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[jtav]

Mostly, now I'd like to see a serious clone story with Miranda on the team, given how she and Rasa tear into each other. I don't think her character was assassinated, though.

[Philosophaster]

Miranda's competence took a hit over the course of the comics if you take into account what happens in the games. It was bad enough to have Wilson's betrayal slip by her notice, but to have that be the second time on her watch that someone hacked security and killed a large number of staff on the Lazarus Project? You would think after the clone was stolen that they would reconsider the security arrangements.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

Miranda's competence took a hit over the course of the comics if you take into account what happens in the games. It was bad enough to have Wilson's betrayal slip by her notice, but to have that be the second time on her watch that someone hacked security and killed a large number of staff on the Lazarus Project? You'd think after the clone was stolen that they would reconsider the security arrangements.

 

That would be Jacob's responsibility. While Miranda is in charge of the overall operation, a failure or breach in security, especially when Miranda is occupied with her other duties as the leader of the Project, is the responsibility of the chief security officer.

 

Also, whose to say that they didn't reconfigure security in light of the incident?

 

That said, it's all just SuperMac retconning and throwing stuff in.

[Remix-General Aetius]

told ya the comics suck.

[Philosophaster]

@Hello!I'mTheDoctor:

 

I figure that they would have scaled back the mechs in favor of more regular uniformed security in case there was another hacking attempt. Instead, they seemingly depended on an even greater number of mechs which were ultimately hacked as well. Jacob doesn't seem to have been involved as chief security officer for the Lazarus Project at the time of the clone theft, so he may very well have been intended to improve on his unnamed predecessor.

 

I am aware that there is a degree of story and gameplay segregation involved; the developers needing low-level enemies for the tutorial stage of ME2 after all. That said, the two colossal breaches in security of such a high-priority undertaking do not reflect well on the organization. Sorry, I know you are one of the biggest Cerberus proponents. 

 

Then again, I agree with your last statement that these comics were written in such a way that they are consistent unto themselves, but not all that consistent with the continuity of the games.

[KrrKs]

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That said, the two colossal breaches in security of such a high-priority undertaking do not reflect well on the organization.

Well, nothing really does.

Pretty much everything Cerberus has ever done has lead to dead cerberus- members, one way or another...

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

@Hello!I'mTheDoctor:

 

I figure that they would have scaled back the mechs in favor of more regular uniformed security in case there was another hacking attempt. Instead, they seemingly depended on an even greater number of mechs which were ultimately hacked as well. Jacob doesn't seem to have been involved as Chief Security Officer for the Lazarus Project at the time of the clone theft, so he may very well have been intended to improve on his unnamed predecessor.

 

I am aware that there is a degree of story and gameplay segregation involved; the developers needing low-level enemies for the tutorial stage of ME2 after all. That said, the two colossal breaches in security of such a high-priority undertaking do not reflect well on the organization. Sorry, I know you are one of the biggest Cerberus proponents. 

 

Then again, I agree with your last statement that these comics were written in such a way that they are consistent unto themselves, but not all that consistent with the continuity of the games.

 

Colossal security breaches happen everywhere. Especially when it's a disgruntled employee looking to cause the problems. Scaling back the mechs and electronic security doesn't make a project more secure. It just makes it less vulnerable to one level of intrusion/sabotage/etc. while becoming more vulnerable to another. Besides, changing information and electronic security would be relatively simple to do and would require a physical hardware change and tampering to work on mechs a second time. A padded, insular network would probably be added to the next mechs, with an even greater number of security changes and rotational codes that could change key configuration by the hour. Someone with a lot of clout and knowledge would be able to pull that off, but only with a lot of planning and a lot of patience. The first case, Brooks, was practically unhinged, owing to a mental breakdown over the events of the comics, and Wilson was jaded by his work and seeming lack of respect from Miranda. Not to mention being a Shadow Broker informant, something that is relatively difficult to overcome intrusion by.

[Steelcan]

That's a bit misleading cover. Kai Leng wasn't even in this issue. I feel sorry for all his fans.

lol that's a good one

[Obadiah]

I read somewhere that Wilson was working for the Shadow Broker. Its probably extremely difficult to defend against an organization like that. Plus, for the Shadow Broker, humiliating Cerberus by defeating their security in the same way that Rasa did is just icing on the cake.

[Philosophaster]

@Hello!I'mTheDoctor:

 

True enough. I never said that scaling back the number of mechs was supposed to happen without a counterbalancing increase in other security measures. While scaling back the mechs alone does not make a project more secure, increasing their number and having them serve as essentially the sole source of physical security certainly did not help. 

 

I suppose the security breach seen in ME2 was inevitable anyway. Even if they had decreased the number of mechs and increased uniformed security, you know the plot would have dictated that a substantial amount of said security personnel end up with Shadow Broker affiliations in addition to Wilson.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

I read somewhere that Wilson was working for the Shadow Broker. Its probably extremely difficult to defend against an organization like that. Plus, for the Shadow Broker, humiliating Cerberus by defeating their security in the same way that Rasa did is just icing on the cake.

