Ah, the dread Wolf. Could be a good guess. He apparently managed to trap the entirety of the elven god hierarchy in another universe. But... He also chewed his tail off and ran like a wuss from a simple Mabari, according to Merrill's tale of him. So he's super impressive sometimes, super not impressive other time.
She asscoites herself has female is the thing, and the elder one is being talked about has an it.
Unless her true forum is genderless, always thought she had some sort of different demon in her and they become something different and melded, or she is honestly an eold god.
My theory is that she is the god who tricked the magisters, who lured them to destroy the home of elves. And that she since then has been changing bodies all over the world through decades, she is possible one of the elven gods as well, and probably Andraste. So in reality, its a demon who has possessed Andraste, who is now Flemeth.
I wrote an article about it, but it was written a year ago or so, and not on this forum.
I'm not, I'm basing it off of every demon we've ever encountered in game. Every single one of them has been hellbent on executing and pursuing a single idea.
Doesn't matter. Stop bringing it up. The general trend doesn't exclude other possibilities.
Imshael killed the clan because they imprisoned him, there's nothing complex about that.
Yes there is. It means that he's capable of revenge. Revenge implies capacity for feelings, not just imitation of them.
Beyond that, he only follows through mortal choices hoping they lead to interesting conclusions and mayhem. He's inhuman, but not complex. His particular predation (choice) may be somewhat more nuanced than the average rage/desire/pride demon, but that's all he is, a predator obsessed with a single idea like any other demon we've encountered or heard of.
You don't know what his goal is. Killing Fellesan doesn't fit your theory of mayhem. It doesn't result in that. It's because of something else.
A demon can only ever embody an aspect of mortal thought. The complex whole is what I'm interested in.
You're still saying that like it's gospel, but it's not. It was stated multiple times by developer, that the lore we know is not the lore that is. Here's my proposition. If a demon embodied more than one emotion, then it would be complex, and as someone who just read the Masked Empire, I can tell you with confidence that Imshael is complex. It is heavily implied throughout the book. But guessing that this won't change your mind to admit the possibility of complex demons existing, let's agree to disagree and we'll see who was right when the game releases.
Yes there is. It means that he's capable of revenge. Revenge implies capacity for feelings, not just imitation of them.
Feelings don't make a difference to instinct. It matter not that they have feeling. Do human hunter have feeling for the animals they kill to eat?
Wellll I guess the masked empire has now been spoiled.
We don't know who kill the guy.
Doesn't matter. Stop bringing it up. The general trend doesn't exclude other possibilities.
The "general trend" has born out the only definition of demons we have been given. It doesn't exclude deviations, but neither have there been any deviations to be excluded.
Yes there is. It means that he's capable of revenge. Revenge implies capacity for feelings, not just imitation of them.
Who says demons don't have feeling? I never did. Demons, however, restrict themselves to a very narrow range concerning the idea they have chosen to embody. Their goals and desires are entirely focused on fulfilling those ideas. Let me be more clear, he killed the clan because they chose to imprison him and Michel chose to free him. He was simply creating the consequence of choice. I don't recall him attaching any particular malice or anger to his actions.
You don't know what his goal is. Killing Fellesan doesn't fit your theory of mayhem. It doesn't result in that. It's because of something else.
We don't know what killed Felassan. I find it unlikely that it was Imshael. He seemed quite surprised when Felassan intimated the coming chaos, certainly not like he was involved in the plan. Personally I think it was a Dreamer. (An aside, that ancient elf idea of mine may not require bodily resurrection. We know mortal spirits can become stuck in the Fade after their body dies, see Niall in Origins. An Ancient Dreamer might be manipulating events from within the Fade) Until we can say otherwise, the incident is irrelevant.
You're still saying that like it's gospel, but it's not. It was stated multiple times by developer, that the lore we know is not the lore that is. Here's my proposition. If a demon embodied more than one emotion, then it would be complex, and as someone who just read the Masked Empire, I can tell you with confidence that Imshael is complex. It is heavily implied throughout the book. But guessing that this won't change your mind to admit the possibility of complex demons existing, let's agree to disagree and we'll see who was right when the game releases.
Imshael is not complex, the idea he ascribes to himself can be. You're mixing the two up. All Felassan had to do was dangle the possibility of future chaos in front of him and Imshael was happy to go along his merry way. Knowing there's more to the lore than we know isn't the same as assuming the lore we know is wrong. I'm going off the information we have, not speculation.
Since it's a Magister talking, he could be referring to Corypheus who would be an elder magister.
Or maybe an ancient elf that survived by devouring Fad energies.
What if the Elder One is the darkness that killed both humans and elves in the memories of the trapped elf who teachs us the Arcane Warrior specialization?
Hence "How It won".
I just hope it's not a Cthulu-like entity or something. This trope seems a bit overplayed in games recently. We don't need fantasy Reapers or WoW-like Old Gods.
What if the Elder One is the darkness that killed both humans and elves in the memories of the trapped elf who teachs us the Arcane Warrior specialization?
Hence "How It won".
I'm think that too. I think it has some connection to the unbounded and the elven gods and the old gods/forgotten ones.
I just hope it's not a Cthulu-like entity or something. This trope seems a bit overplayed in games recently. We don't need fantasy Reapers or WoW-like Old Gods.
With the name elder one, it already is a cthulu like entity.
It might just be an elder dragon.
We have high dragons, greater dragons (from the comics) and now elder dragons.
With the name elder one, it already is a cthulu like entity.
It's possible, but not certain. It could refer to several things.
It's possible, but not certain. It could refer to several things.
Not certain....It's coming from the fade rip. It's certain.
Probably Flemeth, considering she is literally an Elder One.
Not certain....It's coming from the fade rip. It's certain.
I don't understand the reasoning. The Fade is where demons hang out. Why does it 100% mean that the Elder One is a Cthulu ripoff? It could be an Elven mage, a Tevinter magister, or several fused in once consciousness or whatnot, Flemeth or something along her lines, or just a big red herring too.
It's fiona who found a way to travel through time and saved the elves, became andraste, the maker and theirin, becoming both alistar's mother and his grandgrandpa (she also grew a penis because she can do it, she can do it all)
Holy crap, we get it, you think it's a pride demon. Christ.
I am currently having the Theory about it being an untainted elder God. You know, the Ones that were being worshipped in Tevinter and the ones that tricked the old Magisters like Corypheus to attempt to take the golden (in truth black) City. I however base this Theory solely on the fact that at the end of the "fires above" trailer it looked like that one dragon came from the Breach.
I don't understand the reasoning. The Fade is where demons hang out. Why does it 100% mean that the Elder One is a Cthulu ripoff? It could be an Elven mage, a Tevinter magister, or several fused in once consciousness or whatnot, Flemeth or something along her lines, or just a big red herring too.
Look up the unbounded and you see what I mean. The Fade is older then elven culture.
We don't know much about either,Look up the unbounded and you see what I mean. The Fade is older then elven culture.
I'm the one who thinks that the breach is cause by a war between the maker and the old gods?
and the elder one is in fact imshael?
Gods are being thrown around willy nilly as possible culprits. I think its a terrible idea. I hate D&D settings because of the way they treat gods. I like DA and similar fantasy worlds because gods aren't an active force in the world, corrupted old gods aside, and their nature (including their very existence) is unclear. I want a mortal antagonist, with mortal motives. "Stopping the ancient evil" is a drab plot by itself. There's a reason people consider Loghain the antagonist of Origins rather than the Archdemon.I'm the one who thinks that the breach is cause by a war between the maker and the old gods?
and the elder one is in fact imshael?
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