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[andy6915]

Those basic combat moments when their lightsabers lock up, and they dodge and parry, and generally look like they're anticipating their opponents and interacting fluidly, I keep hoping somebody will update that idea for modern games. I wish we could see DA get there. The idea that you have to accommodate button mash gameplay (people choosing to disable auto-attack) seriously just gets in the way. DA:I is a beautiful game, but that would take combat to another level visually. Just keep waiting, I guess. 

 

A few people in a thread asked Allen a while back this very thing, about why DA can't use that awesome system so the combat looks much more immersive and involved. This was the response-
 

The biggest problem I had with it in KOTOR is that I never got a chance to see it.  The only time I did was when I was actively choosing to NOT use a special ability, which was typically a poor decision in combat.  Moves like Flurry, Power Attack, and so forth didn't have these types of combats.
 
It also, in my opinion, didn't work all that well with the timed round system of combat based on d20 rules.  I would see hits for and against that weren't being visibly represented because my attack roll was occurring while my opponent's attack animation was still going on.
 
I do agree that it looked cool (I also liked the excess blaster fire shots.  I felt those worked a bit better most of the time), but in terms of feedback as a game player I ended up having to focus on the damage numbers to have a clearer understanding of the combat results.
 
 
I wouldn't say that it has anything to do with game resources.  We could do them (I believe they were tried in early builds of SWTOR too).  It's more of a playability issue (is this fun) than a "is it possible to do this" issue.j

 
I then said that while that's great for technical gamers, I don't care about exact damage numbers and prefer combat to look better. Didn't get a response to that. But yeah, I agree that DA would greatly benefit from KotOR canned animations. Yeah they got a little old after a while, but not as old as DA's even more canned animations do.

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You also only saw the lightsabers lock up in combat if you ONLY auto-attacked in every single fight. If you used any other abilities instead you would use an attack animation that the enemies never interacted with and vice versa. It's nice, but why waste the resources on it if it's not going to be used much?

Just like you only ever saw execution finishers in DAO when auto attacking? It would still make things cooler.

[Schreckstoff]

 

A few people in a thread asked Allen a while back this very thing, about why DA can't use that awesome system so the combat looks much more immersive and involved. This was the response-
 

 

I then said that while that's great for technical gamers, I don't care about exact damage numbers and prefer combat to look better. Didn't get a response to that. But yeah, I agree that DA would greatly benefit from KotOR canned animations. Yeah they got a little old after a while, but not as old as DA's even more canned animations do.

How would it supposed to be working sword vs axe, axe vs dagger, staff vs. sword, greatsword vs greataxe, etc., not to mention everything vs. Bow. 

[andy6915]

How would it supposed to be working sword vs axe, axe vs dagger, staff vs. sword, greatsword vs greataxe, etc., not to mention everything vs. Bow. 

I don't know, I'm not a game developer. That's not my job to figure out, and it's not their job to do a request from a fan. Just wish they would.

[Heimdall]

I don't know, I'm not a game developer. That's not my job to figure out, and it's not their job to do a request from a fan. Just wish they would.

That most certainly is not their "job"

[andy6915]

That most certainly is not their "job"

Isn't that what I said?

[Aaleel]

What art style would you like then?

 

All combat animations are over the top, they were even over the top in Origins despite being dull and unrealistically slow. Cutting someone's head off with a dagger anyone? This doesn't even get into the whole archery being static even with the abilities.

 

 

Something a little more gritty and little more serious.  The art style DA has gone to is too kiddie to me, every time I look at DA:I it looks like a kids animated movie to me.  You're trying to tell a dark fantasy story, but you have this kiddie art style.

 

This looks like an add for DA:I figures, and someone just placed the toys in the backyard.

 

 

And I know people love Sera but this just looks like kids' animated movie to me.

 

 

As far as the animations pillars of rock flying up on axe strikes, clouds of mist popping out after ranged attacks, it's just too much stuff going on in the screen.  It's like they added flashy elements just for the sake of flash.

