I recall that they've had some financial issues on several occasions along the years, and while I can't state that their business model would be sole reason to it, since it's mere speculation on my part, I wouldn't however be surprised if it has played some role).

 

Anyway, I'm getting 30 hours of content worth for 25 bucks. I'm more than happy with it myself.

 

Given how often I'm asked to pay 15 bucks for 2-3 hours of content that's a bargain!

[Chuvvy]

By the face of Geralt, yes.

 

Yeah, everything seemed a little too buddy buddy in those 15 minutes. I wouldn't mind if characters had the potential to die, but I would rather they weren't forced to die.

[In Exile]

You just seem rather excited to see a storm of rage. Which will most likely happen. You also keep making comments like the one right here about people "felating" them (charming btw).

Oh, I am looking forward to the rage. But it's more because I found those fans who put CPDR on this ridiculous moral pedestal incredibly obnoxious. So to see then have to deal with the cognitive dissonance of it all is pretty funny.

I feel badly for CDPR in that they're a good company overall (despite their love of potshots at other developers, which I think is in poor taste) who doesn't deserve the negative publicity when overall they've done a lot of hugely consumer friendly things.

[Red of Rivia]

Yeah, everything seemed a little too buddy buddy in those 15 minutes. I wouldn't mind if characters had the potential to die, but I would rather they weren't forced to die.

It will be a shame if Vesemir die and if he died the Witchers will be extinct, In the books makes it clear that none of the Wolf School witchers want to continue the order. .

[Han Shot First]

Yeah, everything seemed a little too buddy buddy in those 15 minutes. I wouldn't mind if characters had the potential to die, but I would rather they weren't forced to die.

 

I'm okay with scripted deaths. If it is an awesome character like Vesemir however, I just hope that scripted death occurs late in the game. 

[In Exile]

I'm okay with scripted deaths. If it is an awesome character like Vesemir however, I just hope that scripted death occurs late in the game.

I actually prefer early deaths. And ideally a bit senseless. It fits TW better as a setting that doesn't adhere to these heroic fiction tropes. Vesemir just gets an arrow through the throat at an inopportune moment: life is crap like that sometimes.

[Han Shot First]

I actually prefer early deaths. And ideally a bit senseless. It fits TW better as a setting that doesn't adhere to these heroic fiction tropes. Vesemir just gets an arrow through the throat at an inopportune moment: life is crap like that sometimes.

 

I'm okay with it being random. I just want him to get a lot of time on screen before he dies, because I like the character.

[In Exile]

I'm okay with it being random. I just want him to get a lot of time on screen before he dies, because I like the character.

Oh, I get what you mean. I'm with you on that point.

[Blooddrunk1004]

Is anyone else worried they'll kill of Vesemir to kick off the events of TW3?

To kick events? Hell no, that's what Bioware does with every game. I really doubt they would bring Vesemir back just to kill him off immediately

I would hate if they would go with "father-mentor-teacher must die because reasons" since that is pretty much what Vesemir is to Geralt.

 

How he asks him if he's alright when he wakes up, asking him personal questions, Geralt getting annoyed by him. But as soon as griffin hurts him and the way Geralt looks at him, you can clearly see he cares for the old man a lot, especially when he says that he should clean his wound and of course Vesemir being badass saying it's just a scratch. It's only 10 min and character development is already strong between the two

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

Is anyone else worried they'll kill of Vesemir to kick off the events of TW3?

 

I've had a hunch about this for a while now. Not sure if they'll do it or not. 

 

I don't think it'd be early in the game if it happens, though. Everyone will probably know Geralt's bond with the Kaer Morhen Witchers are all pretty strong, be it from the books or just implication in-game; Eskel is basically Geralt's brother, Vesemir his father figure...but as far as the game is concerned, they've only appeared briefly in the intro to the first game before now. They'd have to build them up more if they want a punch. 

[Chuvvy]

I'm okay with scripted deaths. If it is an awesome character like Vesemir however, I just hope that scripted death occurs late in the game. 

 

It just feels odd to me having them kill off a character unavoidably when it's a character from the books. I know the author has said he doesn't personally view the games as canon, though he likes the story they tell. But still.

[Chuvvy]

I've had a hunch about this for a while now. Not sure if they'll do it or not. 

 

I don't think it'd be early in the game if it happens, though. Everyone will probably know Geralt's bond with the Kaer Morhen Witchers are all pretty strong, be it from the books or just implication in-game; Eskel is basically Geralt's brother, Vesemir his father figure...but as far as the game is concerned, they've only appeared briefly in the intro to the first game before now. They'd have to build them up more if they want a punch. 

 

Speaking of establishing relationships with characters that Geralt already has. I'm seriously curious how they're going to make Yen seem appealing over Triss, Yen is the definition of an aquired taste, and Triss has been around for two games now. Obviously book Geralt would pick Yen, but I think most players will be more inclined to pick Triss.

 

Also I'm curious how they're going to establish Ciri as a daughter figure. I assume the bulk of new comers will have heard of the witcher and the GoT levels of sex in it and assume you can sleep with her.

[hangmans tree]

Isn't that exactly what they did as well??? As far as I'm aware, TW2's Enhanced Edition was a free upgrade for everyone who had purchased the regular game.

Yes, they did.

 

I'm kinda pissed off how some take statements out of context or, blatantly, take part of a sentence, not the whole "quote" and point a finger of blame...

 

25$ for 30 HOURS of new adventures, in the second case a WHOLE NEW LOCATION: Tussaint.

How much was Order 1886? How long was new COD game ('bout that, it seems now-days campaigns are merely a lengthy tutorial to prepare you for MP)? New DAI DLC? What, 5 hours for $15? So, gamers are ok with all that crap but ****** about REDs expansions being paid content... I am lost for words.

FOR FUCKS SAKE! There's no pleasing some people... or maybe its a smear campaign started by paid individuals - stirring dissent around on various comment sections and forums?

[Nerevar-as]

So they'll make us pay for big DLCs?

 

So what?

 

Knowing CDPR they'll be around the level of a Bloodmoon Expansion from Morrowind so it's cool.

They were called expansions, now they are mostly mythical creatures of a past time found in very few places.