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[Humakt83]

Cerberus had access to both Rachni and Thorian test subjects. They even assassinated high ranking Alliance official who knew it was coming to him. If those don't prove organization's reach and capabilities then nothing would. And since you people haven't obviously got the memo yet, Foundation series are centered around ex-Cerberus agent and her work about gathering information for "dirty dozen" aka Shepard's future crew. Of course it is going to have Cerberus in it.....

 

 

I love how the cerberus logo is absolutely everywhere. Secret organisation my arse.

I wonder which part of the meu this comic is going to **** on this time. The obsession with crowbarring cerberus and the other characters into every single little thing is monumentally idiotic and just serves to reduce the size, scope and believability of the universe even more.

That ship that exploded? Cerberus. Run out of coffee? Cerberus. Genophage? Cerberus! The reapers? Cerberus! Shepards parents? Cerberus!

And people moan about liara being forced into places. She's got nothing on good old TIM and arse shot girl.

 

 

Why don't you whine about Shepard getting "shoehorned" into everything? Or is it ok since he is your alter ego in MEU?

[Steelcan]

and Miranda's eye color is still wrong

[dreamgazer]

A reminder of where Karpyshyn took Cerberus after ME1.  Not so gray, not so small.

[von uber]

Why don't you whine about Shepard getting "shoehorned" into everything? Or is it ok since he is your alter ego in MEU?

I love how people use the word 'whine' about personal opinions in an attempt to end discussion.

Anyway, your example regards shepard is a bit ridiculous given that they are the protagonist. But hey, more cerberus for everyone as it's not creatively bankrupt at all.

[Iakus]

This looks intense. Cerberus members are being gunned down by their own stuff.

 

That has never happened before.

Cerberus is so incompetent they must lose at least three agents each time they change the filter of the break room's coffeemaker.

[dreamgazer]

Cerberus is so incompetent they must lose at least three agents each time they change the filter of the break room's coffeemaker.

 

If that's true, then the Cerberus-branded mugs seem like an even bigger waste of resources. 

[KaiserShep]

It's to funny now Ceburse has become the Mary Sue of villains thanks Hack Walters.

 

I don't think it's necessary to insult the writers as we criticize their work.

[ImaginaryMatter]

I think this little comic is applicable:

 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

A reminder of where Karpyshyn took Cerberus after ME1.  Not so gray, not so small.

 

That doesn't fly much anymore, since Drew hasn't been with BW since ME2 came out. Anything about Cerberus portrayals afterwords is not on him. 

 

Depends on how you want to look at their actions on whether they're grey or not.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

and Miranda's eye color is still wrong

 

I'd say it's a coloring thing, maybe with the lighting. 

 

I think they're more greyish here, but it beats the brown that others have been making it. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Granted, I've been semi on the fence with these. I like how they're actually portraying Miranda.

 

Then again, SuperMac did introduce a really crummy plot development by having Miranda aware of the clone (even after she told Shepard otherwise concerning its existence), basically retconning her to lie for no reason at all, as I've pointed out in the past.

[dreamgazer]

That doesn't fly much anymore, since Drew hasn't been with BW since ME2 came out. Anything about Cerberus portrayals afterwords is not on him. 

 

True, but that wasn't the point.  Karpyshyn was the one who led Cerberus down the path to a drastic escalation in size and significance in the first place.

[dreamgazer]

Not really. He upgraded them from what they were in ME2, which is alright since they weren't really well-defined in ME1 to begin with. He might have opened the door a bit, but it's Hack who's grabbed that ball and ran with it.

 

I don't really agree.  Well, I agree that Walters grabbed the ball and ran with it, but not that Karpyshyn just "opened the door a bit".  

 

Drew inflated the ball in the first place.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I don't really agree.  Well, I agree that Walters grabbed the ball and ran with it, but not that Karpyshyn just "opened the door a bit".  

 

Drew inflated the ball in the first place.

 

He did, but he didn't take it to grossly over-inflated and make them so egregiously pervasive throughout the franchise.

 

There's a difference between inflating the ball, and blowing it up with so much air that it explodes and pieces get tattered all over the beach.

[dreamgazer]

He did, but he didn't take it to grossly over-inflated and make them so egregiously pervasive throughout the franchise.

