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[Dargon Affected]

https://www.youtube....h?v=fCGJACVoMPI

 

who is the elder one?

Fen'harel?

the Maker?

a "super demon"?

or none of the above?

 

discussion on the overall video here.

[Heimdall]

Ancient elf wreaking vengeance across the face of Thedas is my bet.  I'd find that far more interesting than any of the above.  Coming face to face with gods degrades the setting in my view.

[themageguy]

....is going to catch a cold after I use ice spells on it.

[TheJediSaint]

Bad news.

[Swaggerjking]

My bet is an Ancient Tevinter Magister who isn't Coryphues and that is why it has the help of  Tevinter  

[Lexxbomb]

I'm Sure I heard Dorian refer to the Elder one as "It", as in "The Elder One, So this is how It won"

 

I'm guessing it will be a Sentient Dragon (least likely) or some form of Super Demon (my most likely thought)

[andy6915]

Greater pride demon. Calling it again.

 

http://forum.bioware...er-pride-demon/

 

I might have been wrong about it being in the "final DA game" and about some specifics (would need an alliance of previous DA main characters to handle), but I still bet money that a greater pride demon is behind everything. It's powerful enough and arrogant enough to tear open the veil for the hell of it.

[Eudaemonium]

That would make some sense. I mean, heck, it could be Corypheus or even the Architect (since 1 body hops and if the latter is a Magister like the former, I see no reason why Archie couldn't have body-hopped even if you killed him). My bet if a magister would be a new one, though, rather than one of those two. If Corypheus, there's no reason why he's have to be in Larius or Janika's body, since he could have found a new, way more awesome one.

 

Where does this ancient elf theory come from, anyway? Is there actually any genuine info that the whole uthenera thing isn;t just invented by the Dalish to make themselves feel special?

[Oswin]

I honestly thought he said The Elder Wand and got really confused..

The Elder One makes a bit more sense. Probably something I'll have to kill.

[andy6915]

Another, updated thread I made about my guess.

 

http://forum.bioware...mon-showing-up/

 

Seriously, I've been calling it for a while. Will be quite funny if I end up right.

[wcholcombe]

Dorian states in the video that he can reopen the rift.  Obviously he isn't meaning the giant rift or any of the little rifts, I am thinking the ancient one is a bad mojo demon that Alexius brought through using the amulet that you will have to use the amulet to send back through the rift-ie the one dorian is opening at the end of the video.  IE I don't think he is the antagonist for the story, more a side arc.

[Warlock]

I guess it will be someone new. It would be pretty lame imho if we finally meet face to face with "The Elder One", and it's like "Oh. So it's you -insert name of known evil threatening guy-. Why did you change your name? I thought the other one was cooler."

[Lexxbomb]

That would make some sense. I mean, heck, it could be Corypheus or even the Architect (since 1 body hops and if the latter is a Magister like the former, I see no reason why Archie couldn't have body-hopped even if you killed him). My bet if a magister would be a new one, though, rather than one of those two. If Corypheus, there's no reason why he's have to be in Larius or Janika's body, since he could have found a new, way more awesome one.

 

Where does this ancient elf theory come from, anyway? Is there actually any genuine info that the whole uthenera thing isn;t just invented by the Dalish to make themselves feel special?

     

Uthenera - The long sleep or endless dream
http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Uthenera

 

Im sure we explored a site filled with these and even interacted with a couple didn't we in Origins?

[Heimdall]

That would make some sense. I mean, heck, it could be Corypheus or even the Architect (since 1 body hops and if the latter is a Magister like the former, I see no reason why Archie couldn't have body-hopped even if you killed him). My bet if a magister would be a new one, though, rather than one of those two. If Corypheus, there's no reason why he's have to be in Larius or Janika's body, since he could have found a new, way more awesome one.

 

Where does this ancient elf theory come from, anyway? Is there actually any genuine info that the whole uthenera thing isn;t just invented by the Dalish to make themselves feel special?

I pointed out some time ago that there was one heavily tainted individual in the vicinity that survives awakening no matter what: Velanna's sister, Serani

 

Uthenera seems to be genuine, there's evidence of it discussed in Masked Empire, though no hint of the dreamers themselves.

[andy6915]

     

Uthenera - The long sleep or endless dream
http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Uthenera

 

Can't be. Even the ancient elves didn't last forever, elves eventually permanently die in their "long sleep".