 

And one thing I didn't say in my last post, games with multiple races is one reason a voiced protagonist doesn't always work for me.  That voice doesn't fit that Qunari at all.

[Schreckstoff]

Something a little more gritty and little more serious. The art style DA has gone to is too kiddie to me, every time I look at DA:I it looks like a kids animated movie to me. You're trying to tell a dark fantasy story, but you have this kiddie art style.

This looks like an add for DA:I figures, and someone just placed the toys in the backyard.



And I know people love Sera but this just looks like kids' animated movie to me.



As far as the animations pillars of rock flying up on axe strikes, clouds of mist popping out after ranged attacks, it's just too much stuff going on in the screen. It's like they added flashy elements just for the sake of flash.

And one thing I didn't say in my last post, games with multiple races is one reason a voiced protagonist doesn't always work for me. That voice doesn't fit that Qunari at all.

Why does everything have to be dark and gritty, don't people get tired of all the grey, brown and sickly green?

A colorful world doesn't stop anyone from writing a Dark story.

For instance Sword of Truth has a rather bright setting with a beautiful world yet like a third of one of the books is spent describing how a whole city got pillaged the citizens humiliated, raped and slaughtered.

[Das Tentakel]

Why does everything have to be dark and gritty, don't people get tired of all the grey, brown and sickly green?

A colorful world doesn't stop anyone from writing a Dark story.

For instance Sword of Truth has a rather bright setting with a beautiful world yet like a third of one of the books is spent describing how a whole city got pillaged the citizens humiliated, raped and slaughtered.

 

I don't think the complaints have anything to do with colour, more with highly variable and mutually clashing levels of stylization and exaggeration.

[Burricho]

Something a little more gritty and little more serious.  The art style DA has gone to is too kiddie to me, every time I look at DA:I it looks like a kids animated movie to me.  You're trying to tell a dark fantasy story, but you have this kiddie art style.

 

This looks like an add for DA:I figures, and someone just placed the toys in the backyard.

 

 

And I know people love Sera but this just looks like kids' animated movie to me.

 

 

As far as the animations pillars of rock flying up on axe strikes, clouds of mist popping out after ranged attacks, it's just too much stuff going on in the screen.  It's like they added flashy elements just for the sake of flash.

 

And one thing I didn't say in my last post, games with multiple races is one reason a voiced protagonist doesn't always work for me.  That voice doesn't fit that Qunari at all.

There are two different VA's. Sera is covered in blood in taht screen shot. Very kiddie.

I personally am fine with art style, and like the reasonably flashy effects.

[TurretSyndrome]

There is a difference between the use of the palette and art style. The person was talking about the art style, which could've been better in my opinion.

[Burricho]

Meh, that's your opinion, fine. I don't think you can judge the Qunari VA thing until you have heard the other Va however.

[JobacNoor]

Since when does somebody being tall or having horns dictate what their voice sounds like?

[Schreckstoff]

Since when does somebody being tall or having horns dictate what their voice sounds like?

Well due to bigger respiratory organs tall people have lower than average voices in general but not necessarily.

[Wulfram]

Since when does somebody being tall or having horns dictate what their voice sounds like?

 

http://www.scienceda...31203161543.htm

 

A new study by researchers at Washington University, UCLA, and Indiana University found that listeners can accurately determine the relative heights of speakers just by listening to them talk

 

But it's more complicated than just listening to the depth of the voice, because it's just one component of the voice which depends on height

[Vilegrim]

Why does everything have to be dark and gritty, don't people get tired of all the grey, brown and sickly green?

A colorful world doesn't stop anyone from writing a Dark story.

For instance Sword of Truth has a rather bright setting with a beautiful world yet like a third of one of the books is spent describing how a whole city got pillaged the citizens humiliated, raped and slaughtered.

 

 

was that the city the good guys or the bad guys put to death...I lost track with that series, and couldn't tell team good from team evil after a while.

[Schreckstoff]

was that the city the good guys or the bad guys put to death...I lost track with that series, and couldn't tell team good from team evil after a while.