 

He used a gap-bridging novel to buff their size from a small black-ops group to what they are in ME2.  That's pretty significant, and it's made obvious in ME2 and its DLC that Cerberus already was pervasive, at least to a degree.

 

Best way to avoid this? Not aggrandize Cerberus in the first place. 

[spirosz]

Someone make that second last panel a meme.

 

[von uber]

He used a gap-bridging novel to buff their size from a small black-ops group to what they are in ME2.  That's pretty significant, and it's made obvious in ME2 and its DLC that Cerberus already was pervasive, at least to a degree.

 

Which is fine if you have read the novel. If you haven't (which I assume is the vast majority of players) it's just a complete load of 'what-the-hell-ery'.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

He used a gap-bridging novel to buff their size from a small black-ops group to what they are in ME2.  That's pretty significant, and it's made obvious in ME2 and its DLC that Cerberus already was pervasive, at least to a degree.

 

Best way to avoid this? Not aggrandize Cerberus in the first place. 

 

The thing is, there's certainly a difference in how that change takes place in the series. Going from ME1 to ME2, it's not necessarily a tremendous shake-up. From ME2 to ME3 and beyond, that's when it starts getting more and more hairy. There is definitely a difference between bulking up and aggrandizing.

 

That's why I disagree with not making Cerberus larger in the first place. The best way to avoid the problem you postulate is to not overly-aggrandize Cerberus, not completely cut them out.

 

You can make them larger without making them pervasive to society as some kind of shadow superpower. Drew did the first part. Mac did the second. Drew was gone by the time ME2 was released, so you really can't blame anything that came after on him, or how he chose to bulk up Cerberus. 

[dreamgazer]

The thing is, there's certainly a difference in how that change takes place in the series. Going from ME1 to ME2, it's not necessarily a tremendous shake-up. From ME2 to ME3 and beyond, that's when it starts getting more and more hairy. There is definitely a difference between bulking up and aggrandizing.

Probably isn't worth discussing much further if I don't agree with the bold, because it definitely is a significant "shake-up".
 

You can make them larger without making them pervasive to society as some kind of shadow superpower. Drew did the first part. Mac did the second. Drew was gone by the time ME2 was released, so you really can't blame anything that came after on him, or how he chose to bulk up Cerberus.

... uh, what about Retribution?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Probably isn't worth discussing much further if I don't agree with the bold, because it definitely is a significant "shake-up".
 

... uh, what about Retribution?

 

Probably not then. As I said, it's bulking up, not overly-aggrandizing.

 

And Retribution really didn't bulk up much either. Especially considering how ME3 all but ignored everything that happened in it. It leads me to believe that the novels  (or at least Retribution and Deception) are really only semi-canon.

[von uber]

The problem with Cerberus being the size it is is that given the limited nature of both human expansion and numbers, there would be too much of a visible paper trail for the Alliance or whomever to follow to enable them to be secret.

Building massive spacestations and ships would not be something that would go unnoticed, even given the size of space. Materials, ships, personnel all need to be moved through gates to systems.

Hell, in the UK we can't even get out top military from accidentally leaving laptops full of sensitive information on trains for people to find.

[dreamgazer]

And Retribution really didn't bulk up much either. Especially considering how ME3 all but ignored everything that happened in it. It leads me to believe that the novels  (or at least Retribution and Deception) are really only semi-canon.

 

Eh, I dunno, quite a bit from Retribution was canonized in ME3.  

 

But yeah, ME's extended universe has always been more about bulletpoint events instead of ironclad canon.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Eh, I dunno, quite a bit from Retribution was canonized in ME3.  

 

But yeah, ME's extended universe has always been more about bulletpoint events instead of ironclad canon.

 

I exaggerated on that bit, I admit.

 

But yes, going from the time that was given in Retribution and syncing it with ME3 (and the comics), you have TIM going from losing much of the organization to Turian strikes, to coming up with an armada that is comparable to an alliance fleet in a matter of days.

[Obadiah]

I thought the Cerberus logo was the logo of a front company (like Exxon or Shell...).

[Display Name Owner]

I thought the Cerberus logo was the logo of a front company (like Exxon or Shell...).

 

They'd be using it very unwisely if it were.