[Alan Rickman]

I'd like The Elder One to be a being so beyond our comprehension that if it ever crosses over from the Fade, there is literally nothing anyone could do, no matter how the protagonist always finds a way in games. The only chance of victory is to stop that from happening, and I'm guessing our actual main antagonist is someone actively seeking to release The Elder One, but obviously not as godlike in power. The Elder One should be more akin to a massive natural disaster that dooms the whole world by merely happening, not a mustache twirling villain.

[andy6915]

In case anyone calls doubt on my last post...

 

http://dragonage.wik...entry:_Uthenera

 

"To the ancient elves who existed during the time of Arlathan, uthenera was an act of reverence. Elves did not age. They were not immortal, but they did not suffer from deterioration of mind or body. They suffered only from a deterioration of the spirit.

 

It did not happen often, but the oldest of the elves were said to reach a point where they became weary of life. Memories became too much to bear, and rather than fade into complacency, they voluntarily stood aside to let newer generations guide their people.

 

Uthenera means "the long sleep," in which the elder would retire to a chamber that was one part bed and one part tomb. To great ceremony from all the extended family, the elder would succumb to a slumber from which they would not wake for centuries, and often never. In time, the body would deteriorate and the elder would die in truth. All the while, family would continue to visit the chamber to pay respect to one who made such a great sacrifice.

 

With the arrival of humans and the quickening of elven blood that ensued, the practice of uthenera began to fade. When Arlathan fell, it ceased forever."

[andy6915]

I'd like The Elder One to be a being so beyond our comprehension that if it ever crosses over from the Fade, there is literally nothing anyone could do, no matter how the protagonist always finds a way in games. The only chance of victory is to stop that from happening, and I'm guessing our actual main antagonist is someone actively seeking that goal, but obviously not as godlike in power. The Elder One should be more akin to a massive natural disaster that dooms the whole world by merely happening, not a mustache twirling villain.

 

Which a greater pride demon is. Codex time, pulled from my threads about that idea.

 

http://dragonage.wik...onic_Possession

"A greater pride demon, brought across the veil, would threaten the entire world."

[Beerfish]

It's Keith Richards

[MstrJedi Kyle]

It's a Reaper.

[andy6915]

By the way, that last link also says pride demons are the only ones who can actually bring and command other demons with them through the veil. Seeing as the whole of Thedus is under a demon siege the likes of which have never been seen before... A greater pride demon being behind everything is even more likely.

 

"It is they who seek most strongly to possess mages, and will bring other demons across the Veil in numbers to achieve their own ends—although what that might be has never been discovered."

[Dargon Affected]

Uthenera was a way for the "old" elves to make way for the younger ones. while it is true that after a while their physical bodies deteriorated we aren't given a time frame for how quickly that happens or how long it takes to start. also an elder who does enter uthenera can exit it safely.

[andy6915]

Uthenera was a way for the "old" elves to make way for the younger ones. while it is true that after a while their physical bodies deteriorated we aren't given a time frame for how quickly that happens or how long it takes to start. also an elder who does enter uthenera can exit it safely.

It's been too long for anything of any elder to be left. This isn't like Javik or something, it's not air tight and the elder elf isn't frozen. Any elf who entered that centuries ago or even thousands of years ago will be dust by now.

[Heimdall]

It's been too long for anything of any elder to be left. This isn't like Javik or something, it's not air tight and the elder elf isn't frozen. Any elf who entered that centuries ago or even thousands of years ago will be dust by now.

Not if they woke up before their body deteriorated and they didn't lose their immortality.  Besides, we don't know how long it takes an elder's body to deteriorate.  Additionally, they could have taken precautions to maintain their body.  Magic can apparently do such a thing.  Avernus didn't exactly have access to a grocery while he was cooped up in that tower for all those years.

[Warlock]

Which a greater pride demon is. Codex time, pulled from my threads about that idea.

 

http://dragonage.wik...onic_Possession

"A greater pride demon, brought across the veil, would threaten the entire world."

 

I think you're reading too much into the codex. I interpret it as a greater pride demon threatening the entire world because of the resources it can muster and not because of its mere presence/existence. A greater pride demon would be, imo, more akin to, say, a really cunning/crafty/manipulating blood mage, pulling strings to make ends meet, and not to, say, a massive hurricane, killing thousands just by passing by. Which is more akin to what JobacNoor was alluding to.