I think unrelated Kailan just passed through.

I was astonished reading that series. I watched the mediocre TV adoption that was essentially a kids show only to discover that every single book at least one guy tries to rape our female protagonist.

Have yet to finish it though.

[Vilegrim]

I think unrelated Kailan just passed through.

I was astonished reading that series. I watched the mediocre TV adoption that was essentially a kids show only to discover that every single book at least one guy tries to rape our female protagonist.

Have yet to finish it though.

 

 

don't bother after 'Faith of the Fallen' imho.  He doesn't do dark very well, the Prince of Thorns series does it better, because it doesn't cause darkness induced apathy, with Sword of Truth it was when Richard decided that anyone who disagreed with him at all was as bad as Jagang that it lost me.  Tearing down the government fine, deciding the only way to be sure involves extermination of anyone who doesn't share you vision in the smallest degree...yea.  Put it this way, Richard starts taking his fathers example as a guide, and we start getting 3 page political speeches on Objectivist topics, While knee deep in dead straw socialist usually...even the kids iirc.

[Herr Uhl]

don't bother after 'Faith of the Fallen' imho.  He doesn't do dark very well, the Prince of Thorns series does it better, because it doesn't cause darkness induced apathy, with Sword of Truth it was when Richard decided that anyone who disagreed with him at all was as bad as Jagang that it lost me.  Tearing down the government fine, deciding the only way to be sure involves extermination of anyone who doesn't share you vision in the smallest degree...yea.  Put it this way, Richard starts taking his fathers example as a guide, and we start getting 3 page political speeches on Objectivist topics, While knee deep in dead straw socialist usually...even the kids iirc.

 

I don't know anyone that liked the Sword of Truth series past Blood of the Fold with the straw socialists. I decided to stop the series because of the whole "thou must cheat on thy love and thy love must cheat upon thou to save the world" storyline in Temple of Winds.

 

Prince of Thorns was ok. I think the final antagonist was a bit of a letdown though. I think Lies of Locke Lamorra was good at dark as well.

[andy6915]

 

http://www.scienceda...31203161543.htm

 

A new study by researchers at Washington University, UCLA, and Indiana University found that listeners can accurately determine the relative heights of speakers just by listening to them talk

 

But it's more complicated than just listening to the depth of the voice, because it's just one component of the voice which depends on height

 

Yeah well... That's for humans. Qunari vocal systems might not work like ours. Fictional races are convenient for this sort of thing.

[Schreckstoff]

I don't know anyone that liked the Sword of Truth series past Blood of the Fold with the straw socialists. I decided to stop the series because of the whole "thou must cheat on thy love and thy love must cheat upon thou to save the world" storyline in Temple of Winds.

 

Prince of Thorns was ok. I think the final antagonist was a bit of a letdown though. I think Lies of Locke Lamorra was good at dark as well.

Oh yeah that's exactly were it lost me.

[lady_v23]

I have to say I love Sera's voice.  Specially when she said "don't look up"

[Vilegrim]

I don't know anyone that liked the Sword of Truth series past Blood of the Fold with the straw socialists. I decided to stop the series because of the whole "thou must cheat on thy love and thy love must cheat upon thou to save the world" storyline in Temple of Winds.

 

Prince of Thorns was ok. I think the final antagonist was a bit of a letdown though.

 

 

I just liked Jorge tbh    Yes it did seem to run out of steam a bit, but better that than the mess of Sword of Truth or the 'did you REALLY need 2 books explaining the results of what Rand did' from every single view point ever of the WoT series (which again, kicks SoT so hard it's grandkids will have boot shaped dents in the man zone)

[Burricho]

Have i stumbled into a book club meeting?

[Schreckstoff]

Have i stumbled into a book club meeting?

You don't come across fellow Sword of Truth readers that often.

[Das Tentakel]

You don't come across fellow Sword of Truth readers that often.

 

We are legion, but most of us usually try to hide our secret shame...