 

Technically, it backfired, since Wilson was killed and his objective failed. Can't really say what his plan for sure was, but I'd wager it was 'kill Shepard' and give his body to the Broker to be handed over to the Collectors. He failed in this, and Cerberus got the last laugh by providing the information that was used by Shepard to take the Broker down. Granted, I'd have preferred an alliance between both the Broker and Cerberus (and headcanon for me has Shepard's renewed Cerberus incorporating all of the Broker's assets into his organization).

 

Meanwhile, Brooks (I refuse to call her Rasa since it's a stupid name) managed to get the clone out. Then what? She didn't do much with her plan beyond a rather low-key and pathetic plan to take over Shepard's life and abilities. She didn't really do a whole lot. It was rather ineffectual in the long run.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

@Hello!I'mTheDoctor:

 

True enough. I never said that scaling back the number of mechs was supposed to happen without a counterbalancing increase in other security measures. While scaling back the mechs alone does not make a project more secure, increasing their number and having them serve as essentially the sole source of physical security certainly did not help. 

 

I suppose the security breach seen in ME2 was inevitable anyway. Even if they had decreased the number of mechs and increased uniformed security, you know the plot would have dictated that a substantial amount of said security personnel end up with Shadow Broker affiliations in addition to Wilson.

 

Well, I doubt that was Wilson or the Broker's plan to put more bodies in the area. That would definitely draw a lot of suspicion from TIM and Miranda. Increasing uniform security would be easier to dispose of via a toxin, or bioweapon, or sabotage of life support. It's still vulnerable to intrusion.

[wright1978]

http://www.youtube.c...1fLg_FbKDQ#t=33

 

Never knew about the clone.  Never paid Brooks much much huh?     

 

I'm trying to wipe the notion of the comics from my mind and treat them as some embarassing joke AU.#

Otherwise i'd be enraged that they spend so much time character assassinating ME3 Miranda.

[Philosophaster]

@Hello!I'mTheDoctor:

 

You are right; it was never the plan as it was unnecessary. The security mechs proved easy enough to hack and they wiped out everyone with the exception of named plot characters. There was no need for more Shadow Broker personnel on the station in the scenario presented in the game. I was saying that in the hypothetical event that they had decreased mech presence in favor of more uniformed security, the Shadow Broker would have targeted those vulnerabilities as the plot demanded.

 

I am aware that uniformed security has its own vulnerabilities. My point was that it would be wiser to provide a multifaceted security model that would include both mechs and uniformed security in such a manner that should one become compromised by an outside agent there would be a better chance of containing the situation. As it stands in the game, compromise the mechs and the facility's staff is virtually defenseless.

 

I apologize if this seems like caviling. I just wish that the comics had been able to fit more agreeably into the game lore instead of introducing more discrepancies to the MEU.

[Iakus]

I'm trying to wipe the notion of the comics from my mind and treat them as some embarassing joke AU.#

Otherwise i'd be enraged that they spend so much time character assassinating ME3 Miranda.

Hey, I'm just going to pass off Joker's story as another wild tale he used to try and score free drinks.

[Jukaga]

I'm trying to wipe the notion of the comics from my mind and treat them as some embarassing joke AU.#

Otherwise i'd be enraged that they spend so much time character assassinating ME3 Miranda.

Evolution was okay, but Foundation has taken them to new levels of suck.

[wright1978]

Hey, I'm just going to pass off Joker's story as another wild tale he used to try and score free drinks.

Missed joker's tale as I fortunately only dipped in for purchasing start of Miranda debacle. Now torn between relief and desire to see just how bad it is.

[Arcian]

lol that's a good one

In the immortal words of Brick Tamland.

 

 

 

Missed joker's tale as I fortunately only dipped in for purchasing start of Miranda debacle. Now torn between relief and desire to see just how bad it is.

Let me summarize it with the following sentence:

 

Joker pulls and gets away with some crap that would land a real pilot in military prison.

[MisterJB]

[Obadiah]

...apparently, not a Turian military prison. But wasn't it General Out-of-the-box-Victus that saved Joker?

[Arcian]

...apparently, not a Turian military prison. But wasn't it General Out-of-the-box-Victus that saved Joker?

His name was Invectus, yeah.

[MisterJB]

I'm trying to wipe the notion of the comics from my mind and treat them as some embarassing joke AU.#

Otherwise i'd be enraged that they spend so much time character assassinating ME3 Miranda.

At the very least, this issue erased any doubts in my mind.

Shepard now shoots Brooks in the back everytime.

[Jukaga]

At the very least, this issue erased any doubts in my mind.

Shepard now shoots Brooks in the back everytime.

Hell, the first time I heard Joker's 'cleanup crew to the shuttlebay' or whatever that sealed the deal for me. The ****** dies.

[Iakus]

Missed joker's tale as I fortunately only dipped in for purchasing start of Miranda debacle. Now torn between relief and desire to see just how bad it is.

 

He Who Laughs Best

 

ooh, link still works:

 

http://imgur.com/a/n5sSA#0

[jtav]

I'm starting to wonder if I have insanely low standards or something.